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Mighty Blade- Why is it good?

isaintify1isaintify1 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 414 Arc User
in The Militia Barracks
I heard that Mighty Blade was "fixed" So I decided to test it. My previous build recorded on act for damage in 1m was 17.9m. Decided to respec and removed staying power for Mighty Blade.

I did a test with it and did only 13.3m damage on act in 1m. So what is considered "AOE" if something like Weapon Master Strike/Slam/Hidden Daggers are not AOEs. Because these all did 300-500k less damage with mighty blade going instead of Staying Power.

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  • rjc9000rjc9000 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 2,405 Arc User
    The fix won't be applied 'till Mod13.

  • isaintify1isaintify1 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 414 Arc User
    rjc9000 said:

    The fix won't be applied 'till Mod13.

    oh okay my bad I heard in zone chat it was fixed. Thank you.

  • gromovnipljesak#8234 gromovnipljesak
    gromovnipljesak#8234
         Member Posts: 1,053 Arc User
    One question, does this involve IBS? Because, it's not a targeted ability and affects multiple enemies in a VERY small area, but an area nonetheless.
  • rjc9000rjc9000 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 2,405 Arc User
    edited January 2018
    Okay, so I ran some tests on this in Mod 13's preview. Naked character & fixed damage weapon. The feats I were using for Mighty Blade were:



    Anyways, here are my findings.

    Mighty Blade's damage buff only applies on the abilities which hit multiple targets.



    Compare the Wicked Strike which hit initially (655.4) to the one which hit multiple targets (720.9). The difference is, give or take, 10% (655.4 * 1.1 = 720.94). Also notice I tried to use Sure Strike after the double Wicked Strike hit, but the damage was unchanged.

    Weapon Master's Strike and Daggers clearly work with Mighty Blade (yes, I remembered to wait for the Daggers buff to wear off).

    WMS


    Daggers


    IBS... is a different story (see below).

    Now, there are three other questions I were wondering:

    Does Steel Blitz damage get modified if you hit multiple targets?

    Sadly, it does not.



    Notice that the initial hit hit for 695.5 when spamming Sure Strike, and also hit for 695.5 when I was hitting multiple targets with Wicked Strike.

    (Before you ask: the rounding isn't quite right on the tooltip, the R3 should deal 70% of weapon damage but actually deals 69.55%. Keep in mind that GF's Steel Blitz exhibits this weird rounding property too).

    Does weapon enchantment (specifically, Lightning) damage get modified?

    Considering Mighty Blade is a buff and weapon enchants scale with buffs... yes, Mighty Blade will scale your weapon enchantments.



    Compare the Lightning proc from Sure Strike (267.5) to the ones which hit with Wicked Strike (294.3). The difference is roughly 10% (267.5* 1.1 = 294.25) because I hit multiple targets with Wicked Strike.

    Does IBS damage change if you hit multiple targets?



    Note that, according to @wickedduck22#9795, your IBS damage actually gets reduced if your IBS strikes multiple targets in a single hit. So, I had to check another way...



    If you can excuse that I had to use the pinata of @flensburger99 (check the base damage rather than damage including effectiveness)... I checked this time without feats.

    And, curiously, it seems the IBS damage when striking multiple targets without Mighty Blade seems to do more damage than if you used Mighty Blade

    I am honestly confused by this. The difference between the multi hitted feated (3613) IBS and nonfeated (4028.8) was roughly 11-12% (4028.8/3613 = 1.1508), which bugs me.

    I can't figure out if it's just me, or if Mighty Blade with multi hit IBS is actually bugged, since lots of people are using the PE training dummies (the only dummies that are close enough for IBS to strike multiple targets).

  • nevertwinevertwi Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 80 Arc User
    edited January 2018
    Does IBS damage change if you hit multiple targets?

    Fast Check on lvl 70 toon using rank 1 IBS with 18 Strength:

    Formula:
    (Approximated GWFs Lvl 70 Basedamage+Weapondamage)*IBS Skillkoefficient*IBS SkillRankCoefficient* IBSTargetCoefficient*Strength = (173.31+1000)*2.7*1.0*1*1.08 = 3421.37
    with IBS TargetCoefficient:
    • 1 Target: 1
    • 2 Targets: 0.8
    • 3 Targets: 0.6
    Combatlogdata:
    • IBS 1 target: 3421.37
      Time::testchar,P[testchar],,*,Target Dummy,C[108292 Entity_Targetdummy],Indomitable Battle Strike,Pn.161v3q,Physical,,3421.37,0

    • IBS 2 targets / no feat: 2737.1 = 0.8x IBS on 1 target
      Time::testchar,P[testchar],,*,Target Dummy,C[108294 Entity_Targetdummy],Indomitable Battle Strike,Pn.161v3q,Physical,,2737.1,0
      Time::testchar,P[testchar],,*,Target Dummy,C[108292 Entity_Targetdummy],Indomitable Battle Strike,Pn.161v3q,Physical,,2737.1,0

    • IBS 2 targets / Mighty Blade: 3010.81 = 1,1x0.8x IBS on 1 target
      Time::testchar,P[testchar],,*,Target Dummy,C[108294 Entity_Targetdummy],Indomitable Battle Strike,Pn.161v3q,Physical,,3010.81,0
      Time::testchar,P[testchar],,*,Target Dummy,C[108292 Entity_Targetdummy],Indomitable Battle Strike,Pn.161v3q,Physical,,3010.81,0

    According to your first IBS on 2 targets with the feat Mighty Blade, it hitted for (173.31+1000)*2.7*1.2*0.8*1.08*1.1 = 3612.97 damage.
    The right value for IBS on 2 targets without the Mighty Blade would be: (173.31+1000)*2.7*1.2*0.8*1.08 = 3284.5
    But your hit was higher, so it was probably buffed by an outer source.
    Post edited by nevertwi on
  • gromovnipljesak#8234 gromovnipljesak
    gromovnipljesak#8234
         Member Posts: 1,053 Arc User
    nevertwi said:

    Does IBS damage change if you hit multiple targets?

    Fast Check on lvl 70 toon using rank 1 IBS with 18 Strength:

    Formula:
    (Approximated GWFs Lvl 70 Basedamage+Weapondamage)*IBS Skillkoefficient*IBS SkillRankCoefficient* IBSTargetCoefficient*Strength = (173.31+1000)*2.7*1.0*1*1.08 = 3421.37
    with IBS TargetCoefficient:
    • 1 Target: 1
    • 2 Targets: 0.8
    • 3 Targets: 0.6
    Combatlogdata:
    • IBS 1 target: 3421.37
      Time::testchar,P[testchar],,*,Target Dummy,C[108292 Entity_Targetdummy],Indomitable Battle Strike,Pn.161v3q,Physical,,3421.37,0

    • IBS 2 targets / no feat: 2737.1 = 0.8x IBS on 1 target
      Time::testchar,P[testchar],,*,Target Dummy,C[108294 Entity_Targetdummy],Indomitable Battle Strike,Pn.161v3q,Physical,,2737.1,0
      Time::testchar,P[testchar],,*,Target Dummy,C[108292 Entity_Targetdummy],Indomitable Battle Strike,Pn.161v3q,Physical,,2737.1,0

    • IBS 2 targets / Mighty Blade: 3010.81 = 1,1x0.8x IBS on 1 target
      Time::testchar,P[testchar],,*,Target Dummy,C[108294 Entity_Targetdummy],Indomitable Battle Strike,Pn.161v3q,Physical,,3010.81,0
      Time::testchar,P[testchar],,*,Target Dummy,C[108292 Entity_Targetdummy],Indomitable Battle Strike,Pn.161v3q,Physical,,3010.81,0

    According to your first IBS on 2 targets with the feat Mighty Blade, it hitted for (173.31+1000)*2.7*1.2*0.8*1.08*1.1 = 3612.97 damage.
    The right value for IBS on 2 targets without the Mighty Blade would be: (173.31+1000)*2.7*1.2*0.8*1.08 = 3284.5
    But your hit was higher, so it was probably buffed by an outer source.
    So in short, IBS+Mighty blade does work, but due to the multi target reductions with IBS, it doesn't end up adding damage, it just reduces it by less?
  • nevertwinevertwi Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 80 Arc User
    gromovnipljesak#8234 said:


    So in short, IBS+Mighty blade does work, but due to the multi target reductions with IBS, it doesn't end up adding damage, it just reduces it by less?

    Yes, when compared to the single target IBS, it is a valid viewpoint. I prefer seeing it as a "1.1 multiplier on multiple hits" though, as the feat increase the dmg of several powers.

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