um no... its already taking me forever to get to 500k AD and the zen trade is dead no one ever sells Zen in neverwinter. I'll just have to keep doing randoms for 1k AD a run until I can upgrade my companion and hope its enough to do SOMETHING in the game. take a few years... maybe by the time I do another expansion will come out and I can do something else. epic mount? that's not even in the cards for me... price keeps going up weekly. and I'll never get VIP cause I"m not paying real money... which is the only way now that the zen exchange is long dead.
Zen trade is not dead. You just need to wait. People are selling Zen but you can't see that in exchange because it will be taken right the way. Put your buy order in and wait. Your waiting time is usually 1 million backlog per day. The current backlog is about 20 million. i.e. if you put your buy order in today, you need to wait for ~20 days.
I have had a 500AD buy for Zen sitting in the auction going on 4 weeks now. When do we get to call the system broke? 5 weeks, 6, 7, 8?
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greywyndMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 7,150Arc User
What was the backlog when you put the order in?
I'm not looking for forgiveness, and I'm way past asking permission. Earth just lost her best defender, so we're here to fight. And if you want to stand in our way, we'll fight you too.
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plasticbatMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 12,400Arc User
um no... its already taking me forever to get to 500k AD and the zen trade is dead no one ever sells Zen in neverwinter. I'll just have to keep doing randoms for 1k AD a run until I can upgrade my companion and hope its enough to do SOMETHING in the game. take a few years... maybe by the time I do another expansion will come out and I can do something else. epic mount? that's not even in the cards for me... price keeps going up weekly. and I'll never get VIP cause I"m not paying real money... which is the only way now that the zen exchange is long dead.
Zen trade is not dead. You just need to wait. People are selling Zen but you can't see that in exchange because it will be taken right the way. Put your buy order in and wait. Your waiting time is usually 1 million backlog per day. The current backlog is about 20 million. i.e. if you put your buy order in today, you need to wait for ~20 days.
I have had a 500AD buy for Zen sitting in the auction going on 4 weeks now. When do we get to call the system broke? 5 weeks, 6, 7, 8?
Check the log and find out exactly when you put your buy in. I bet it was not 4 week (28 days) ago. By the way, you asked the wrong guy regarding when the system broke. My longest wait in the past was about 4 months and I did not call it broke back then. I know I cannot be the norm.
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Beginning of august started tracking...didn't keep the backlog until the last few. want to say it was 6-8 mil for first half of august. So 16 days at beginning of september. Right now guessing around 3 weeks(21 days)
Using legendary mount as a benchmark is just misleading.
I sell all sort of low end stuff daily and I noticed the price of my items were dropped. I am not saying what I noticed has any relationship with rAD refinement cap. However, the price of legendary mount is even less related to the AD supplies.
I am also watching the price of various middle tier stuff. That also had slightly drop.
Again, what I noticed probably had no relationship with rAD refinement cap effect. Probably, just a simple supply and demand effect.
By the way, rAD refinement cap does not decrease rAD supply. It increases rAD supply from those who plays less than 3 characters. i.e. those who had 72000 or less cap before. That may be a bigger population than those who has more than 2 characters.
The items in game have dropped because people have less AD and when in a recession in the real world they buy more lower cost goods and services and cut those that they don't need. Anything you make or is created in game that can be easily created in game from grinding on their own should expect to see a drop in price. Anything that only drops in special circumstances should expect to go up. This is why the legendary mounts might not be that bad of a way to track the inflation due to the the limits on how to obtain them. If fewer people are opening legendary mounts because of potentially less keys opened then we should expect fewer legendary mounts to be selling in game. The demand for them and their usefulness hasn't changed.
Guild Leader: Under the Influence Yule (Barb): 72k : Siren (TR): 78k : Torun (DC): 73k : Siren OP (OP): 76k : Siren SW (SW): 78k : Modern (F): 80k : Cherry1 (CW) : 68k Siren HR (HR): 78k
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klangeddinMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 882Arc User
edited September 2018
The 100k per account limt was a good thing, the alt armies had to be stopped as they favored a playstyle over another, without any reason. It was not even about the supply of AD in the economy, it was just unfair that people who enjoyed that playstyle got so more AD per day than people who would not. I have never seen any other MMORPG that rewards so much having an alt of armies. It seriously looked like a short-sighted attempt to sell as many character slots as possible. This is something that should have been done in mod 1, not mod 13.
There is also a problem with AD sinks not being effective because they cost too much or because they can be avoided entirely. Guild AD sink is bypassed by leadership. (and this one is still multiplied by ALT armies, hopefully they fix this in next mod) AH AD sink is lessened by VIP. Cosmetic AD sinks are too expensive, so their usage is limited. (5k AD for a one-time item appearence change, you're going to go for the sure shot, you won't experiment around with multiple looks with that kind price) Companions AD sinks can be even more stupid at a certain point (5k AD for a companion name change?? lol). Feat change AD sink is no longer convenient since the introduction of Loadouts. At this point it's just a tax for misclick, at best. Stuff in the AD bazaar is mostly bypassed by the AH, with lesser price (and much lesser AD sink, since it's only a percentage vs the 100% sink that the bazaar should have).
On the other hand, with Zen you still get the best services/QoL features the game has to offer. Surely, there's the AH route, but guess where those bags and campaign tokens in the AH come from? Right.
You want the backlog to go down, give people reasons to engage in AD sinks.
1) Remove the leadership task and reduce the AD requirements for guild. 2) Reduce the AD costs for the cosmetic stuff and other nonsense like companion renaming. 3) Give people reason to use the AD bazaar. Put USEFUL stuff there that can't be traded and does not drop anywhere else, that's the only safe way to have a 100% AD sink that will work. If the stuff from AD bazaar drops elsewhere, it will go on the AH at a lower price instead, and that will sink much less AD from the economy. Not rocket science.
Of course then there would be the solution of just removing the cap from the ZAX and letting the price fluctuate to its real equilibrium price. This would also give us a better insight on the state of the economy, but as George Carlin once said "We don't have time for rational solutions".
Well, as mentioned before in several threads on this topic, the "100k per account limt" is going to end up as another useless AD limitation "tool", those players with "alt armies" allready moved from 1 account with several alts to several accounts with 1 alt. The Devs announced that new AD limitation early enough to give those kind of players time to rebuild their armies... and looking at the ZAX, it appears that's what they did.
The more things change, the more they stay the same...
Besides, why would the persons in charge here be interested in a low ZAX, when a massively backlogged ZAX in combination with the flood of new coupons is probably driving the ZEN sales outside of promotion times? And removing the AD cap on the ZAX would probably destroy it for new players, or those without access to "unlimited" amounts of AD, and that would probably chase away more and more players in the end. If you aim for killing the game in the long run, then yes, this would be a possible "solution" for this "problem".
Anyway, this problem is "homemade", all they actually have to do is give us options worth spending AD and ZEN on. But they removed Class Packs and gave us trash like Adventurer Packs instead... go figure.
I agree with the poster. I have 8 toons and play them all, all the time. I also upgrade them all the time so that they all are capable of doing all the content. Since the limit was implemented I have lost all motivation to even play this game.
I've got 9 toons; am not a "casual" player nor am I a grinder/seller/trader. I play when I can. I've got millions of RAD as well; thank god because I take AMF vacations and only have to log on for the 30 seconds it takes to refine them and bank them during vacation. Since the 100k limit implementation i play all of them more than i ever did before because I was so discouraged by being limited to 36k a day and having to save 3x longer on any given toon to buy whatever it is i wanted to buy. I respectfully disagree with you and with the original poster. my 2 cents.
I've got 9 toons; am not a "casual" player nor am I a grinder/seller/trader. I play when I can. I've got millions of RAD as well; thank god because I take AMF vacations and only have to log on for the 30 seconds it takes to refine them and bank them during vacation. Since the 100k limit implementation i play all of them more than i ever did before because I was so discouraged by being limited to 36k a day and having to save 3x longer on any given toon to buy whatever it is i wanted to buy. I respectfully disagree with you and with the original poster. my 2 cents.
I'm a little confused by your statement. You say that you were "so discouraged by being limited to 36k a day and having to save 3x longer on any given toon to buy whatever it is i wanted to buy".
But you also say you have 9 toons. That means before you actually had the capacity to refine 36k per 9 toons for a total of 324k AD a day you could refine. Now you can refine 100k. That seems more limited to me than before.
I'm a little confused by your statement. You say that you were "so discouraged by being limited to 36k a day and having to save 3x longer on any given toon to buy whatever it is i wanted to buy".
But you also say you have 9 toons. That means before you actually had the capacity to refine 36k per 9 toons for a total of 324k AD a day you could refine. Now you can refine 100k. That seems more limited to me than before.
36k x 1 = 36k, per day, per character. if something costs 360k it takes 10 days for that toon to get it. 100k x 1 = 100k, per day, per account. if something costs 360k it takes 4 days for that toon to get it.
is that OCD? maybe so. but I find i don't need/want to buy things for every toon every 10 days. now i can focus on a particular toon as i like, get the things i need/want a little quicker, and move onto things for another toon after i'm satisfied with the progress on the first one.
additionally, i didn't like to spend the first (and maybe only) 2 hours i play the game doing Randoms, invoking, and taking care of professions in order to get the "36k" per day, on each and every toon. was/am i playing too many toons? to each their own. i would rather take a toon out, do the randoms, do an invoke cycle and run through the profession tree...all of which takes maybe 45 minutes if i don't do a RAQ.
playing only 2 hrs a day then gives me time to play different characters in different areas or different dungeons, go through zones getting boons, and i don't have to worry about "omg did i get my 36k with this guy today?"
people have different tastes and playstyles. yours and mine are different, and though i understand you and others like you feel frustrated by the 100k artificial cap, there are players like me who aren't and actually welcome it.
@slyngshot I believe she was referring to how you could move refined AD around, even before it was in the bank. It's not about "taking 10 days to buy the 360k item" instead of 4 days, it's about taking *1* day to buy the 360K item because you refine 36k on each of 10 toons and throw all the AD into a single pile.
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plasticbatMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 12,400Arc User
36k x 1 = 36k, per day, per character. if something costs 360k it takes 10 days for that toon to get it.
I am not sure you understand. 1. You can pull all the AD from various toons to one toon. You can do that now and you could do that before. 2. You can pass salvage from one toon to another toon to take advantage of AD bonus. You can do that now and you could do that before. 3. If you wanted to play only one toon (A), you could pass all the salvage from A to others so that your toon A could refine more than 36K it "earned" in the past. 4. Technically, you didn't even need to wait for one day at all because you could refine 360K (for 10 toon) and pooled into one toon on the same day.
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The problem started at the beginning of the game when packs were sold that allowed unlimited alts to gain AD and compounded when you could get AD from Invoking.
Easy Peasy for a player that has been playing over 2 years. Not so easy for a casual player that doesn't have anything upgraded,or all the boons done
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adinosiiMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 4,294Arc User
My guess is that there has been a significant increase in the number of players converting Zen to AD not by going through the exchange, but by buying items and selling.....something which makes the backlog worse.
Let's say you get a "20% off anything" or a "20% off any refinement item" voucher. You use that to buy a coalescent ward for 800 AD. Let's say you sell it for 488888AD. That gives you (after AH cut) 440.000 AD - 40.000 more than if you had converted your 800 Zen straight to AD. Who is going to refuse 40K extra AD?
Now, many of the players doing this may decide to keep the 40K profit and convert 400.000AD back into Zen, placing a buy order for 800 Zen which will just add to the backlog.
Let's say you get a "20% off anything" or a "20% off any refinement item" voucher. You use that to buy a coalescent ward for 800 AD. Let's say you sell it for 488888AD. That gives you (after AH cut) 440.000 AD - 40.000 more than if you had converted your 800 Zen straight to AD. Who is going to refuse 40K extra AD?
*raises hand* That's too much work for me when I want AD from my Zen. Seriously. I really am that lazy and impatient. LOL
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plasticbatMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 12,400Arc User
Let's say you get a "20% off anything" or a "20% off any refinement item" voucher. You use that to buy a coalescent ward for 800 AD. Let's say you sell it for 488888AD. That gives you (after AH cut) 440.000 AD - 40.000 more than if you had converted your 800 Zen straight to AD. Who is going to refuse 40K extra AD?
*raises hand* That's too much work for me when I want AD from my Zen. Seriously. I really am that lazy and impatient. LOL
I am slightly different. I am patient. Hence, I have no problem with the backlog. I am lazy. Hence, I do not earn 40K that way.
*** The game can read your mind. If you want it, you won't get it. If you don't expect to get it, you will. ***
Well, as mentioned before in several threads on this topic, the "100k per account limt" is going to end up as another useless AD limitation "tool", those players with "alt armies" allready moved from 1 account with several alts to several accounts with 1 alt.
I'm sure there are ppl doing this, but the real issue was the recently fixed hunt bug allowing these people to fill up on rad easily on these accounts. We can only hope that they are working diligently to strip all of the RAD/AD that was gained from this bug.
These bugs have damaged the NW economy and therefore us players.
Poor Rhix the kobold, trying to be merchant dealing with AD and quest giver.
here my idea, add CTA events to Rhix, go see him and he might give some AD or other prestige prizes, once per day, any repeats during CTA events are not part of Rhix's business. he deal once a day.
think of Rhix as "upgraded" run for CTA events, and any repeat runs are standard rewards as before. he would become CTA director/Arena director. Not to be confused as Mad wizard's IG which rewards for companion gears.
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By the way, you asked the wrong guy regarding when the system broke.
My longest wait in the past was about 4 months and I did not call it broke back then. I know I cannot be the norm.
So 16 days at beginning of september.
Right now guessing around 3 weeks(21 days)
amount / order date/ filled date/ backlog
100 2-Aug 10-Aug
100 4-Aug 12-Aug
300 8-Aug 17-Aug
100 10-Aug 19-Aug
100 10-Aug 19-Aug
200 11-Aug 20-Aug
100 15-Aug 26-Aug
200 17-Aug 30-Aug
200 20-Aug 31-Aug
200 23-Aug 2-Sep
400 27-Aug 7-Sep backlog 14 mil
200 31-Aug 15-Sep backlog 14.7 mil
400 2-Sep backlog 14.7 mil
400 7-Sep backlog 16.6 mil
400 11-Sep backlog 18.97 mil
400 18-Sep backlog 22.2 mil
Yule (Barb): 72k : Siren (TR): 78k : Torun (DC): 73k : Siren OP (OP): 76k : Siren SW (SW): 78k : Modern (F): 80k : Cherry1 (CW) : 68k Siren HR (HR): 78k
There is also a problem with AD sinks not being effective because they cost too much or because they can be avoided entirely.
Guild AD sink is bypassed by leadership. (and this one is still multiplied by ALT armies, hopefully they fix this in next mod)
AH AD sink is lessened by VIP.
Cosmetic AD sinks are too expensive, so their usage is limited. (5k AD for a one-time item appearence change, you're going to go for the sure shot, you won't experiment around with multiple looks with that kind price)
Companions AD sinks can be even more stupid at a certain point (5k AD for a companion name change?? lol).
Feat change AD sink is no longer convenient since the introduction of Loadouts. At this point it's just a tax for misclick, at best.
Stuff in the AD bazaar is mostly bypassed by the AH, with lesser price (and much lesser AD sink, since it's only a percentage vs the 100% sink that the bazaar should have).
On the other hand, with Zen you still get the best services/QoL features the game has to offer.
Surely, there's the AH route, but guess where those bags and campaign tokens in the AH come from? Right.
You want the backlog to go down, give people reasons to engage in AD sinks.
1) Remove the leadership task and reduce the AD requirements for guild.
2) Reduce the AD costs for the cosmetic stuff and other nonsense like companion renaming.
3) Give people reason to use the AD bazaar. Put USEFUL stuff there that can't be traded and does not drop anywhere else, that's the only safe way to have a 100% AD sink that will work. If the stuff from AD bazaar drops elsewhere, it will go on the AH at a lower price instead, and that will sink much less AD from the economy. Not rocket science.
Of course then there would be the solution of just removing the cap from the ZAX and letting the price fluctuate to its real equilibrium price. This would also give us a better insight on the state of the economy, but as George Carlin once said "We don't have time for rational solutions".
The Devs announced that new AD limitation early enough to give those kind of players time to rebuild their armies... and looking at the ZAX, it appears that's what they did.
The more things change, the more they stay the same...
Besides, why would the persons in charge here be interested in a low ZAX, when a massively backlogged ZAX in combination with the flood of new coupons is probably driving the ZEN sales outside of promotion times?
And removing the AD cap on the ZAX would probably destroy it for new players, or those without access to "unlimited" amounts of AD, and that would probably chase away more and more players in the end.
If you aim for killing the game in the long run, then yes, this would be a possible "solution" for this "problem".
Anyway, this problem is "homemade", all they actually have to do is give us options worth spending AD and ZEN on. But they removed Class Packs and gave us trash like Adventurer Packs instead... go figure.
But you also say you have 9 toons. That means before you actually had the capacity to refine 36k per 9 toons for a total of 324k AD a day you could refine. Now you can refine 100k. That seems more limited to me than before.
1. You can pull all the AD from various toons to one toon. You can do that now and you could do that before.
2. You can pass salvage from one toon to another toon to take advantage of AD bonus. You can do that now and you could do that before.
3. If you wanted to play only one toon (A), you could pass all the salvage from A to others so that your toon A could refine more than 36K it "earned" in the past.
4. Technically, you didn't even need to wait for one day at all because you could refine 360K (for 10 toon) and pooled into one toon on the same day.
Let's say you get a "20% off anything" or a "20% off any refinement item" voucher. You use that to buy a coalescent ward for 800 AD. Let's say you sell it for 488888AD. That gives you (after AH cut) 440.000 AD - 40.000 more than if you had converted your 800 Zen straight to AD. Who is going to refuse 40K extra AD?
Now, many of the players doing this may decide to keep the 40K profit and convert 400.000AD back into Zen, placing a buy order for 800 Zen which will just add to the backlog.
I am lazy. Hence, I do not earn 40K that way.
These bugs have damaged the NW economy and therefore us players.
here my idea, add CTA events to Rhix, go see him and he might give some AD or other prestige prizes, once per day, any repeats during CTA events are not part of Rhix's business. he deal once a day.
think of Rhix as "upgraded" run for CTA events, and any repeat runs are standard rewards as before. he would become CTA director/Arena director.
Not to be confused as Mad wizard's IG which rewards for companion gears.