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muminekm
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(Idea suggested by @rainer#8575..if I tagged correctly)
There are some people with more accound/character bound RP than they need. Would be nice to be able to share it with guildmates without temporary borrowing their enchanments to fill it like now. It would work the same way gold work in guild bank - you can donate any amount and people can withdraw up to daily limit.
Also let's enable RP in personal banks. It doesn't solve any problem (like botting for RP on chars) and is only hassle for us (moving enchants around for refine).
There are some people with more accound/character bound RP than they need. Would be nice to be able to share it with guildmates without temporary borrowing their enchanments to fill it like now. It would work the same way gold work in guild bank - you can donate any amount and people can withdraw up to daily limit.
Also let's enable RP in personal banks. It doesn't solve any problem (like botting for RP on chars) and is only hassle for us (moving enchants around for refine).
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Character bound RP would be actually account bound - since alts can be in the same guild. Also - you could even "sell" the (char/account bound) RP via this mechanism. Basically it removes the bind status from RP...
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I would rather they didn't make RP transferable between accounts. But that is just my opinion of course.
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Besides there is nothing stopping people in guilds today to donating various unbound GEMS / Reagents to the Guild Bank today as you stated. Still it's also very rare to see people dropping a lot of Gems / Reagents into a Guild Bank; without the except of Guild Leadership, Advisor's or more senior Officer's donating either purchased or earned through Leadership to help new guild members grow.
Besides if you just want to help Guildies grow : Just run the Stronghold : Storm the Castle (SHS) from the Master of Coin!
Do this following a Dragon Flight / Big Heroic Encounter run; along with other daily quests. All these earn the players Guild Mark's, in addition to possibly Salvage / Companion Gear, not to mention the Blood Ruby and Purple Influence Voucher from Storming the Castle. Also Dragonflight Strongbox of Influence, Gems, Salvage, Gold, Astral Diamonds, those can be donated even without a KEY directly into the COFFER; it's just if keys are available the donation is upgraded from 1 Voucher to 4.
Take an unbound level 5 enchantment or whatever, out of the (shared/guild) bank, use the bound to character refinement points on it and put it back into the (shared/guild) bank...
But then realistically how may players have absolutely no use for their refinement points regardless of how they're bound - or not?
Every player can receive an artifact sigil at around level 60 from the Vault of the Nine, and an off hand artifact at level 70 from the protector and it would probably take a ton of freebie refining points to get either one of those artifacts up to legendary status (not that it couldn’t happen I suppose).
I think what we’re hearing is some people who have alternate characters and never plan on using or progressing those alternate characters to a level where they can ever get an artifact saying they would rather be able to use those bound refining points on a character(s) they actually play…
If someone doesn’t like seeing all of those BtC refinement points in their inventory, take some of those alts out of the stables and play them till you get an artifact, use those refinement points until you get that artifact to legendary status, then come back and complain that refinement points are stacking up and can’t be used, traded or sold… I’ll not hold my breath for that to happen.
Actually what I’d like to see, although it probably is a little off topic, is the value of artifacts being fed into a new artifact increased significantly, since presently after all the time and effort, blood, sweat and tears of refining an artifact to higher levels, the amount of refinement points one receives for feeding it to a new artifact is (IMO) an insult.
I have an account now with many alternate characters. At one time I too wanted to try to level them up equally but gave up on that notion long ago since different groups call for (IMO) different classes of characters to make a "well balanced party" (admittedly an old school D&D notion but one I still prefer) and some characters were being used more or less frequently than others.
What would have been the greatest benefit in my opinion would have been being able to pass hand-me-down armor and weapons from one character of the same class to another - but then of course that isn't possible because most equipped items are bound to character instead of bound to account.
I will again uselessly repeat my most common complaint - that waaaaay too many items are bound to character, BtC when in my opinion it would make more sense for them being bound to account BtA... but then I always feel like I'm whistling into the wind when I try to express that opinion.
What you'd need is the ability to crunch account bound and unbound RP into a central account RP bank, while the character bound stuff stays character bound and is used first.
If a character can't use the refinement points and if a character on the same account needs the points, why shouldn't one member of the same account be able to share refinement points with another one of their characters on the same account?
The same for guilds, if a guild member has the gear they want and that gear is maxed so far as refining is concerned, why shouldn't one member of a guild be able to donate spare refinement points to someone else in the same guild?
The end result is, by doing so it helps everyone in the guild/account to play more efficiently and isn't that what guilds and multiple character accounts are supposed to be all about, having characters that can help other characters to make the game more enjoyable?
Just my 2¢
It takes time & effort to grind the RP...
He wanted to donate RP like donating gold to the guild bank. That does not need any inventory space.
I can be wrong but I believe the guild comes with a basic guild bank without inventory slot but it can store gold.
If you need to unlock repository, you need AD but in this case, it does not need repository.
What he proposed should not need to cost any AD to store RP.
For 'grinding' the RP, bot can do invocation and can have many bots.
People have offered insight on how something like this could be exploited by some and although this is something I hadn't considered until now, I do see how it would be possible.
Perhaps a system to facilitate the sharing of refinement points, aside from the ones we already have, isn't such a good suggestion after all.
Besides, there are already ways to help your guild mates with refining points. The primary method is called "Leadership". It works like this:
1. Do the Leadership task called "Guard Clerics of Ilmater" and/or "Escort a Wizard's Seneschal".
2. Open the bags you get from step #1.
3. Deposit the gems into the guild bank.
The secondary method is called "Get a mount with the Wanderer's Fortune insignia bonus". It works like this:
1. Put a crescent insignia, a regal insignia, and an illuminated insignia all on the same mount.
2. Kill stuff and get gems.
3. Deposit the gems into the guild bank.
The third method is called "Give me your enchantment and I'll fill it with refinement points". It works like this:
1. Guild mate trades an unbound enchantment to you.
2. You open the refining window on the enchantment.
3. Move the slider as close to the right end of the bar as possible without actually filling the bar completely up.*
4. You trade the enchantment back to your guild mate.
* Step #3 usually results in the guild mate having to spend <200 refinement points of their own to complete the refinement.
The fourth method is called "I'll put unbound green and blue gear in the guild bank". It works like this:
1. Open the guild bank.
2. Optional: Identify any green and blue non-artifact gear you've found.
3. Put in any green and blue non-artifact gear you've found.
4. Close the guild bank.
If people can't be bothered to do any of that, then there's no reason to make this even easier for them. There's also no reason to expect they'd be bothered to withdraw refinement points from the guild bank.
Second method: does not work well because it is account bound except black pearl, pearl and amethyst. Even a whole stack, it is a drop of the bucket.
Third method: highly not recommended. There is always a trust issue.
Forth method: you may just mail it so that the 'expensive' guild slot won't be wasted by an unstackable 50 RP item. You don't need to carry the item and go to a guild bank which is not part of VIP.
I support the idea of bankable RP - but not in the guild bank. However, likely such a mechanic would be introduced only if an account-wide limit on RP is put in like what happened with AD, and I don't think that is necessary since you can just feed RP to alts via the shared bank (less character-bound RP items which are actually fairly rare anyway).
Slightly off topic, but related to the guild bank: it should have bankable AD though for only guilds to share the cost of opening bank slots. Withdrawals should never be allowed, not even for guildmasters (to prevent abuse), and once all slots are open, the AD bank option should be disabled for that guild.
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Allow guild members to donate Astral Diamonds into the Guild Bank, donate but with no means by any guild rank to withdraw toward the purchase of the next guild bank slot... when all possible bank slots have been purchased, close the donate feature so no AD's will be wasted.
I hope this will be something the game developers give some serious consideration to...
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