Trade House Buyouts

akpuls

Sorry but I'm really mad now. How is even possible that. I have best Buyout price at trade house and I'm listed on 6th page and this is happening all a time for months. How you can even imagine that people will by paying you for broken product. If you go buy a car you will not be also happy that lights on it will be sometime working so please fix your freaking trade house buyout price sorting. I have better things to do then constantly reposting my auctions because people with higher buyout price moving me from top of list. If somebody have best buyout price he should be on top 1st page all a time. I hope you will fix this. Thank you.

zephyriah

akpuls#9220 said:

Sorry but I'm really mad now. How is even possible that. I have best Buyout price at trade house and I'm listed on 6th page and this is happening all a time for months. How you can even imagine that people will by paying you for broken product. If you go buy a car you will not be also happy that lights on it will be sometime working so please fix your freaking trade house buyout price sorting. I have better things to do then constantly reposting my auctions because people with higher buyout price moving me from top of list. If somebody have best buyout price he should be on top 1st page all a time. I hope you will fix this. Thank you.

Only if you sort by "buyout" will you be first (if you truly have the lowest buyout PER UNIT price). There are several ways to sort and you cannot be on the first page in all of them. If you truly want help and would like someone to help narrow down the issue, you should post your GT and an item you posted that you see this happening on. Somebody can then take a look at the AH and possibly offer a suggestion not based strictly on guesswork.

akpuls

zephyriah said:

akpuls#9220 said:

Sorry but I'm really mad now. How is even possible that. I have best Buyout price at trade house and I'm listed on 6th page and this is happening all a time for months. How you can even imagine that people will by paying you for broken product. If you go buy a car you will not be also happy that lights on it will be sometime working so please fix your freaking trade house buyout price sorting. I have better things to do then constantly reposting my auctions because people with higher buyout price moving me from top of list. If somebody have best buyout price he should be on top 1st page all a time. I hope you will fix this. Thank you.

Only if you sort by "buyout" will you be first (if you truly have the lowest buyout PER UNIT price). There are several ways to sort and you cannot be on the first page in all of them. If you truly want help and would like someone to help narrow down the issue, you should post your GT and an item you posted that you see this happening on. Somebody can then take a look at the AH and possibly offer a suggestion not based strictly on guesswork.

Well I know that I have options to sort trade house based on few options. Problem is that trade house has some huge issue with large stacks of items. If I i.e. trying to sell one item for best price I'm keeping sorting on default or sorting based on name. Example: somebody is try to sell same item for 400 and if I put it to trade house for 399 I will be on a top of list if I sort based on default or name and I will stay there until somebody put item i.e. for 398. I'm always looking if I'm selling stack of items to have best buyout price and it looks like it works whem I'm trying to sell like stack of 5, 10 or 15 but if I trying to sell stack of 500 it's stop to working. Example: I'm trying to sell stack of 500 for 10000 which is 20 per unit and there is i.e. somebody who is selling same stack for 10100. Then my unit price is better but he is in front of me. Person which put one unit for 25 is in front of me. I really don't know where is a problem but it looks to me like engine which is driving trade house is slow and have big problems recalculating this huge stacks auctions and he is not able to put them to correct place. I.E. if I put something to trade house I starts with best buyout price at i.e. 5th page but if I check it in few minutes latter I'm on 1st page but sedly I will not stay there even with better price for forever because auctions with worst buyout price are sorted in front of me again. So i need to repost my auctions and hope that I will be again on 1st page.

akpuls

I just made a quote with details about this problem and it was deleted?

kreatyve

akpuls#9220 said:

I just made a quote with details about this problem and it was deleted?

Nope, the forums automated system thought you were spamming. Your quote has been rescued and your account has been verified so it should not happen to you again. Apologies.

akpuls

kreatyve said:

akpuls#9220 said:

I just made a quote with details about this problem and it was deleted?

Nope, the forums automated system thought you were spamming. Your quote has been rescued and your account has been verified so it should not happen to you again. Apologies.

OK, thank you.

zephyriah

akpuls#9220 said:

zephyriah said:

akpuls#9220 said:

Sorry but I'm really mad now. How is even possible that. I have best Buyout price at trade house and I'm listed on 6th page and this is happening all a time for months. How you can even imagine that people will by paying you for broken product. If you go buy a car you will not be also happy that lights on it will be sometime working so please fix your freaking trade house buyout price sorting. I have better things to do then constantly reposting my auctions because people with higher buyout price moving me from top of list. If somebody have best buyout price he should be on top 1st page all a time. I hope you will fix this. Thank you.

Only if you sort by "buyout" will you be first (if you truly have the lowest buyout PER UNIT price). There are several ways to sort and you cannot be on the first page in all of them. If you truly want help and would like someone to help narrow down the issue, you should post your GT and an item you posted that you see this happening on. Somebody can then take a look at the AH and possibly offer a suggestion not based strictly on guesswork.

Well I know that I have options to sort trade house based on few options. Problem is that trade house has some huge issue with large stacks of items. If I i.e. trying to sell one item for best price I'm keeping sorting on default or sorting based on name. Example: somebody is try to sell same item for 400 and if I put it to trade house for 399 I will be on a top of list if I sort based on default or name and I will stay there until somebody put item i.e. for 398. I'm always looking if I'm selling stack of items to have best buyout price and it looks like it works whem I'm trying to sell like stack of 5, 10 or 15 but if I trying to sell stack of 500 it's stop to working. Example: I'm trying to sell stack of 500 for 10000 which is 20 per unit and there is i.e. somebody who is selling same stack for 10100. Then my unit price is better but he is in front of me. Person which put one unit for 25 is in front of me. I really don't know where is a problem but it looks to me like engine which is driving trade house is slow and have big problems recalculating this huge stacks auctions and he is not able to put them to correct place. I.E. if I put something to trade house I starts with best buyout price at i.e. 5th page but if I check it in few minutes latter I'm on 1st page but sedly I will not stay there even with better price for forever because auctions with worst buyout price are sorted in front of me again. So i need to repost my auctions and hope that I will be again on 1st page.

Ok, you have now provided some useful information. What you have now described is a rounding issue.

The example you gave, their unit price is 20.2. Since it is under .5, it is likely rounded down(I don't know the actual code, but this is how I would do it) making his price and yours 20, it would then go to the next tiebreaker that is programmed. You are losing that tiebreaker. They made a decision on the number of "significant digits" to use in the price rounding. No matter what point (1, .01, .001 etc.) they choose as a cutoff, fractional unit prices will always cause this issue. It cannot be avoided as long as they allow us to set prices. In your example, he could probably go as high as 10249 and still be ahead, at 10250 and above you would win. That should be a probable explanation for the one case you gave.

For the other case: I don't see how the person listing for 25 could be ahead of you in a buyout sort. I've never seen that occur and I'm selling on the AH frequently. I would need to see that listing to determine/guess what is happening

akpuls

zephyriah said:

akpuls#9220 said:

zephyriah said:

akpuls#9220 said:

Sorry but I'm really mad now. How is even possible that. I have best Buyout price at trade house and I'm listed on 6th page and this is happening all a time for months. How you can even imagine that people will by paying you for broken product. If you go buy a car you will not be also happy that lights on it will be sometime working so please fix your freaking trade house buyout price sorting. I have better things to do then constantly reposting my auctions because people with higher buyout price moving me from top of list. If somebody have best buyout price he should be on top 1st page all a time. I hope you will fix this. Thank you.

Only if you sort by "buyout" will you be first (if you truly have the lowest buyout PER UNIT price). There are several ways to sort and you cannot be on the first page in all of them. If you truly want help and would like someone to help narrow down the issue, you should post your GT and an item you posted that you see this happening on. Somebody can then take a look at the AH and possibly offer a suggestion not based strictly on guesswork.

Well I know that I have options to sort trade house based on few options. Problem is that trade house has some huge issue with large stacks of items. If I i.e. trying to sell one item for best price I'm keeping sorting on default or sorting based on name. Example: somebody is try to sell same item for 400 and if I put it to trade house for 399 I will be on a top of list if I sort based on default or name and I will stay there until somebody put item i.e. for 398. I'm always looking if I'm selling stack of items to have best buyout price and it looks like it works whem I'm trying to sell like stack of 5, 10 or 15 but if I trying to sell stack of 500 it's stop to working. Example: I'm trying to sell stack of 500 for 10000 which is 20 per unit and there is i.e. somebody who is selling same stack for 10100. Then my unit price is better but he is in front of me. Person which put one unit for 25 is in front of me. I really don't know where is a problem but it looks to me like engine which is driving trade house is slow and have big problems recalculating this huge stacks auctions and he is not able to put them to correct place. I.E. if I put something to trade house I starts with best buyout price at i.e. 5th page but if I check it in few minutes latter I'm on 1st page but sedly I will not stay there even with better price for forever because auctions with worst buyout price are sorted in front of me again. So i need to repost my auctions and hope that I will be again on 1st page.

Ok, you have now provided some useful information. What you have now described is a rounding issue.

The example you gave, their unit price is 20.2. Since it is under .5, it is likely rounded down(I don't know the actual code, but this is how I would do it) making his price and yours 20, it would then go to the next tiebreaker that is programmed. You are losing that tiebreaker. They made a decision on the number of "significant digits" to use in the price rounding. No matter what point (1, .01, .001 etc.) they choose as a cutoff, fractional unit prices will always cause this issue. It cannot be avoided as long as they allow us to set prices. In your example, he could probably go as high as 10249 and still be ahead, at 10250 and above you would win. That should be a probable explanation for the one case you gave.

For the other case: I don't see how the person listing for 25 could be ahead of you in a buyout sort. I've never seen that occur and I'm selling on the AH frequently. I would need to see that listing to determine/guess what is happening

Thank you for help. It's really bad. In another game which I'm playing is able to sell also huge stacks of items and I never see here a problem like this. I hope thay will change it in feature bacause I want to play game with my character and not wasting my time with TH but I also need ADs.