Maximizing an artifact

prodrugz

How much AD does it cost (and with what) to upgrade an artifact from zero(uncommon) to max(mythic) .. without an Event ON...?

Or

How much reinforcement point does it need to reach from uncommon to mythic...?

minotaur2857

https://neverwinter.gamepedia.com/Artifact the table is at the bottom

samaka

Well, the AD cost will vary significantly depending on what RP you buy and what people are selling it for.

As per the link in the post above it takes 10,469,635 RP to get an artifact to Mythic quality from scratch. You also need to factor in the costs of the various marks and wards used to upgrade the artifact, again these will vary in price. There really is no way to give you a price in AD for upgrading as there are too many variables involved.

However, upgrading artifacts during a 2xRP event using feeder artifacts really is the best way to do an upgrade. Instead of costing 10.4 mil RP (not during an event) to upgrade an artifact it would only cost you about 600k RP, plus the cost of the 6 feeder artifacts... which will still be much cheaper than the cost of the RP would be, especially if you buy them when the prices are lower!

For example, I got 6 union feeders for 15k each a month or so ago so I can upgrade an artifact to mythic this 2xRP event. I also use Quartermaster Enchants and make Enchanted Coffers via Leadership. I farm Dread Ring for Greater Marks and I got a ton of Preservation Wards from the Summer Festival so my only true cost was the feeder artifacts themselves. If you plan ahead for 2xRP events, and 2xEnchant/Runestone events you can upgrade a lot of artifacts really cheaply!

Search for "Neverwinter Feeder Artifacts" on your favorite search engine for plenty of articles and/or videos on how the process works in detail!

archangelzorak01

I happen to have a spreadsheet for this. I updated prices a few days ago so it should still be relatively accurate. My sheet does not calculate the cost of marks or pres. wards since I have no need for calculating that cost. Also due to the nature of RNG associated with pres. wards its really not helpful to try to calculate the cost unless you were planning on upgrading 10 or more artifacts all in one go. anyway, here's my data.

(all prices use an average cost of enchants/runestones of all types)

Using Rank 4's would cost 1,832,186 AD worth of RP + marks + pres. wards (38,776 units)
Using Rank 5's would cost 2,241,762 AD worth of RP + marks + pres. wards (9,694 units)
Using Rank 6's isnt really a valid argument, cuz reasons. (2,424 units) (appr. 606 Spoils of War)
Using Rank 7 Enchants would cost 3,072,729 AD worth of RP + marks + pres. wards. (1,212 units)
Using Rank 7 Runestones would cost 3,756,163 AD worth of RP + marks + pres. wards. (1,212 units)

reg1981

I know you wanted info WITHOUT a 2xRP event but here is some info WITH the event as it's coming very soon!

Use feeder artifacts during an event and it's very cheap! You only need about 185k in refinement and 5 green artifacts of the same type.

I'll try to find the link for you to the math but essentially it's this:

Put your refinement into the first green artifact, complete the refine with the required marks.
Put feeder 1 into feeder 2, complete the necessary refine.
Feeder 2 into Feeder 3, refine it.
F3 into F4, refine it.
F4 into F5, refine it.
Put Feeder 5 into the artifact you with to have mythic and refine it. Done!

Without an 2XRP event this doesn't work.

Essentially you can get a mythic artifact with 2.5 stacks of rank 4 enchants lol

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micky1p00

defiantone99 said:

From https://www.reddit.com/r/Neverwinter/comments/3n86cl/xboxhow_to_refining_mythic_artifacts/ -Now here is the breakdown for 1 mythic:

4 level 59 feeders

2 blank artifacts

All marks to upgrade 2 epics and 6 blues

600k base refinement to create feeders

You take the feeders and place two of each into the blank artifacts and upgrade them to epic, depending on crits this will land you around 91-94, now once you've made two of these during 2x you'll see they are worth a whopping 5m rp each, now combine these into your mythic target artifact and boom, you've just made a maxed out artifact. 10m rp is much easier to obtain when its done the proper way. I will add that I recommend feeding everything about 10-15 runes short of what it may need to give yourself some wiggle room for crits. This is especially true when refining the target artifact to mythic because if one lvl 94 feeder crits it could finish your whole artifact in one shot.

While a working method, it isn't the cheapest, wasn't back then, and not now with relatively low mark price, and higher RP costs than the good old days.

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micky1p00

defiantone99 said:

micky1p00 said:

defiantone99 said:

From https://www.reddit.com/r/Neverwinter/comments/3n86cl/xboxhow_to_refining_mythic_artifacts/ -Now here is the breakdown for 1 mythic:

4 level 59 feeders

2 blank artifacts

All marks to upgrade 2 epics and 6 blues

600k base refinement to create feeders

You take the feeders and place two of each into the blank artifacts and upgrade them to epic, depending on crits this will land you around 91-94, now once you've made two of these during 2x you'll see they are worth a whopping 5m rp each, now combine these into your mythic target artifact and boom, you've just made a maxed out artifact. 10m rp is much easier to obtain when its done the proper way. I will add that I recommend feeding everything about 10-15 runes short of what it may need to give yourself some wiggle room for crits. This is especially true when refining the target artifact to mythic because if one lvl 94 feeder crits it could finish your whole artifact in one shot.

While a working method, it isn't the cheapest, wasn't back then, and not now with relatively low mark price, and higher RP costs than the good old days.

What method do you recommend?

http://janne.coreside.com/tools/artifactrp

press calc -> wait, for optimal result fill in all the prices
(chrome, fox, edge, anything not old IE)

The feeding method always depends on the current prices, at high artifact costs, and low RP costs you want to use less feeders.
At high mark costs you want to limit to 59, at cheap mark costs you can go over and save RP
And so on

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samaka

The feeder system works best if you can get your RP for free via Leadership coffers and Quartermaster/Dragon Horde enchantments. There is so much free RP available that buying RP really shouldn't be necessary. As mentioned above buy your feeder artifacts between 2xRP events when they are significantly cheaper, if you watch the AH you can find great deals as well from time-to-time.

@archangelzorak01 what are you basing those numbers on? The AH doesn't have static pricing, so are you using an average of prices or something? Those numbers will go up during and leading up to a 2xRP event as well. AH pricing is pretty volatile so I find it odd you have such specific pricing. Also, why do you think using Rank 6's isn't a valid option?

archangelzorak01

What I usually do is update my prices every couple weeks or so, since its just a personal spreadsheet I'll usually use it when I'm preparing to upgrade artifacts or enchants.

I initially designed the spreadsheet as a tool to gauge the relative value of all RP items, from R4 enchants to Thaum and Resonance stones, peridots through diamonds and even shattered necklaces and shields and the like. The spreadsheet calculates the "AD cost:RP value" ratio and spits out a graph telling me what has the greatest value so I know what is best to buy or sell on any given day or when I'm preparing my stockpiles to upgrade artifacts or enchants.

Over time the spreadsheet has grown in complexity and now includes valuations of Leadership tasks, approximate values of Resonance and Thaum bags, enchanted coffers. I can input how many characters I want to use leadership on, how often I plan on resetting the tasks and it will spit out my approximate monthly income. Later I expanded on a Tarmalune tradebar valuation sheet which can approximate the best thing to buy with tarm bars based on current AH prices and expected monthly income using daily keys (or more if I input extra keys opened into the sheet). More recently I've added more sheets to gauge the profit margins for Guild Marks as well as Mod 12 craftable items and I'm soon to be adding a Masterwork sheet.

If I were ever to clean up and publish the sheet as a useful tool for the community I would have to average prices based on data collected over time; but as I said earlier I just use it for my own personal needs so I feel no need to average things out to get better representations of expected costs. I understand that any prices or costs my spreadsheet spits out will be rough estimates based on current market data (that I have to input manually) and not definite concrete values.

One of the most useful things the sheet does is tell me how many of a given RP unit I need to upgrade a specific item. Say I want to upgrade a pile of Rank 8's to Rank 10's to sell them. I can look at how many rank 5's or Thaum stones I will need to go up each level. I would then move the amount needed + 10% from storage to where it needs to be for the actual refinement process.

Or if I know I want to make 5 Rank 12 enchants and upgrade 2 artifacts during an upcoming double refinement event, I can access my sheet and know how much RP I need to stockpile to guarantee I'll have enough to complete my desired tasks. As we all know, nothing is worse than running out of RP during 2xRP event before we've reached our goals.

archangelzorak01

About the Rank 6's.

I don't consider Rank 6's to be a viable 'purchaseable' option. I personally use mostly Rank 6's to upgrade my stuff because I have multiple characters with Rank 12 quartermaster enchants. Since those rank 6's are bound and there are very few sources of unbound rank 6's I don't consider them a market commodity.

samaka

Wow, ty for the info, that sounds like one heck of a tool you've built yourself there!

I think a lot of people, myself included, would love to play with the spreadsheet(s) you've created... if you ever release it, or make a cleaned up version and need testers, please feel free to send me a PM!

reg1981

Here is the link to the method I use and posted above! I use this faithfully and it's gotten me where I need to be

https://arcgames.com/en/forums/neverwinter/#/discussion/comment/12926824

I do not take credit for the maths below, they are the work of ltsmithneko in the post above. I can however confirm they work great!


Fine Print: You must upgrade the feeders everytime they reach the "ready to upgrade" or you'll lose out on rp.
Only use the same type of feeders, Union to Union etc, same goes for the last feeder going into your artifact.

• 5x Feeder Artifacts
  
• 2x Refinement Points Event
  
• 185,735rp per mythic Which is next to nothing during 2xRP (2.5 Stacks of R4 if memory serves me)
  

[Feeder #1] - Used 185,735rp
R52 - Base vaule is 91,750rp 1x, but into a similar artifact, during 2x is 10x.
10x - 917,500rp
[Throw feeder 1 into Feeder 2]

[Feeder #2]
R76 - Base Value is 239,950
10x - 2,399,500rp
[Throw Feeder 2 into Feeder 3]

[Feeder #3]
R91 - Base Value is 472,830rp
10x - 4,728,300rp
[Throw Feeder 3 into Feeder 4]

[Feeder #4]
R105 - Base Value is 704,430rp
10x - 7,044,300rp
[Throw Feeder 4 into Feeder 5]

[Feeder #5]
R119 - Base Value is 1,050,930rp
10x - 10,509,300rp
[Throw Feeder 5 into your needed mythic artifact]

micky1p00

reg1981 said:

Here is the link to the method I use and posted above! I use this faithfully and it's gotten me where I need to be

https://arcgames.com/en/forums/neverwinter/#/discussion/comment/12926824

I do not take credit for the maths below, they are the work of ltsmithneko in the post above. I can however confirm they work great!


Fine Print: You must upgrade the feeders everytime they reach the "ready to upgrade" or you'll lose out on rp.
Only use the same type of feeders, Union to Union etc, same goes for the last feeder going into your artifact.

• 5x Feeder Artifacts
  
• 2x Refinement Points Event
  
• 185,735rp per mythic Which is next to nothing during 2xRP (2.5 Stacks of R4 if memory serves me)
  

[Feeder #1] - Used 185,735rp
R52 - Base vaule is 91,750rp 1x, but into a similar artifact, during 2x is 10x.
10x - 917,500rp
[Throw feeder 1 into Feeder 2]

[Feeder #2]
R76 - Base Value is 239,950
10x - 2,399,500rp
[Throw Feeder 2 into Feeder 3]

[Feeder #3]
R91 - Base Value is 472,830rp
10x - 4,728,300rp
[Throw Feeder 3 into Feeder 4]

[Feeder #4]
R105 - Base Value is 704,430rp
10x - 7,044,300rp
[Throw Feeder 4 into Feeder 5]

[Feeder #5]
R119 - Base Value is 1,050,930rp
10x - 10,509,300rp
[Throw Feeder 5 into your needed mythic artifact]

Unfortunately this is extremely expensive in comparison to other feeder methods due to getting artifacts over rank 100.

Over Rank 93 or so you are loosing RP relatively. For example:
Getting from rank 97 to 98 takes 176k RP
97 worth as feeder 5,617,900
98 worth as feeder 5,743,100

Net gain in RP from ranking the feeder (98-97 - cost): 5,743,100 - 5,617,900 - 176000 = -50800
So you get a net loss of RP worth

And yet the larger cost is in the wards and marks to rank up over 100 and this method does it 2 times.
Essentially bringing the entire cost much higher than it should can be and in significant amount (just the wards and marks, 5gmops + 2 typed marks x2 = 10gmops + 4marks => + wards = over-payments of about 200k AD)
When the optimal total cost is about 450k AD (cost without the upgrade costs of the target artifact = wards and marks)

xxxhansolxxx

Here is a 6 feeders method we've been using for a while, which dont require to get feeders to legendary.

http://darkpastry.enjin.com/forumalliance/m/39607166/viewthread/28288080-using-artifacts-as-feeders