Orcus/Dex Belt+Neck

mattmonroe

I'm a 16.5K BiS Combat HR (for context)

So I bought a dex neck and leveled it to legendary today, and swapped in my dex belt as well to test. I'm not noticing much of any difference thus far from my orcus set, which I suppose all things being equal if they were the same exact DPS, would be better to use than orcus purely to swap out the shard for a more useful set of stats. My question is - is anyone actually noticing an improvement with the dex gear instead of the orcus set? I know it likely is noticeable on Trappers, but does anyone have any numbers for Combat?

wizardlvl80

Trapper here. Swapped for Neckpiece with Dex/Wis and I'm happy I did it. Not to mention that defensive stats from it boost my Assasin's Covenant.

teucer

The difference is the instant burst instead of the 'ramp up' of an Orcus set. I would use Orcus for long boss fights. Funny how the market shifted the value of the Orcus belt from 400K to 1.5mill. The Orcus arti dropped like candy last night.

jonkoca

Swapped out my orcus set for dexbelt/dex wis neck and key of stars on the first day of mod11.5. 15.5k Combat HR btw. Never felt the orcus set worked very well. Haven't noticed any huge gain or drop in dps, but don't really test these things much. Kinda screwed up my pve build anyway atm. to bolster my pvp crit.

mattmonroe

teucer#3019 said:

The difference is the instant burst instead of the 'ramp up' of an Orcus set. I would use Orcus for long boss fights. Funny how the market shifted the value of the Orcus belt from 400K to 1.5mill. The Orcus arti dropped like candy last night.

Are there actually people that swap out entire artifact sets for bosses? That seems annoying and unnecessary.

niadan

Loadouts make it less annoying. And yes...some people do. For me it is just the weapon, powers, and feats.

mattmonroe

Is the argument that orcus = burst damage and dex sets = consistent, but they are the same dps output?

nirafelos

Most of the discussion i've seen regarding switching to dex belt/neck basically says, "It's a large gain from Lostmauth set and worst case scenario ties with orcus set but is way cheaper and gives you freedom to pick whatever artifact you want"

I don't think I've seen anyone really claim a big gain over orcus set.

teucer

> @mattmonroe said:
> The difference is the instant burst instead of the 'ramp up' of an Orcus set. I would use Orcus for long boss fights. Funny how the market shifted the value of the Orcus belt from 400K to 1.5mill. The Orcus arti dropped like candy last night.
>
> Are there actually people that swap out entire artifact sets for bosses? That seems annoying and unnecessary.

Yes, the peeps that sit outside the circle for the next area are generally setting up.

> @nirafelos said:
> I don't think I've seen anyone really claim a big gain over orcus set.

No, not a big gain at all, marginal at best and situational.

jonkoca

That orcus artifact is utter pants.

teucer

Well, stat balance can make it work.

I have some tuning to do with this loadout situation. And the fact I am so familiar with Combat, I sucked with the Trapper rhythm. More practice required.

mattmonroe

jonkoca said:

That orcus artifact is utter pants.

Speed is highly underrated.

arcadeus

Is the dex neck from the mysterious merchant or the one from the dragon flight vendor? Is the belt the normal greater twisted one?

thefiresidecat

mattmonroe said:

I'm a 16.5K BiS Combat HR (for context)

So I bought a dex neck and leveled it to legendary today, and swapped in my dex belt as well to test. I'm not noticing much of any difference thus far from my orcus set, which I suppose all things being equal if they were the same exact DPS, would be better to use than orcus purely to swap out the shard for a more useful set of stats. My question is - is anyone actually noticing an improvement with the dex gear instead of the orcus set? I know it likely is noticeable on Trappers, but does anyone have any numbers for Combat?

I'm a trapper. I haven't noticed any difference. but to be honest I don't think I've done any difficult content since then to compare. I actually still have all the gear for the orcus set. been meaning to compare them.

wdj40

Just to note... I ran 2 EToS last night to compare the 2 sets. Once with Dex + Cloak and once with Orcus Set.

Keeping the exact same set up both times and same group composition.

Run 1 With Dex Belt was Dungeon complete with 128mil Damage in 8mins 3seconds.

Run 2 With Orcus Set was 125mil damage in 8mins 27seconds.

The difference is very very minimal. But then each dungeon is different and each run is differerent even with the same group set up.

arcadeus

> @arcadeus#1794 said:
> Is the dex neck from the mysterious merchant or the one from the dragon flight vendor? Is the belt the normal greater twisted one?

Anyone?

nirafelos

arcadeus#1794 said:

> @arcadeus#1794 said:

> Is the dex neck from the mysterious merchant or the one from the dragon flight vendor? Is the belt the normal greater twisted one?



Anyone?

The dex neck being discussed is called the Company Duelist Cloak and is sold for 6500 guild marks from the same merchant that sells Dragonflight gear.
Yes, the dex belt being discussed is the normal Greater Twined Rope of Dexterity that you can purchase from the AH for ~700AD.

arcadeus

nirafelos said:

arcadeus#1794 said:

> @arcadeus#1794 said:

> Is the dex neck from the mysterious merchant or the one from the dragon flight vendor? Is the belt the normal greater twisted one?



Anyone?

The dex neck being discussed is called the Company Duelist Cloak and is sold for 6500 guild marks from the same merchant that sells Dragonflight gear.
Yes, the dex belt being discussed is the normal Greater Twined Rope of Dexterity that you can purchase from the AH for ~700AD.

Thanks!

gabrieldourden

mattmonroe said:

jonkoca said:

That orcus artifact is utter pants.

Speed is highly underrated.

Speed is probably the only thing worth investing in, once you get past a certain point.

teucer

wdj40 said:

Just to note... I ran 2 EToS last night to compare the 2 sets. Once with Dex + Cloak and once with Orcus Set.

Keeping the exact same set up both times and same group composition.

Run 1 With Dex Belt was Dungeon complete with 128mil Damage in 8mins 3seconds.

Run 2 With Orcus Set was 125mil damage in 8mins 27seconds.

The difference is very very minimal. But then each dungeon is different and each run is differerent even with the same group set up.

That is it? 128mil ?!? You were obviously with a good group.

Orcus set trumps when the fight is long winded. But even the Orcus boss drops fast when with a good group for the orcus set to matter. So yeah, DEX set for me.

wdj40

teucer#3019 said:

wdj40 said:

Just to note... I ran 2 EToS last night to compare the 2 sets. Once with Dex + Cloak and once with Orcus Set.

Keeping the exact same set up both times and same group composition.

Run 1 With Dex Belt was Dungeon complete with 128mil Damage in 8mins 3seconds.

Run 2 With Orcus Set was 125mil damage in 8mins 27seconds.

The difference is very very minimal. But then each dungeon is different and each run is differerent even with the same group set up.

That is it? 128mil ?!? You were obviously with a good group.

Orcus set trumps when the fight is long winded. But even the Orcus boss drops fast when with a good group for the orcus set to matter. So yeah, DEX set for me.

Ha lol, it was actually a PUG as I still run 95% of my runs with PUG's, they asked me to run again so I did a second one and used the Orcus Set instead. Yup topped the DPS charts as well as doing a quite speed time, took a screenshot at the end and I made a clip too of the last 5mins. I only screenshotted and clipped one of the runs not both. It does not really matter who the other 4 players are as long as they dont lag behind, EToS is usually 8-9mins with PUG's who dont mess about or die a lot.

I really struggle to see much difference between the Orcus Set and the Dex Belt/Cloak combo, but my gut feeling watching all my numbers tick is the Dex Combo is much better in the long run.

teucer

You can see my recent clips and shots. The Dex set does seem to toss larger yellow and orange numbers into the air. It's distracting, yet fun to watch...

wdj40

teucer#3019 said:

You can see my recent clips and shots. The Dex set does seem to toss larger yellow and orange numbers into the air. It's distracting, yet fun to watch...

I always watch your clips dude when they pop up, I like to see how other people play their HR's

Hey I did not realise you are in Spectrum now, say hello to Halo for me lol. I have a few of you guys on my friends list

Anyhoo lets run together again sometime soon, not to compare HR's really although that is fun too lol. It is impossible to compare 2 HR's running in the same group due to all the buffs etc flying around.

rhadamathys

ultimately it comes down to this basic summary....For traper, it sucks. For combat, it's dependant on play style.

dex neck/belt: +6 dex = +6% dmg, +3% deflect (great for combat)... +2 wis = +2% CC, furthermore, you get different stats from the belt/neck than you do from orcus neck/belt (mainly ArP vs Deflect)...also, you get a free art spot since you don't have to have orcus if you don't want to (I like movement as I'm impatient af, other's don't).

Orcus is on avg around 10% dmg on T2 pug groups + MSVA, otherwise it's around 0% for t1s and trash if you are higher IL.

If you have good melt groups, the mobs spend way less time under 50% than over 50% due to fire archon/etc. In that case, orcus is less effective. If you are in pugs, then it's depends.

My suggestion is look at the stats they provide (pow/cs/arp/def/etc) and determine what makes you better. Also take into account what group comps you run with...are you lower IL, higher IL, do you melt groups, do you pug groups. based on those answers, you'll know what works best for you.

zomak

My take on it from what I've seen discussed here is that they are so close together and the differences so situation that it doesn't really matter all that much in the end. There is a definite difference in price/cost associated with the two though, the Orcus is insanely expensive while the dex belt/cloak are insanely cheap. Thus run the cheap one for almost the same or maybe even better damage and spend the money you would have spent on orcus, or if you were lucky enough to have had one drop sell it, and buy something else that will help your damage.