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More Dungeons for Intermediate Random Queue

polaris1986polaris1986 Member Posts: 320 Arc User
in Player Feedback (PC)
Hello. We have a problem, in 90% cases in middle queue we join Merchant Prince's Folly. or Gambit. or any other skirmish.

Please stop this madness. I'm fed of this.

Only with 10th time I got a Dungeon. Dungeons in this queue have a very little chance.

Check it.

One more problem.
Every time i play for healer, i got a party full with supports on skirmish.
Today there were a 3 DC and 2 OP classes in Merchant. Always in skirmishes the same problem. You have a party of supports or a party without any supp class if you play for DPS.

Its broken and should be fixed.
"sometimes the world doesn't need another hero, sometimes what it needs is a monster"

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  • greywyndgreywynd Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 7,158 Arc User
    Skirmishes don't adhere to party build requirements.
    I'm not looking for forgiveness, and I'm way past asking permission. Earth just lost her best defender, so we're here to fight. And if you want to stand in our way, we'll fight you too.
  • ilithynilithyn Member Posts: 452 Arc User
    edited September 2018
    @greywynd Neither does dungeons anymore, if my experiences last weekend is anything to go by. I ended up in Castle Never twice. I play an OP and both times there was another OP in the party. One run had a DC in it and two CWs, the other two HRs and a SW.
    I pugged it btw.
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  • greywyndgreywynd Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 7,158 Arc User
    OP can be tank or healer. Not sure how you can end up with 2 OP and a DC in public queue.
    I'm not looking for forgiveness, and I'm way past asking permission. Earth just lost her best defender, so we're here to fight. And if you want to stand in our way, we'll fight you too.
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  • greywyndgreywynd Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 7,158 Arc User
    Random for you. Not random for people queuing directly.
    I'm not looking for forgiveness, and I'm way past asking permission. Earth just lost her best defender, so we're here to fight. And if you want to stand in our way, we'll fight you too.
  • chivonicachivonica Member Posts: 97 Arc User
    Random queue is not so random. WAI I believe.
  • chivonicachivonica Member Posts: 97 Arc User
    edited September 2018
    To add further, I play RIQ a lot lot lot lot on different characters...... I find it fun. Most times its in the role of DC and there have been times when I do not receive the healer bonus. I think mostly this is when the group doesn't perceive me as a healer as I'm in a buff/debuff roll to quicken things up and the OP tank does more healing then me lol. Just my observations/guess. I have never been with another DC in any dungeon (not skirmish unless MPF is one) but its interesting to know this happens.
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  • polaris1986polaris1986 Member Posts: 320 Arc User
    greywynd said:

    Skirmishes don't adhere to party build requirements.

    yes, do you want to say that there weren't any DPS class in queue when I accent it?
    So why when I run by my HR or SW - I got skirmish without any DC or OP?

    Also I can say that in case of GF - most possibly to get party with some DPS.

    Since we dont play random queue often, every day on any class there a Merchant shirmish.
    Castle Never goes rarely and I don't remember dungeons as CC or GWD.

    For me RIQ became a bored thing.

    for DC-OP random party any skirmish becoming a too long, and in fact I dont play my healer role.
    in full DPS party skirmish becoming too hard because no buffs and no heals receives. With party of 9-12 IL. its a problem.

    there have been times when I do not receive the healer bonus.


    Hah, Seems I have it too))) When I look in queue, it searching for Healer Role. and I joing queue as DC but... some time else it still search for Healer))))) Not me, its like "Wow, Queue doesn't consider me as Healer"
    my guild tells "We also dont consider you as Healer".

    But in the end usually I got role's bonus. Just funny.
    "sometimes the world doesn't need another hero, sometimes what it needs is a monster"

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  • polaris1986polaris1986 Member Posts: 320 Arc User
    btw you get a free salvage drop without using any key


    what? in MPF usually no salvage.

    And of course I want a _variety_ thats because I joing RIQ. And Random Queues are MUST be different.
    in Intermediant queue most time you joing MPF
    and in Expert Q - everyone run only To9G.

    I wish dont know what I will run.

    Maybe Cryptics should add penalty for leaving ANY party in any Queue? Not for "LFP for EQ. Only To9G"
    "sometimes the world doesn't need another hero, sometimes what it needs is a monster"

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  • mystar#5733 mystar
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    greywynd said:

    Random for you. Not random for people queuing directly.


    Nice simple answer and fairly easy to understand, but
    just to clarify my understanding of how I was thinking the queues worked...

    when I queue directly, the game is looking for a party to build from both the direct queue and the random queue. So if more people are in direct queue for certain dungeons or skirmishes when we queue for randoms then it's likely we're going to be getting a lot of the same dungeons or skirmishes in the random queue during that time?
  • dupeksdupeks Member Posts: 1,789 Arc User
    mystar#5733 said:

    when I queue directly, the game is looking for a party to build from both the direct queue and the random queue. So if more people are in direct queue for certain dungeons or skirmishes when we queue for randoms then it's likely we're going to be getting a lot of the same dungeons or skirmishes in the random queue during that time?

    That's correct based on my understanding of the new queue system.

    It builds groups pulling both from random and direct queues, so if direct queues are heavily biased towards some content then random queues will pull in the same direction.

    This was a big problem at the start for PC, but over time in my experience the intermediate queue leveled out a bit (I suspect fewer folks queuing directly for IG and MPF over time).
  • polaris1986polaris1986 Member Posts: 320 Arc User
    edited September 2018
    They were faster and have implemented this awesome feature long ago. Since end of June it's an account wide penalty.


    nope, in privat queue you will not have a penalty.

    It builds groups pulling both from random and direct queues


    Im not sure that someone going to Magnat or Gambit with 2 OP in party or even OP/DC togeter.
    its easy with 1 DC and some DPS.

    Also Im not sure that there weren't any DPS in queue, so system had to assemble 3DC and 2 OP together.
    I think its an error.

    And anyway for system more possibly accept a skirmish than dungeon with special requirements.
    "sometimes the world doesn't need another hero, sometimes what it needs is a monster"

  • empalasempalas Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 804 Arc User
    The skirmishes definitely don't hold the rule of tank and healer. I've seen all 5 be dps in MPF, Gambit and others. When I get the dungeons(which seem to be popping more lately) I have begun asking if anyone had queued directly for it and when I've asked there was at least someone who wasn't random. I have a feeling at that point it tries to fill those parties first with people from random.
  • greywyndgreywynd Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 7,158 Arc User
    empalas said:

    The skirmishes definitely don't hold the rule of tank and healer. I've seen all 5 be dps in MPF, Gambit and others. When I get the dungeons(which seem to be popping more lately) I have begun asking if anyone had queued directly for it and when I've asked there was at least someone who wasn't random. I have a feeling at that point it tries to fill those parties first with people from random.

    Skirmishes do not have party-build requirements. That is what sets them off from dungeons.

    Random queue fills in holes of groups that direct queue for content.
    I'm not looking for forgiveness, and I'm way past asking permission. Earth just lost her best defender, so we're here to fight. And if you want to stand in our way, we'll fight you too.
  • kiraskytowerkiraskytower Member Posts: 455 Arc User
    I find that if you put together a party of 5 with 1 "Tank", 1 "Healer" and 3 "DPS" and join the random queue as a group you are more likely to get a dungeon than if you just join the Random Intermediate Queue solo, but even this is not guaranteed as you can still draw one of the Trials like Tiamat if people are queued for it.
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  • callumf#9018 callumf
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         Member Posts: 1,710 Arc User
    Yeah I ran a skirmish the other night [MPF] as part of RIQ and it was my GF and 4 GWFs - we smashed it to pieces in a few minutes [it seemed like]
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