full crit

jackharper

Hello
I'm back to play with my GWF after few months break, when the last time I played the most popular build was "Lia" build with +/- 100% critic and vorpal. Now i see 90% GWF in game change vorpal for light, feyt, terror, holly, flamin etc. Why vorpal now is useless and why ppl dont play with 100% crit? This build now is weak?

If someone dont know lia build, look here http://mmominds.com/2015/01/05/lia-knowless-gwf-destroyer-dps-for-pve-build/

eclipseblood

> @jackharper#1224 said:
> Hello
> I'm back to play with my GWF after few months break, when the last time I played the most popular build was "Lia" build with +/- 100% critic and vorpal. Now i see 90% GWF in game change vorpal for light, feyt, terror, holly, flamin etc. Why vorpal now is useless and why ppl dont play with 100% crit? This build now is weak?
>
> If someone dont know lia build, look here http://mmominds.com/2015/01/05/lia-knowless-gwf-destroyer-dps-for-pve-build/

Hi welcome back, y u see more ppl running other enchants now is because weapon damage enchantments now scale with buffs, power, etc. So instead of having one high damage hit with vorpal, u can do 2 hits that equal to more together than the vorpal if u use a trans terror for instance. Rn terror is a cheap enchantment but has one of the highest weapon damages, lightning is very good for aoe/trash mobs, feytouch i cant comment on, flaming has the highest damage but takes awhile to build up, and holy is bis for boss fights if they only last 15 sec. Hope this helps(they can crit also).

rjc9000

Everything @eclipseblood#1326 has said about weapon enchantments is generally correct.

eclipseblood#1326 said:

feytouch i cant comment on

In 12.5, when all the bugs get fixed (except for the DC's Fire of the Gods bug), there is really no reason to use Vorpal over Feytouched.

Feytouched's biggest appeal is that it is practically a 1.18x damage buff in weapon enchantment form (it also has procs of weapon damage, though they are pretty small). This means that it works with all of your damage.

By comparison Vorpal only works on your Critting damage. In addition, the way GWFs build themselves (Devastating Critical, Half Orc, Crit Severity boons, Crit Severity Potions, etc.), Vorpal's DPS increase gets relatively smaller as you start with more Crit Severity and stack more Combat Advantage/CHA.

Vorpal isn't a bad enchantment, it's just on GWF, there's many other better options.

jackharper

Ok thx for your answer. These dmg differences between vorpal an other enchantments there are big? Now playing with vorpal and 100% crit it doesn't make sense to play like that?
In the near future they plan to "repair" vorpal?

rjc9000

The differences between Vorpal and everything else are only big on GWF, and arguably CW.

On every other class, Vorpal is still a top 3 enchantment. I don't expect to see Vorpal being "buffed" simply because it's still really good for most other classes in the game.

You still want 100% Crit on a GWF, unless you want to be like @wickedduck22#9795 and rage as your IBS doesn't Crit when you have 99.6% Crit chance.

jaime4312

> @rjc9000 said:
> The differences between Vorpal and everything else are only big on GWF, and arguably CW.
>
> On every other class, Vorpal is still a top 3 enchantment. I don't expect to see Vorpal being "buffed" simply because it's still really good for most other classes in the game.
>
> You still want 100% Crit on a GWF, unless you want to be like @wickedduck22#9795 and rage as your IBS doesn't Crit when you have 99.6% Crit chance.

That reminds me my SW when she was lower geared, I used to get annoyed big time as my crit chance at the time was 99,7% and pretty much every single time an attack would not critically strike, it would be Killing Flames or single target dps daylies lol.

jackharper

OK thx.
I don't have enough AD to buy trans light so i buy flaming, and change build.
Flaming will be a good options?

eclipseblood

> @jackharper#1224 said:
> OK thx.
> I don't have enough AD to buy trans light so i buy flaming, and change build.
> Flaming will be a good options?

Flaming can jam on a gwf (unless it was fixed), while its good for long fights it gets most of its damage through dots so for quick fights so u will be losing alot of damage if its ur only enchant in a burn grp. I would recommend a trans terror kinda biased in that regard tho tbh.(as said before, vorpal is still good too)

santralafax

jackharper#1224 said:

OK thx.
I don't have enough AD to buy trans light so i buy flaming, and change build.
Flaming will be a good options?

If you have a solid high crit build, based on Lia's, you shouldn't have to change much. High crit is still needed, just that vorpal isn't the only enchant worth taking anymore. You'll want to update over time, of course....

c3rb3r3

Don't bother with Flaming unless you're an end game guy, imo Flaming is only good against long fight boss which should only be fbi/msva/msp/tong, and at this point you also need a Lightning enchant and use loadouts. Using flaming alone is a waste.

If you're not an end game guy, just permanently use a Trans Lightning. If it costs too much, get a Trans Terror.

gromovnipljesak

Feytouched is great in those extreme buff groups. Vorpal is still fine, just not the best. Every enchant works to some extent on GWFs, it's just minmaxing what makes people get Holy and Lightning and Terror.

Also, @rjc9000, i have 99.8% crit chance, and you wouldn't believe how annoying it is to buff up everything from soul sight to tenser, slam, get external buffs timed perfectly, only to get a 10 mil non crit IBS. (on a side note, gotta love that disagree by wicked lol)

jackharper

I give up the vorpal and full crit build. Firts I bought t. flaming but after few days sold it. Maybe it's good ench but for me nothing special. I had few Coalescent Ward (bound) so i sold flaming and I did Pure light. Unfortunately for trans missed some AD ;/

santralafax

jackharper#1224 said:

I give up the vorpal and full crit build. Firts I bought t. flaming but after few days sold it. Maybe it's good ench but for me nothing special. I had few Coalescent Ward (bound) so i sold flaming and I did Pure light. Unfortunately for trans missed some AD ;/

So what did you change about your build? I'm confused why that has to change just because you don't use vorpal...

jackharper

Mainly i change crit for power. Previously I was "collecting" everything it was raised my chances of crit. About build i play like here http://mmominds.com/2017/06/22/one-above-all-gwf-mod-11-destroyer-pve-build/
and here https://arcgames.com/en/forums/neverwinter#/discussion/1236109/v1-4-lt-smith-neko-s-gwf-guide-build

ps. i dont compare maybe lia have the same feats etc.