You still dont get it, dont you? I dont play PVP in this game since 2-3 years now - cos its broken, unrewarding and not fun at all. And belive me - In other games I loved pvp but this game have simply nothing to offer from my point of view.
And my pvp denial and your baby crying have the same source - pvp in this game is broken. And its broken beyond repair. I even start to think that it was never really thought through by de devs. That they never really get any serious idea on how it should work. They just put it here and sice MOD 3 (open pvp) left abandoned. And years of indolency, and mentioned lack of vision lead to that point we are in now.
Today you cry becouse of GFs and TRs, next mode SWs and HRs would be to hard for you (or mayby you gona be lucky and your class will become overpowered). And that wheel of fortune wont end - ever. Every new MOD or class rework just make another turn of that wheel. As long as devs wont rework it from the very basics with full divide on pvp and pve side. Untill then nothing will change.
And no, most of the player and what is more important the devs dont give a hamster about you or those few remining players being ripped by TRs and GFs - no1 will sacrifice a PVE for long time dead PVP here. I know is sounds hard - but at least I am honest here. You of course may choose to lie yourself, you can still waist your positive energy on that lost caouse. I dont mind - its your time and effort.
But remeber that - PVP in this game is in some kind of a sick stalemate - no1 want to play PVP because its broken - devs dont fix it because no1 want to play it.
And worst part is that Neverwinter already have the opinion of a game with broken PVP or even non existing PVP. Now can you imagine how much time, effort and money would it take to bring a PVP in this game to the level that it would not only be fun for current players but would also attract a new one? A lot. And if we take into consideration that this game is not even full stand alone product - as it is just brand support product there is no way that they gona start from scratch to rework pvp. PVP here do not bring revenue, at all. PVP players base is so small its in fact irrelevant/ Lets skip it.
You still dont get it, dont you? I dont play PVP in this game since 2-3 years now - cos its broken, unrewarding and not fun at all. And belive me - In other games I loved pvp but this game have simply nothing to offer from my point of view.
And my pvp denial and your baby crying have the same source - pvp in this game is broken. And its broken beyond repair. I even start to think that it was never really thought through by de devs. That they never really get any serious idea on how it should work. They just put it here and sice MOD 3 (open pvp) left abandoned. And years of indolency, and mentioned lack of vision lead to that point we are in now.
Today you cry becouse of GFs and TRs, next mode SWs and HRs would be to hard for you (or mayby you gona be lucky and your class will become overpowered). And that wheel of fortune wont end - ever. Every new MOD or class rework just make another turn of that wheel. As long as devs wont rework it from the very basics with full divide on pvp and pve side. Untill then nothing will change.
And no, most of the player and what is more important the devs dont give a hamster about you or those few remining players being ripped by TRs and GFs - no1 will sacrifice a PVE for long time dead PVP here. I know is sounds hard - but at least I am honest here. You of course may choose to lie yourself, you can still waist your positive energy on that lost caouse. I dont mind - its your time and effort.
But remeber that - PVP in this game is in some kind of a sick stalemate - no1 want to play PVP because its broken - devs dont fix it because no1 want to play it.
And worst part is that Neverwinter already have the opinion of a game with broken PVP or even non existing PVP. Now can you imagine how much time, effort and money would it take to bring a PVP in this game to the level that it would not only be fun for current players but would also attract a new one? A lot. And if we take into consideration that this game is not even full stand alone product - as it is just brand support product there is no way that they gona start from scratch to rework pvp. PVP here do not bring revenue, at all. PVP players base is so small its in fact irrelevant/ Lets skip it.
You are a troll. Stop posting on the PvP forums if you have nothing constructive to add.
There are PvP streamers who advocate for the game.
I play a mix of PvP and PvE. In fact, the reason why I grind sometimes from PvE is so that I can play PvP without being a detriment to my team.
I do understand that PvP needs some more attention, but you are not doing anything to help.
In short - I am not trolling but its simply beyond your comperhension.
"I do understand that PvP needs some more attention, but you are not doing anything to help." Really? Guild vs. Guild pvp - dead Gauntlgrym - dead Open pvp zones - dead Stronghold pvp - 1 a week if at all Domination - 2 maps poping 1 in an hour
You really sure its becouse GF conqueror or TRs are overpowered? And you sure youtubekids like Minimi will help about that?
So yeah, more peopels like you or @dolrey are arguing over really insignificant issues instead of pushing the devs to actually start working on pvp from its basics the closer we are to PVP removal form this game for good.
In short - I am not trolling but its simply beyond your comperhension.
"I do understand that PvP needs some more attention, but you are not doing anything to help." Really? Guild vs. Guild pvp - dead Gauntlgrym - dead Open pvp zones - dead Stronghold pvp - 1 a week if at all Domination - 2 maps poping 1 in an hour
You really sure its becouse GF conqueror or TRs are overpowered? And you sure youtubekids like Minimi will help about that?
So yeah, more peopels like you or @dolrey are arguing over really insignificant issues instead of pushing the devs to actually start working on pvp from its basics the closer we are to PVP removal form this game for good.
We had a 15v15 man player made PvP battle in Icewind pass: see here.
There are regular training sessions to learn how to PvP.
There are multiple PvP oriented channels to form teams on PC.
Depending on the timezone, Domination solo PvP can pop every 5-10 minutes.
All you are doing is saying that this thread is worthless. If there is a better example of trolling as to what you are doing in this thread, then I have yet to see it.
You probably just seem to die multiple times to TRs and GFs without learning how to counter them on other classes, hence your saltiness. And no, I do not play a TR or GF in PvP.
In short - I am not trolling but its simply beyond your comperhension.
"I do understand that PvP needs some more attention, but you are not doing anything to help." Really? Guild vs. Guild pvp - dead Gauntlgrym - dead Open pvp zones - dead Stronghold pvp - 1 a week if at all Domination - 2 maps poping 1 in an hour
You really sure its becouse GF conqueror or TRs are overpowered? And you sure youtubekids like Minimi will help about that?
So yeah, more peopels like you or @dolrey are arguing over really insignificant issues instead of pushing the devs to actually start working on pvp from its basics the closer we are to PVP removal form this game for good.
We had a 15v15 man player made PvP battle in Icewind pass: see here.
There are regular training sessions to learn how to PvP.
There are multiple PvP oriented channels to form teams on PC.
Depending on the timezone, Domination solo PvP can pop every 5-10 minutes.
All you are doing is saying that this thread is worthless. If there is a better example of trolling as to what you are doing in this thread, then I have yet to see it.
You probably just seem to die multiple times to TRs and GFs without learning how to counter them on other classes, hence your saltiness. And no, I do not play a TR or GF in PvP.
OK
One 15 vs 15 - ow boy - I semms unlike you, still remember that I was fighting in this zones everyday for a few hours a day - damn I used to live there. But ok - one incidental match its a good point to start with - let me know when you gona try next.
OK - would you be so kind to give me a hint about those training sessions -how and when to get there? I got few guildies who may be interested - heck even join myself I am so rusted, .....but worning - I play GF 18k+ tactician but will redo to IV conqueror - ofc I got legendary lion unpa fey and rest of toys - you still want me? because I belive after so long break I am nothing more but lazy HAMSTER and easy meat for up to date pvpers..... so could use a training - really not joking here
On PC there is about 15 pvp channels - or to be more precise - used to be - now its about 3 with any signs of life. "Got something, not much but it could be a life form" - Rouge 3 SW:ESB
Domination solo PVP can pop every 5-10 mins - but only during an event, besides that 30 mins to 1 hr is regular waiting. Ah forgot to add - when it pops 5-10 dont go there without a premade. And before you start - it is solo blah blah blah - dont waste your breath - we all know that there are ways to put in one match even entire team. And we both know how it ends for casual players. Got 2 pvpers in guild so I may not be active but I am well informed by my men
You forgot to add about gauntlgrym activities and guild vs guild and strongholds. Or there is simply nothing to say?
And, please be so kind to answer if changes to a GFs and TRs dolrey proposed will heal a pvp. Or what real impact those changes gona bring to the game.
All I try to do is to show you that your whole efforts are used in a wrong couse. Intead of fighting each other you should together press the devs, to force them to finally do something to make pvp live again. Arguing about calsses, skills - or even better a new maps for domintaion wont bring you that. All you get from them since strongholds release is 2 sets of gear (usless). And a heandfull of minor tweaks working untill next mod witch ruins everything again. Witch actually makes me wonder how is that possible? Well menaged and balanced PVP is self sustainig system
So its not trolling - its a wake up call- you are so involved in arguing each other that you simply dont see any more that a house around you is on fire.
In short - I am not trolling but its simply beyond your comperhension.
"I do understand that PvP needs some more attention, but you are not doing anything to help." Really? Guild vs. Guild pvp - dead Gauntlgrym - dead Open pvp zones - dead Stronghold pvp - 1 a week if at all Domination - 2 maps poping 1 in an hour
You really sure its becouse GF conqueror or TRs are overpowered? And you sure youtubekids like Minimi will help about that?
So yeah, more peopels like you or @dolrey are arguing over really insignificant issues instead of pushing the devs to actually start working on pvp from its basics the closer we are to PVP removal form this game for good.
We had a 15v15 man player made PvP battle in Icewind pass: see here.
There are regular training sessions to learn how to PvP.
There are multiple PvP oriented channels to form teams on PC.
Depending on the timezone, Domination solo PvP can pop every 5-10 minutes.
All you are doing is saying that this thread is worthless. If there is a better example of trolling as to what you are doing in this thread, then I have yet to see it.
You probably just seem to die multiple times to TRs and GFs without learning how to counter them on other classes, hence your saltiness. And no, I do not play a TR or GF in PvP.
OK
One 15 vs 15 - ow boy - I semms unlike you, still remember that I was fighting in this zones everyday for a few hours a day - damn I used to live there. But ok - one incidental match its a good point to start with - let me know when you gona try next.
OK - would you be so kind to give me a hint about those training sessions -how and when to get there? I got few guildies who may be interested - heck even join myself I am so rusted, .....but worning - I play GF 18k+ tactician but will redo to IV conqueror - ofc I got legendary lion unpa fey and rest of toys - you still want me? because I belive after so long break I am nothing more but lazy HAMSTER and easy meat for up to date pvpers..... so could use a training - really not joking here
On PC there is about 15 pvp channels - or to be more precise - used to be - now its about 3 with any signs of life. "Got something, not much but it could be a life form" - Rouge 3 SW:ESB
Domination solo PVP can pop every 5-10 mins - but only during an event, besides that 30 mins to 1 hr is regular waiting. Ah forgot to add - when it pops 5-10 dont go there without a premade. And before you start - it is solo blah blah blah - dont waste your breath - we all know that there are ways to put in one match even entire team. And we both know how it ends for casual players. Got 2 pvpers in guild so I may not be active but I am well informed by my men
You forgot to add about gauntlgrym activities and guild vs guild and strongholds. Or there is simply nothing to say?
And, please be so kind to answer if changes to a GFs and TRs dolrey proposed will heal a pvp. Or what real impact those changes gona bring to the game.
All I try to do is to show you that your whole efforts are used in a wrong couse. Intead of fighting each other you should together press the devs, to force them to finally do something to make pvp live again. Arguing about calsses, skills - or even better a new maps for domintaion wont bring you that. All you get from them since strongholds release is 2 sets of gear (usless). And a heandfull of minor tweaks working untill next mod witch ruins everything again. Witch actually makes me wonder how is that possible? Well menaged and balanced PVP is self sustainig system
So its not trolling - its a wake up call- you are so involved in arguing each other that you simply dont see any more that a house around you is on fire.
A lot of sarcasm in your post. Remind me not to take anything you say seriously, because all you seem to do is troll harder.
There are always a lot of people that say "this and this is ending", "oh no the world is on fire", yet you fail to realise that you are just a catastrophiser, and probably because PvP isn't the same as you remember it to be.
I can't and won't do anything for your lack of perspective on the issue.
I'll just leave this here (going back to the original topic): the TR (in particular) and GF need to be brought into balance in PvP if there is going to be any hope for something resembling longevity in the game. The top 6 players on PC are now TRs, and it almost is an exclusive TR vs TR battle (whichever has the better TR players) that win the match.
TRs need only stack power and recovery (with their immunity frames in Bloodbath, ITC, Dodge and their Stealth) allowing them to evade most attacks. Being able to stack power to 50-60k, and recovery to 20k+, whereas other classes need defense/deflect and some armor penetration critical strike as well to be effective, is NOT gonna be balanced at all.
Sarcasm you can fing up there all right, but I am seriuos and not trolling harder - and you know that. I am sorry that you cant find any more arguments to discuss or are unable to answer a question I asked - but thats state of the game - not your foult.
I will also leave it here. Hopefully at least some players minds crossed the idea that real reason of pvp issues is not where most try to find it.
But you seem to be slowly getting to the point posting about TRs - "is NOT gonna be balanced at all" You are ofc 100% right here - but lets see why.
TRs power/recovery stacking leading to huge powercreep and impact on PVP, are not class dependant issues (stats stacking). Every class can and should do it to be playble. And that works for PVE but not necessarly for PVP.
You are unable to change that, unless devs gona change mechanics, that will always come on top as you cant fobid TRs to slot power/recovery items and enchants, not to mention new gear or lately released ruthless enchantment and eclipse armor enchant (also incresisng deflect by a lot - more deflect for TRs added to their already huge deflect and deflect severity AND stamina boost - BIS fot TRs).
So general change to recovery few person ask here - that wont happen - just imagine impact on DCs and few other classes/builds.
Removing gear or newly released enchantments - wont happen as well
Skills rework - that and that alone is possible, well if devs would want to do that. Witch is highly unlikely.
TRs were improved for PVE reasons - In fact after years of being underpowered DPS class TRs are now wanted for PVE teams (within 2 years that happend only once - during a short time bug when SOD applied dmg twice). Then by accident or not soon after a TR rework we got those new enchantments released. While ruthless one simply fills a long existing gap then armor eclipse is like dedicated for TRs. That taken together with some new items released with MOD 14 made a TRs usefull class again and intentionally or not made them super OP in PVP. Look at PVE side for a sec - players are happy to finally get their class decnt enaugh to be considered main to play. Of course over there no1 will say anything about the impact on PVP.
Question is if devs would like to change that again nerfing skills or undo changes, and that needs to be done if you want to nerf a TRs for pvp.
There is also another solution - but impacting not only TRs but a whole game - removal of piercing damage entirely. That would force TRs to add some arpen, but its really hard to tell if that help a lot or would be a long term solution. And here is why:
In general - taking open pvp areas aside - idea of not getting companions bonuses in pvp seems to stop working. As with every new MOD there are stronger items, new boons and lets not forget a huge change with rank 14 enchatns. That alone alowed a lot of classes (mostly those having piercing damage) to hit caps in crucial stats like crit and stacking power. Just a Barovia - 600 to 1200 recovery/speed or control resist or nice chunk of HP. Its like another enchantmen slot. Now add recently released higher stats arti belts and necks, nice rings and gear adding stats - and there you go - thousands of statistic points to distibute. All that comes in favor for TRs who dont need armor penetration in PVP at all. All that incerases overall classes abilities (offensive mainly). Stacking defences in time of powercreep keep gowing with every mode leads to a point where it wont be usefull any more nor defence nor HP - who click first kill first - and you cant kill what you cant see is it?
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You still dont get it, dont you?
I dont play PVP in this game since 2-3 years now - cos its broken, unrewarding and not fun at all. And belive me - In other games I loved pvp but this game have simply nothing to offer from my point of view.
And my pvp denial and your baby crying have the same source - pvp in this game is broken. And its broken beyond repair.
I even start to think that it was never really thought through by de devs. That they never really get any serious idea on how it should work. They just put it here and sice MOD 3 (open pvp) left abandoned. And years of indolency, and mentioned lack of vision lead to that point we are in now.
Today you cry becouse of GFs and TRs, next mode SWs and HRs would be to hard for you (or mayby you gona be lucky and your class will become overpowered). And that wheel of fortune wont end - ever. Every new MOD or class rework just make another turn of that wheel. As long as devs wont rework it from the very basics with full divide on pvp and pve side. Untill then nothing will change.
And no, most of the player and what is more important the devs dont give a hamster about you or those few remining players being ripped by TRs and GFs - no1 will sacrifice a PVE for long time dead PVP here. I know is sounds hard - but at least I am honest here. You of course may choose to lie yourself, you can still waist your positive energy on that lost caouse. I dont mind - its your time and effort.
But remeber that - PVP in this game is in some kind of a sick stalemate - no1 want to play PVP because its broken - devs dont fix it because no1 want to play it.
And worst part is that Neverwinter already have the opinion of a game with broken PVP or even non existing PVP. Now can you imagine how much time, effort and money would it take to bring a PVP in this game to the level that it would not only be fun for current players but would also attract a new one? A lot.
And if we take into consideration that this game is not even full stand alone product - as it is just brand support product there is no way that they gona start from scratch to rework pvp. PVP here do not bring revenue, at all. PVP players base is so small its in fact irrelevant/ Lets skip it.
There are PvP streamers who advocate for the game.
I play a mix of PvP and PvE. In fact, the reason why I grind sometimes from PvE is so that I can play PvP without being a detriment to my team.
I do understand that PvP needs some more attention, but you are not doing anything to help.
In short - I am not trolling but its simply beyond your comperhension.
"I do understand that PvP needs some more attention, but you are not doing anything to help."
Really?
Guild vs. Guild pvp - dead
Gauntlgrym - dead
Open pvp zones - dead
Stronghold pvp - 1 a week if at all
Domination - 2 maps poping 1 in an hour
You really sure its becouse GF conqueror or TRs are overpowered?
And you sure youtubekids like Minimi will help about that?
So yeah, more peopels like you or @dolrey are arguing over really insignificant issues instead of pushing the devs to actually start working on pvp from its basics the closer we are to PVP removal form this game for good.
There are regular training sessions to learn how to PvP.
There are multiple PvP oriented channels to form teams on PC.
Depending on the timezone, Domination solo PvP can pop every 5-10 minutes.
All you are doing is saying that this thread is worthless. If there is a better example of trolling as to what you are doing in this thread, then I have yet to see it.
You probably just seem to die multiple times to TRs and GFs without learning how to counter them on other classes, hence your saltiness. And no, I do not play a TR or GF in PvP.
One 15 vs 15 - ow boy - I semms unlike you, still remember that I was fighting in this zones everyday for a few hours a day - damn I used to live there. But ok - one incidental match its a good point to start with - let me know when you gona try next.
OK - would you be so kind to give me a hint about those training sessions -how and when to get there? I got few guildies who may be interested - heck even join myself I am so rusted,
.....but worning - I play GF 18k+ tactician but will redo to IV conqueror - ofc I got legendary lion unpa fey and rest of toys - you still want me? because I belive after so long break I am nothing more but lazy HAMSTER and easy meat for up to date pvpers..... so could use a training - really not joking here
On PC there is about 15 pvp channels - or to be more precise - used to be - now its about 3 with any signs of life.
"Got something, not much but it could be a life form" - Rouge 3 SW:ESB
Domination solo PVP can pop every 5-10 mins - but only during an event, besides that 30 mins to 1 hr is regular waiting.
Ah forgot to add - when it pops 5-10 dont go there without a premade. And before you start - it is solo blah blah blah - dont waste your breath - we all know that there are ways to put in one match even entire team. And we both know how it ends for casual players. Got 2 pvpers in guild so I may not be active but I am well informed by my men
You forgot to add about gauntlgrym activities and guild vs guild and strongholds. Or there is simply nothing to say?
And, please be so kind to answer if changes to a GFs and TRs dolrey proposed will heal a pvp. Or what real impact those changes gona bring to the game.
All I try to do is to show you that your whole efforts are used in a wrong couse.
Intead of fighting each other you should together press the devs, to force them to finally do something to make pvp live again.
Arguing about calsses, skills - or even better a new maps for domintaion wont bring you that. All you get from them since strongholds release is 2 sets of gear (usless). And a heandfull of minor tweaks working untill next mod witch ruins everything again. Witch actually makes me wonder how is that possible? Well menaged and balanced PVP is self sustainig system
So its not trolling - its a wake up call- you are so involved in arguing each other that you simply dont see any more that a house around you is on fire.
There are always a lot of people that say "this and this is ending", "oh no the world is on fire", yet you fail to realise that you are just a catastrophiser, and probably because PvP isn't the same as you remember it to be.
I can't and won't do anything for your lack of perspective on the issue.
I'll just leave this here (going back to the original topic): the TR (in particular) and GF need to be brought into balance in PvP if there is going to be any hope for something resembling longevity in the game. The top 6 players on PC are now TRs, and it almost is an exclusive TR vs TR battle (whichever has the better TR players) that win the match.
TRs need only stack power and recovery (with their immunity frames in Bloodbath, ITC, Dodge and their Stealth) allowing them to evade most attacks. Being able to stack power to 50-60k, and recovery to 20k+, whereas other classes need defense/deflect and some armor penetration critical strike as well to be effective, is NOT gonna be balanced at all.
Sarcasm you can fing up there all right, but I am seriuos and not trolling harder - and you know that.
I am sorry that you cant find any more arguments to discuss or are unable to answer a question I asked - but thats state of the game - not your foult.
I will also leave it here. Hopefully at least some players minds crossed the idea that real reason of pvp issues is not where most try to find it.
But you seem to be slowly getting to the point posting about TRs - "is NOT gonna be balanced at all"
You are ofc 100% right here - but lets see why.
TRs power/recovery stacking leading to huge powercreep and impact on PVP, are not class dependant issues (stats stacking). Every class can and should do it to be playble. And that works for PVE but not necessarly for PVP.
You are unable to change that, unless devs gona change mechanics, that will always come on top as you cant fobid TRs to slot power/recovery items and enchants, not to mention new gear or lately released ruthless enchantment and eclipse armor enchant (also incresisng deflect by a lot - more deflect for TRs added to their already huge deflect and deflect severity AND stamina boost - BIS fot TRs).
So general change to recovery few person ask here - that wont happen - just imagine impact on DCs and few other classes/builds.
Removing gear or newly released enchantments - wont happen as well
Skills rework - that and that alone is possible, well if devs would want to do that.
Witch is highly unlikely.
TRs were improved for PVE reasons - In fact after years of being underpowered DPS class TRs are now wanted for PVE teams (within 2 years that happend only once - during a short time bug when SOD applied dmg twice).
Then by accident or not soon after a TR rework we got those new enchantments released. While ruthless one simply fills a long existing gap then armor eclipse is like dedicated for TRs.
That taken together with some new items released with MOD 14 made a TRs usefull class again and intentionally or not made them super OP in PVP. Look at PVE side for a sec - players are happy to finally get their class decnt enaugh to be considered main to play. Of course over there no1 will say anything about the impact on PVP.
Question is if devs would like to change that again nerfing skills or undo changes, and that needs to be done if you want to nerf a TRs for pvp.
There is also another solution - but impacting not only TRs but a whole game - removal of piercing damage entirely.
That would force TRs to add some arpen, but its really hard to tell if that help a lot or would be a long term solution. And here is why:
In general - taking open pvp areas aside - idea of not getting companions bonuses in pvp seems to stop working. As with every new MOD there are stronger items, new boons and lets not forget a huge change with rank 14 enchatns. That alone alowed a lot of classes (mostly those having piercing damage) to hit caps in crucial stats like crit and stacking power. Just a Barovia - 600 to 1200 recovery/speed or control resist or nice chunk of HP. Its like another enchantmen slot. Now add recently released higher stats arti belts and necks, nice rings and gear adding stats - and there you go - thousands of statistic points to distibute. All that comes in favor for TRs who dont need armor penetration in PVP at all. All that incerases overall classes abilities (offensive mainly). Stacking defences in time of powercreep keep gowing with every mode leads to a point where it wont be usefull any more nor defence nor HP - who click first kill first - and you cant kill what you cant see is it?