Buff Coordination

chemjeff

Greetings,
What are some good strategies for buff coordination between a DC's buffs and buffs from others in the party? Or even just among the DC's own buffs? Of particular interest are the buffs from AC DC.

almondum

Hello chem,

(Right now Break the Spirit and Forgemaster's Flame are both bugged in empowered mode and do not provide damage increasing buff to the group)

When I have a fellow DO cleric in group, usually their opener power is HG when we pull mobs /attack boss. As AC I use Anoited Army, tht way both dailies are active simultaneously. After that try to keep AA active on everyone and make sure to hit your fellow DC to help him with HG cooldown - Hastening Light (some DOs don't need it, while others do). This way both dailies will be active simultaneously more often.
As for empowered buffs, usually it's not hard for both DCs to have their empowered buff always active during the fights, each DC choses which buff their will cast, and that's it. Speak with your fellow DC and decide who takes each power.

If there is stuggle though, and you wish to have both buffs active at same time, you can listen and hear/count the ammount of times your fellow's divine powers were used and predict when the empowered power will be used. You can also look at the buffs bar, but it's always "full" and "flowing" so I struggle with that and just count. With that you can prepare your stacks and use the empowered power with your fellow DC simultaneously.

Good luck!
Almondum

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durugudesu

ren047 said:

Buff coordination requires coordination. In situations where this is needed (few places really) one of the DCs will ask the other about his/her rotaion and both adapt.

With the current bugs in FF and BtS, what's the reason to coordinate really?

You coordinate if you want smooth-er runs.

empowered EXALT would be one of the choices of an AC DC, for a DO on non boss fights i usually go empowered DG, empowered PoD on bosses(I have no dps on my DO DC).

chemjeff

For empowered Exaltation how do you decide which DPS gets the buff? Also is there a better time to cast it relative to other buff s from GF etc?

almondum

I usually Buff the main dps of the group. Right now it's usually a GWF, but any decently geared dps will do, I even buffed GF once as he was blowing up the paingiver chart.
Edit: there is this useful macro for exaltation you might like:
https://www.arcgames.com/en/forums/neverwinter#/discussion/1231531/simple-keybinds-for-pve

durugudesu

chemjeff said:

For empowered Exaltation how do you decide which DPS gets the buff? Also is there a better time to cast it relative to other buff s from GF etc?

Just let them fight a bit, and look at paingiver, if its a large difference then clearly buff that one, if close then choose one and check again at a later time. XD

Always keep the buff active is my motto. you can empowered exalt, then after casting that gather diviinity to make up full empowered exalt, etc etc. it is all up to you~

rjc9000

A general purpose thing I have noticed is that playing/understanding how other classes work helps tremendously for learning to time your buffs/debuffs, as you understand and can read the signs of big things happening (ex: on GWF, is the GWF tossing out Hidden Daggers and preparing Slam? They're about to use their Determination/IBS, so prepare to apply buffs).

In a world where EmpBtS/EmpFF are working and I'm on DC, I normally play off the other DC (in a situation where DO takes EmpBtS and AC takes EmpFF).

If I'm the DO, I normally check what the AC is doing. Generally, if I hear FF being spammed, I know that's my cue to apply EmpBtS (Since EmpFF will follow up shortly afterwards).

If I'm the AC, I try to work around the DO. How fast is the DO in getting up EmpBtS? If they're extremely fast, then I'll pre-cast mine. If they're extremely slow, I'll just keep up FF, as FF is fast enough that it's reasonably easy to keep it up 24/7.

chemjeff said:

For empowered Exaltation how do you decide which DPS gets the buff? Also is there a better time to cast it relative to other buff s from GF etc?

Right now, because EmpBtS/EmpFF are not working, you can pretty much spam Exa/Divine DG really easily and never have to worry about the uptime.

In a situation when EmpBtS/EmpFF are working, you ideally want to apply your buffs a second before/just as the GF appplies ITF so that way, your team gets their signal to bring the pain. From experience as a GF and as a DC, a GF's ITF application can vary depending on the GF.

-If your GF is a well-geared/semi-competent Tactician or Protector (or Conqueror tank, not all Conquerors are DPS), then you can pretty much count ITF being up 24/7. All you have to do is fire your buffs on your DPS when your other DC applies their buffs.

-If your GF is a Conqueror DPS, then patience and observation is needed, as Conqs normally have awful Recovery and won't be able to permaspam ITF (unless you have an OP in the team).

Obverse when the GF uses ITF: is the GF using it after casting KC? Before casting KC? Using it when another buff is going active (ex: Longstriders)? Or randomly casting?

-If your GF is extremely nice/observant, s/he will apply ITF when you DC(s) apply your Emp buffs. Then, all you need to do is to coordinate your buffs with the other DC.

blindnirvana

Why mix DO and AC instead of AC and AC? AC has 2 different feated powershares (BattleFevor in virtuous) anything with a powershare would trump terrifying insight because of it being multiplied by other classes's powershares. With hastening light, shepherds devotion and ancient warding (feat in righteous that gives 5% ap when AA ends) one would be able to do hallowed and have 2xAA up np.

rjc9000

blindnirvana said:

Why mix DO and AC instead of AC and AC? AC has 2 different feated powershares (BattleFevor in virtuous) anything with a powershare would trump terrifying insight because of it being multiplied by other classes's powershares. With hastening light, shepherds devotion and ancient warding (feat in righteous that gives 5% ap when AA ends) one would be able to do hallowed and have 2xAA up np.

I will press @michela123 's berserk button. No, not the ones involving jokes, the ones involving multiple DCs using AA.

Contrary to what the animation tells you, AA and Battle Fervor does not stack twice. Each AA only overrides the power-share of the previous AA and the AA mitigation only lasts for 4 hits (or 10 sec duration).

putzboy78

rjc9000 said:

blindnirvana said:

Why mix DO and AC instead of AC and AC? AC has 2 different feated powershares (BattleFevor in virtuous) anything with a powershare would trump terrifying insight because of it being multiplied by other classes's powershares. With hastening light, shepherds devotion and ancient warding (feat in righteous that gives 5% ap when AA ends) one would be able to do hallowed and have 2xAA up np.

I will press @michela123 's berserk button. No, not the ones involving jokes, the ones involving multiple DCs using AA.

Contrary to what the animation tells you, AA and Battle Fervor does not stack twice. Each AA only overrides the power-share of the previous AA and the AA mitigation only lasts for 4 hits (or 10 sec duration).

Further to that, only DO has access to Terrifying Insight and PoD. And they removed the AC DC from being able to loop powershare off each other.

blindnirvana

Ahhh that makes sense

clericalist

Probably stating the obvious for most reading this, but just in case somebody doesn't know, a lot of the buffs don't stack so don't repeat other party members. I have done so many skirmishes where another cleric casts Hallowed Ground a few seconds after mine, a complete waste, so always wait to cast second in PUGs.

mebengalsfan

If you are an AC/DC and have enough recovery you can perma spam AA all day. If you are a DO/DC you don't need as much recovery due to Hallow Ground having a cool down and with Terrifying always being up, that is less of an issue.

As for other classes and preparing when you use your ability and what, not...I simply wait until I see ITF by a GF or other indicators to ensure all group members get maximum benefits.

putzboy78

you can make HG perma which will cost you around 22K recovery as a DO. In a 2 DC configuration your goal would be to try and perma AA and HG.

mebengalsfan

putzboy78 said:

you can make HG perma which will cost you around 22K recovery as a DO. In a 2 DC configuration your goal would be to try and perma AA and HG.

I max recovery through my companion. I max power on my character. Best way to do it. I'm not there to DPS as a DC; I'm there to heal or buff and typically it is the later.

If I was going full on DPS, I would be using brutals on my companion gear.