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Weapon enchant for maxed out CW MOD 12
dicoum
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My CW is SS Thaum / and Mof Thaum loadouts
Everthing is maxed out i think :
Arp 88% Crit chance varies between 98---102% i i have approx 110 crit severity (food and buff ) and even more crit severity when using MOF . 60K Power with bonding.
Which weapon enchant would great for CW mod 12. I am moving away from T lightning due to aggro (No great soloing mod 12).
Not considering dread as i have high AP gain + Legendary Snail + Sigil of devoted i do a daily after every 3 or 4 encounter powers sometimes 2 .
is Holy avenger something useful to CW given its extract utility (When playing with weak or PUG group i could combine with legendary lion for extra survival ) would it kill my DPS ? maybe vorpal is the best at this point. Or bilethorn instead any suggestion
I will only play mod 12 content and may be FBI
Everthing is maxed out i think :
Arp 88% Crit chance varies between 98---102% i i have approx 110 crit severity (food and buff ) and even more crit severity when using MOF . 60K Power with bonding.
Which weapon enchant would great for CW mod 12. I am moving away from T lightning due to aggro (No great soloing mod 12).
Not considering dread as i have high AP gain + Legendary Snail + Sigil of devoted i do a daily after every 3 or 4 encounter powers sometimes 2 .
is Holy avenger something useful to CW given its extract utility (When playing with weak or PUG group i could combine with legendary lion for extra survival ) would it kill my DPS ? maybe vorpal is the best at this point. Or bilethorn instead any suggestion
I will only play mod 12 content and may be FBI
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You'll do a fair bit worse in aoe, but better in single target, assuming you use the same rotations you used with your lightning.
Holy is better the shorter the fight is, bile is better for longer fights. Which one you should use depends on how good your groups are.
That's my understanding anyways, I personally don't have either bile or holy to try them out.
Are you on PC? If yes, you can hop on preview and grab a cheap copy of all t. enchants to play around yourself
On a side note: make sure you stack HP when you're with an OP using guild boon and radiants (possibly even subbing in Psion's Shroud for the extra HP). That's because as a CW you proc Aura of Courage a lot and it can make up a sizeable portion of your dps.
As far as holy vs terror, to roughly quote rjc - it depends on the length of the fight, they have the same % weapon damage boost so holy wins in quick fights where its extra damage proc is active, terror wins in long fights where the extra constant debuff becomes more valuable.
@dairyzeus So for single target with CoI on mastery, IT, RoE and Disintegrate you'd say even Lightning should win against Vorpal with this rotation, but using Vorpal and single target spells (I'm not sure what's the best rotation, I'd say CoI on mastery and CS, RoE and Disintegrate) would be better overall? Another thing I was wondering about is that with high HP build for AoC would proc rotation on single target with Lightning (or other proc enchant like Terror) be better than single target spells with Vorpal when you have OP in party, and without OP, the other way around? I'm running two loadouts, one with Icy Veins for trash (CoI on mastery, IT, Dis and ST) and second with Abyss of Chaos (CoI, IT/CS, Dis and RoE) for single target, using Fey weapons with Lightning currently, but I'll be making Mirage set for single target (as they multiproc a lot of things) and have only Vorpal i could use for them or try to get another proc enchant like Terror. I don't know what's the price of Feytouched on PC now when it drops from lockboxes, but if it went down drastically on PC, I'll may get one for single target when mod 12 hits consoles.
For me, in single target I've always found feytouched/vorpal with CoI, disintegrate, RoE, and chill strike to be the most damage.
Depending on the amount of debuffs in your group you can drop RoE for either icy rays, repel, or sudden storm.
However, I know a lot of wizards that swear by the proc rotation and a %weapon damage enchant. I've never gotten better performance out of it, but that may just be me. Even with aura of courage, I do better with my single target rotation.
Without access to ACT myself, that's about the best I can say.
But, then again... according to felt pen... "GWF is CW with a sword".
Close enough approximation?
I tried Sudden Storm but I don't feel it. I just prefer Steal Time, I like to jump in the middle of enemies to drop IT and just go with the rest from there. I'm in a small guild so I only have 2k Power (soon to be 3k) and 3.2k Defense, but the 14% Life Steal works well enough for me.
Are you suggesting running Abyss instead Icy Veins for trash heavy dungeons (eToS, eCC, eGWD, Spellplague)? I guess when there's another CW with Icy Veins there's no point running it too (e.g. in FBI), but freezing everything is fun.
I often run with MoF Rene, sometimes with another CW who uses Icy Veins and also RoE on single target. So then which one would be better - Icy Rays or Repel? I don't consider Sudden Storm because it's AoE and isn't boosted by Focused Wizardry (or should I?).
I'll try single target rotation with Vorpal and Mirage set in few days.
Speaking of Vorpal, if you like to use the Crit Severity consumables or use the Rene feat with moar Crit Severity and have high Combat Advantage, Fey will likely start beating Vorpal for your character. All the more reason to try out Fey.
As for SS, hit SS right after your animation slams down the IT. and make sure your options are set to auto fire. The SS animation will begin where the IT animation ends...from the ground, with one button press.
ROE should not be replaced on Single target, unless the group can cap the buffs. If you are to replace ROE, use repel.
Mirage set procs AOC by the way. I do not have it, I use Relic /Fey weapons.
Also, as you so rightfully pointed out, party comps can change things quite a bit. If you run with the same group frequently, then adapting to that group dynamic is much more efficient than trying to run a "lone wolf" build.
Another "blew Monster Energy Drink through my nose moment" at "felt pen"
You should always switch loadouts for bosses though if you can. If its a dungeon where you can't (MSVA being the big one) I'd just run the single target feats with aoe powers and weapon enchantment, then switch for the boss phase.
I still need to do some testing with which RoE replacement I like the most. I almost always run RoE for single target just to be sure we're at the cap.
I will say the reason people still like sudden storm for single target is because of elemental empowerment. The idea being 5% extra damage makes up for the lower damage of the skill.
I've never been sold on that though. Whenever I tried subbing in sudden storm for chill strike or RoE I've always done significantly worse.
BOSS: COI/ROE/CS/DIS
BOSS (CAPPED DEBUFF): COI/CS/DIS/REPEL
Rare to not run ROE
@niadan Oh, right. In large group content like HEs I usually even go with MoF Rene (CC, SoD) if I don't see another one around. It makes things melt. I have two unused MoF Thaum loadouts so I could use them for another Abyss one. Just to be clear on RoE, the debuff doesn't stack when two CWs use it, right? So if there is RoE used by another CW, it's better to run something else?
@dairyzeus Yeah, I love all the stuns combined from Icy Veins, ST and OF. I always switch to Abyss for bosses if possible (Spellplague is a pain because of bugged campfires, so I'm either running Abyss on trash, or Icy Veins on 2nd boss, I know, could use teleport). For mSVA I usually run Abyss and just switch ST to RoE for boss. In nSVA though I just kill myself before the boss to switch lol.
@niadad I checked RoE on dummies and it doesn't stack.
About the replacement for RoE on boss. Is Repel the best damage wise? Testing on dummy with max Arcane and Chill stacks Icy Rays hits for more than Repel, plus Icy Rays procs weapon enchantments and Aura of Courage twice which would make it better with Fey, and generates more AP but has longer cooldown.
Can i ask finally what are best single target enchantment for CW at the moment given that lightning is not great for single targets
Though before the hijack, I did give reason for using Feytouch about 4 posts into the thread. It is also important to understand why we are suggesting what to use, and answer / discuss what mechanics influence said choice. So please do not take it as a hijack, more of a learning experience.
I thought the same about icy rays, but was advised by Sharpie to use repel. Probably due to short cooldown. However he also did not see that there would really be a reason NOT to use ROE since meeting the cap would be harder in mod 12. @thefabricant can chime in if he wishes.
As for ROE, did you test the debuff AND the dot? I understand that the dot does not stack (it gets refreshed) but was under the assumption (false?) That the debuff would stack with more than one CW. To be honest, I always run with ROE just because of the debuff and am usually the only CW.
@dicoum I guess for CW in particular it's not as easy as for other classes to point out one definitive answer, as many things depend on even more things, such as number of procs, rotation or even the weapon set itself (mentioned Mirage set).
One more thing about Feytouched, it can't be used together with Icy Terrain due to the bug currently, right? I hope it'll get fixed eventually so IT with Fey increasing AoC damage will be a beast on single target.