Vorpal vs Feytouched

manipulos

I know I've seen this talked about before, but I wanted to get some opinions. I was thinking about trading my vorpal for a feytouched because I know for now the feytouched would be better, but with a dps loadout when I eventually get close to 100% crit is the vorpal really that much better? I was looking at @rjc9000 's weapon enchant testing and it looks like 90% crit is the tipping point between the two enchants. I'm not close to 100% crit at all right now, I think around 60% crit with reckless and steel grace, rage drake and a food buff. My goal is all rank10's at next double refinement, might be able to get higher on at least my companion enchants. Basically I'm several months away from all rank 12 enchants, and not even sure if that would get me to 100% crit using Brutals instead of Azure.

I'm not sure if I could even trade a trans vorpal for trans feytouched straight across, but don't want to regret my decision later.

When I swap to my tactician loadout for dungeons I swap into my trans frost, not sure if I would even bother most of the time if I had the feytouched.

rjc9000

Get the Feytouched.

Fey is good if you have low Crit AND is good if you have too much Critical Severity (and Combat Advantage).

If you're using my graphs, try manipulating some of the Crit Severity and Combat Advantage portions. You'll notice the DPS increase of Vorpal will go down by doing that, which, in realistic terms, would be the bonus Critical Severity you get from food buffs (Squash Soup/Wild Storm/Superior Potency Flask).

In addition, Feytouched is far more versatile and has uses other than DPS GF. Feytouched is decent on a Tankadin, okay for a SW who knows how to multi-proc, merely okay on a GWF, and even has uses for an ultra-defensive GF setup.

dairyzeus

So first I'll say that yes you can get 100% crit with all brutals. With only 1 double offense ring on me and my companion I'm sitting around 92% with only 3 pieces of relic gear (non vivified), no buffs used.

I'm not entirely sure how much better fey touched is at lower crit levels, but I can say that I still did really solid dps back when my crit was around the 70% range.

However, what enchantment you should be running is entirely dependent on what type of GF you want to be. I'd only recommend going with vorpal and 100% crit if you want to be the "DPS first, tank 2nd" route.

If instead you'd like to be a conqueror with good damage, that can still solo tank endgame content comfortably with little support, then feytouched and sacrificing a bit of crit for more defensive stats can easily be the right choice.

manipulos

You guys are awesome, thanks for the fast replies!

My eventual goal is your second one dairyzeus. I'm just over 12k item level and already feeling tanky in my conqueror loadout, but that's because I have my dancing shield at purple with rank 12 bondings. All my enchants are rank 8 except 3 rank 9 black ice in defense on companion, so I have a ton of room for improvement.

cilginordek

Fey is also better for PvP

sadus671

manipulos said:

You guys are awesome, thanks for the fast replies!

My eventual goal is your second one dairyzeus. I'm just over 12k item level and already feeling tanky in my conqueror loadout, but that's because I have my dancing shield at purple with rank 12 bondings. All my enchants are rank 8 except 3 rank 9 black ice in defense on companion, so I have a ton of room for improvement.

Also just remember... you don't have to be one thing.

With loadouts... you just need to carry extra gear with you.

So you can be all out DPS for trivial/farming content.... full tank for content that is challenging for yourself and your party... or in between... if you have a high gear score level group that will melt mobs and just need you to keep them off them.

manipulos

I have another quick question:

If multiple people in a party/queue group/trial have Feytouched does that cause the damage "siphon" to only work for one person? I'm guessing if that's the case it would be the first person to hit the target(s) with an encounter power.

dairyzeus

manipulos said:

I have another quick question:

If multiple people in a party/queue group/trial have Feytouched does that cause the damage "siphon" to only work for one person? I'm guessing if that's the case it would be the first person to hit the target(s) with an encounter power.

That used to be the case, but has been fixed. There should be no issues with multiple feytouched enchantments in a group.

manipulos

dairyzeus said:

manipulos said:

I have another quick question:

If multiple people in a party/queue group/trial have Feytouched does that cause the damage "siphon" to only work for one person? I'm guessing if that's the case it would be the first person to hit the target(s) with an encounter power.

That used to be the case, but has been fixed. There should be no issues with multiple feytouched enchantments in a group.

Awesome thank you, I wanted to verify before I recommended to guildmates that are newer to the game to pick up a feytouched while they are so cheap during this current lockbox.

rjc9000

One thing to note about Feytouched is that it only procs off encounters.

Thankfully, Knight's Challenge procs the buff. So, you'll have it when you need it, but if you're stingy with your encounters like I am, then you probably won't have it up for a majority of the fight.

kemi1984

I'm probably the one that has a bit too much CA damage and Severity so....I was constantly changing Vorpal and Fey and it drives me nuts! (my first write was "buts!" decided to write it down since it's just too hilarious to pass).

With full stacks of Reckless Attacker I'm like 94% crit or so.

Since we now can solo que on any dungeon/skirmish I made few KR's and ESOT's with ACT on comparing both enchants.

The damage difference is kinda small. Over the course of the whole instance It was like 800k in outgoing damage in Vorpal's favor.

The thing is you need to be aware about how Fey works, to have the buff we need to make sure that encounter is launched on a pack of mobs (my encounters are always on CD so that's not an issue). Vorpal is free of this "burden" so I get why some players prefer it over Fey.

With Negation on, I look like a casino already, so additional flashy thing bugs me even more...

Fey is PINK guys....PINK

dairyzeus

kemi1984 said:

Fey is PINK guys....PINK

I may or may not use transmute all my weapons with fey enchants on them to spear or lance type weapons...

kemi1984

C'mon wielding a huge PINK HAMSTER style SH Lance 2.0 is fun, right?

Or am I THAT weird?

rjc9000

kemi1984 said:

C'mon wielding a huge PINK HAMSTER style SH Lance 2.0 is fun, right?

Or am I THAT weird?

I remember what Natsu (or Ork?) said about Feytouched on a SH lance.

To them, it resembled a pink version of *THAT* melee weapon from Saints Row 3.

junius

dairyzeus said:

manipulos said:

I have another quick question:

If multiple people in a party/queue group/trial have Feytouched does that cause the damage "siphon" to only work for one person? I'm guessing if that's the case it would be the first person to hit the target(s) with an encounter power.

That used to be the case, but has been fixed. There should be no issues with multiple feytouched enchantments in a group.

Can someone tell me when this was fixed? I thought only one person in a group could gain the damage boost from this enchantment.

rockstargfu

@junius#6073 from my understanding it was fixed MoD 11 (ty RJC9000)