Add a cool down to joining a guild to curb thiefs

grrouper

Lots of times you will see someone say so and so is a guild bank thief in protectors enclave. Well today i seen a person mention it in zone chat saying that the thief claimed to be there leader on a alt (i know Lame and hard to fall for) . And we do have settings to restrict players from accessing guild banks but some newer guilds might not understand or still have a freebie for new members (1 per day say ) .

But after i searched, tracked and inspected this person/thief he jumped at least 20 guilds in about an hour. It made me think it would not hurt to have a limit to how many guilds a person can join in a day . Maybe 2 times or even just 1 would really curb this behavior. If a player leaves or gets kicked they can join another guild but after that they must wait 24 hours or even longer before they can join another.

Not sure how often this method is used by thieves but at joining 20 guilds in 1 hour they could collect 20 free items also per hour (maybe more maybe less). But imagine in a day how much "junk" he collects and maybe does make out with some other stuff as well but in the end they make easy AD by scamming others.

karvare

Ok, I hate thieves too. However, I think there are enough rules in place. How about a popup warning to prepare guild leaders to watch out. In my guild, you have to sign into the guild website to get guild permissions. In other words, it takes the guild jumper TIME to get to a point they can get anything. I don't think they will wait it out and just look for another target. In the US Navy they teach you to CYA (cover your...), that is what is really needed here. We will always have the thieves, lock the vault to be safe.

arazith07

They should just have a guild history tab for when you inspect them.

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karvare

No, not giving a goodie to a new member is not a rule. It is a gift from the guild. A rule is, say limiting a person to joining 1 guild per day. Opening the guild bank up free for the taking to a new member none knows is bad policy. CYA.

zanaspus1

arazith07 said:

They should just have a guild history tab for when you inspect them.

This.

minotaur2857

I have characters in 3 guilds, sometimes I will do a circuit to drop off stuff that each guild particularly needs and clear my inventory. You can also easily need 2 if you want to buy something from a higher level guild that isn't available in yours.

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kreatyve

I think the main thing that players can do until when/if the devs come up with a solution - don't trust people on new accounts. Have a policy in your guild where officers must promote their own alts when they bring them into the guild. This scam has been going on in game for YEARS, but generally it's easy to not fall for it if you are vigilant and paying attention. I can recall one time on PC when I got a PM from someone who was claiming to be a rank 7 in my guild, but the rank 7 they were claiming to be was my husband who was 2 feet away from me at the time. That was quite hilarious.

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karvare

You know, just because he got into 20 guilds does not mean he robbed 20 guilds. I would imagine that at least a few would use common sense and not allow someone that makes claims to something free reign to their guild bank to be robbed in 3 minuets.

Before you give them a key to the vault, check out their story or evaluate them. You want to give them a helping hand, go right ahead just give them the stuff, or mail it to them. Guild leaders should use discretion when allowing access to the goodies.

arazith07

> @grrouper said:
> They should just have a guild history tab for when you inspect them.
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> Not sure what you mean? like a tab that shows dates of the guilds he has been in ? Or some tab that a player can leave comments ? I could see tab showing dates of guilds he has joined might work. It also might be hard for a dev to make but having a cool down i believe would not be so hard but i could be wrong. And if it is something other players can leave notes well that is just a setup for trolls to abuse kinda like the the dislike option we have in forums.

I mean a tab showing the character's guild history with dates. Just a log showing join/leave dates and name of guild. If someone has 20 guilds on a day it will be easy to spot, but also for those you do guild hop between 2 guilds a person seeing inspecting it won't be too alarmed.

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minotaur2857

We had a genuine officer empty part of the guild bank over the course of a week then flit to another guild. But we know our officers, and know their alt accounts (although few if any of ours have them).

manipulos

In the past there was a way for people to withdraw items from a guild bank even if they did not have permission to withdraw. I know this for a fact because I invited someone to a guild that I was leader of and they wiped out a bunch of items from our guild bank even though they were the lowest rank and had no permissions whatsoever. Customer service was exactly zero help as I'm sure you could have guessed. Anyway, I have no idea if it's still possible for someone to do this, it happened within the first year this game was live.

kreatyve

manipulos said:

In the past there was a way for people to withdraw items from a guild bank even if they did not have permission to withdraw. I know this for a fact because I invited someone to a guild that I was leader of and they wiped out a bunch of items from our guild bank even though they were the lowest rank and had no permissions whatsoever. Customer service was exactly zero help as I'm sure you could have guessed. Anyway, I have no idea if it's still possible for someone to do this, it happened within the first year this game was live.

I'm pretty sure it wasn't that they were able to "withdraw" items, they were able to discard them, if I remember correctly. That was fixed a long time ago though.

greywynd

kreatyve said:

I think the main thing that players can do until when/if the devs come up with a solution - don't trust people on new accounts. Have a policy in your guild where officers must promote their own alts when they bring them into the guild. This scam has been going on in game for YEARS, but generally it's easy to not fall for it if you are vigilant and paying attention. I can recall one time on PC when I got a PM from someone who was claiming to be a rank 7 in my guild, but the rank 7 they were claiming to be was my husband who was 2 feet away from me at the time. That was quite hilarious.

Had a similar. My guild started out with me, 2 of my cousins and several friends of ours. Had someone invite someone in and shortly after that I got a PM, "Hey, it's me, Khor. This is an alt account. Promote me up."

"If you're Khor, why aren't you out cutting my grass like you're supposed to be doing?"

"Hey, it's me, Khor. Come on. Promote me."

*kick*

lardeson

i actually thought this was a thing, like when i took a yr break and got back, my guild was empty, decided to join another and was prompted i had to wait an hour to get in a new guild. or maybe that was a different game, cant recall