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Lostmauth's Hoard Necklace VS Company Raider Cloak.

gildriadorgildriador Member Posts: 231 Arc User
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I've seen some CW who wear the Company Raider Cloak and the Greater Owlbear Leather Belt of Intelligence.

Why I ask about this, it's because just before mod 10, I changed my Lostmauth's Hoard Necklace for the Amulet of Valindra's Favor.
The goal was to reduce my Arm Pen stats who was very high because at this time I used 3 pieces of Loyal Avenger Gear.
I think it was a bad choice because my Arm Pen before bonding process are low,
with the new upcoming change for Mod 12, I want to use the next 2X Refinement to put my Amulet of Valindra's Favor into an epic Lostmauth's Hoard Necklace I got from a lockbox.

After more thought I'm wondering if a Company Raider Cloak it's a better choice because I have more than 100% critic, I think 102%,
and I have only the Vivivied boots. When I will get better gear in mod 12, my critic will be too high.
Ok, my real question is:
What is the best ?
846 Power, 530 ArmPen, 530 critic, 4% AP each 3 seconds in combat.
or
846 Power, 530 ArmPen, 530 recovery, +2 int.

If someone uses the Company Raider cloak , I'm interested in some feed back.

I have an other question about Int. Vs Charisma.
I'm not sure if Int. is better than Charisma.
What I really want to know is when you have too much critic, is it better to reduce Critic stat to get more Power (Change 2 Azure for 2 Brutal or 2 Radiant)
or reduce your charisma to get more int. => Changing Belt of Valindra to Greater Owlbear Leather Belt of Intelligence.

Thanks
“He raised his staff. There was a roll of thunder. The sunlight was blotted out from the eastern windows; the whole hall became suddenly dark as night. The fire faded to sullen embers. Only Gandalf could be seen, standing white and tall before the blackened hearth.”
― J.R.R. Tolkien, The Two Towers

Comments

  • thefabricantthefabricant Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 5,248 Arc User
    Int is better than charisma assuming you can cap crit without charisma.
    Our Imaginary Friends are better than yours.
  • gildriadorgildriador Member Posts: 231 Arc User
    Thanks @thefabricant, for your quick answer about Charisma VS int.

    What do you think of Lostmauth's Hoard Necklace VS Company Raider Cloak. If I replace my Amulet of Valindra's Favor by the Company Raider Cloak, do you think I will really feel the lost in AP gain. I will probably try it on preview before doing this on the live server.

    Thanks again.
    “He raised his staff. There was a roll of thunder. The sunlight was blotted out from the eastern windows; the whole hall became suddenly dark as night. The fire faded to sullen embers. Only Gandalf could be seen, standing white and tall before the blackened hearth.”
    ― J.R.R. Tolkien, The Two Towers
  • thefabricantthefabricant Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 5,248 Arc User
    edited June 2017
    It depends how many different sources of ap gain you are using. If you use the snail and some ap gain consumables you won't feel it that much.

    If you want to stick with an AP gain cloak, the Rubellite set is BiS.
    Our Imaginary Friends are better than yours.
  • gildriadorgildriador Member Posts: 231 Arc User
    thefabricant said:

    It depends how many different sources of ap gain you are using. If you use the snail and some ap gain consumables you won't feel it that much.

    If you want to stick with an AP gain cloak, the Rubellite set is BiS.


    Thanks for the info.

    I missed the fact that the upgrade to Masterwork Profession added some cloak and belt set, but the Rubellite set is currently too expensive right now for me.

    I use the "+ 2000 power" for my mount bonus, I will try the Company Raider Cloak on preview to know if I feel comfortable without the AP gain or not. If not I will keep my first idea to put my Amulet of Valindra's Favor into an epic Lostmauth's Hoard Necklace to gain 530 ArmPen and keep the AP gain.

    Thanks again, your advises are always welcome.
    “He raised his staff. There was a roll of thunder. The sunlight was blotted out from the eastern windows; the whole hall became suddenly dark as night. The fire faded to sullen embers. Only Gandalf could be seen, standing white and tall before the blackened hearth.”
    ― J.R.R. Tolkien, The Two Towers
  • smulchsmulch Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 625 Arc User
    thefabricant said:

    It depends how many different sources of ap gain you are using. If you use the snail and some ap gain consumables you won't feel it that much.

    If you want to stick with an AP gain cloak, the Rubellite set is BiS.

    Sphene amulet + rubellite belt to be precise.

  • gildriadorgildriador Member Posts: 231 Arc User
    This week-end, I tested the Amulet of Valindra's Favor VS the Company Raider's Cloak.

    After a lot of testing, I feel that my AP gain is not enough with the Company Raider's Cloak.

    I will change my Amulet of Valindra's Favor for a cloak with AP gain and Arm Pen, I don't know if it will be the Lostmauth's Hoard Necklace or the Rubellite cloak. I haven't decided yet.

    Thanks
    “He raised his staff. There was a roll of thunder. The sunlight was blotted out from the eastern windows; the whole hall became suddenly dark as night. The fire faded to sullen embers. Only Gandalf could be seen, standing white and tall before the blackened hearth.”
    ― J.R.R. Tolkien, The Two Towers
  • smulchsmulch Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 625 Arc User
    gildriador said:

    This week-end, I tested the Amulet of Valindra's Favor VS the Company Raider's Cloak.

    After a lot of testing, I feel that my AP gain is not enough with the Company Raider's Cloak.

    I will change my Amulet of Valindra's Favor for a cloak with AP gain and Arm Pen, I don't know if it will be the Lostmauth's Hoard Necklace or the Rubellite cloak. I haven't decided yet.

    Thanks

    No reason to not go for rubellite neck (if you need arp), since this open you to a 1500 recovery set bonus if you also get the belt.
  • mebengalsfan#9264 mebengalsfan
    mebengalsfan#9264
         Member Posts: 3,169 Arc User
    edited June 2017
    I was going to ask the same thing about the SH cloak vs Lostmauth Cloak. I also noticed the Mastercraft Artifacts as well. Wouldn't +2 INT be better for a DPS focused CW ?

    I just got my Owlbear belt to Legendary today and now I am going to start working on my neck next. Currently I have the Lostmauth neck at epic and thought about going with the SH Company Raider Cloak for +2 more Int. I have the Epic Flail Snail and can easily move to use this mount power over the 2K Power I am using if the +2 Int from the Company Raider Cloak will boost my damage above and beyond my current setup.

    If not, I will make my current neck legendary.

  • mebengalsfan#9264 mebengalsfan
    mebengalsfan#9264
         Member Posts: 3,169 Arc User
    I switched over to Company Raider cloak. Here are the two things I noticed.

    * AP regeneration - it is a bit slower but not enough to really make it a negative impact to my build
    * Critical Chance - dropped by 1% but that can be made up by other things such as enchantments, etc...
  • gildriadorgildriador Member Posts: 231 Arc User
    mebengalsfan#9264 said:

    I switched over to Company Raider cloak. Here are the two things I noticed.

    * AP regeneration - it is a bit slower but not enough to really make it a negative impact to my build
    * Critical Chance - dropped by 1% but that can be made up by other things such as enchantments, etc...

    Thanks for your feedback.

    Last week, I changed my Valindra Cloak and Belt for the lostmauth's hoard neckless and the Greater Owlbear belt of intelligence.

    This change increased my ArmPen (27% => 32% before Bonding Process 60%=>65% with Bonding) and my INT +2.

    This change reduced my Recovery (-530) and my CHA -2 (Critic 104% => 102%).

    I'm satisfied with this.
    Personally I don't like the lost in AP Gain without an AP gain cloak, if someday in a new module a cloak with +2INT,+2CHA is added, I will probably wear it.

    The AP gain can be very different for each player, if you use the mount bonus and if you have the Fey weapon set you probably don't feel the difference.

    I have the DC sigil at mythic. When I tested with it the lost of AP gain was not too much, but I want to have a good AP gain when I use the Wheel as an Active Artifact.

    The reason for lostmauth's hoard neckless instead of the Rubellite Cloak, principally because I used my AD to create a Transcendent Lightning enchantment from scratch, and I really like this new investment :)
    “He raised his staff. There was a roll of thunder. The sunlight was blotted out from the eastern windows; the whole hall became suddenly dark as night. The fire faded to sullen embers. Only Gandalf could be seen, standing white and tall before the blackened hearth.”
    ― J.R.R. Tolkien, The Two Towers
  • emeraldknight#2030 emeraldknight
    emeraldknight#2030
         Member Posts: 24 Arc User
    I switched to the Company Raider Cloak however I noticed a noticeable slowdown in AP gain which impacted my overall damage and my toon sits at base crit of 18k and 34k power. I just do not think for me anyway the Company Raider Cloak is superior to the Lostmouth Neck.

    Any testing done to compare both? As i am on consoles...
  • mebengalsfan#9264 mebengalsfan
    mebengalsfan#9264
         Member Posts: 3,169 Arc User
    gildriador said:

    mebengalsfan#9264 said:

    I switched over to Company Raider cloak. Here are the two things I noticed.

    * AP regeneration - it is a bit slower but not enough to really make it a negative impact to my build
    * Critical Chance - dropped by 1% but that can be made up by other things such as enchantments, etc...

    Thanks for your feedback.

    Last week, I changed my Valindra Cloak and Belt for the lostmauth's hoard neckless and the Greater Owlbear belt of intelligence.

    This change increased my ArmPen (27% => 32% before Bonding Process 60%=>65% with Bonding) and my INT +2.

    This change reduced my Recovery (-530) and my CHA -2 (Critic 104% => 102%).

    I'm satisfied with this.
    Personally I don't like the lost in AP Gain without an AP gain cloak, if someday in a new module a cloak with +2INT,+2CHA is added, I will probably wear it.

    The AP gain can be very different for each player, if you use the mount bonus and if you have the Fey weapon set you probably don't feel the difference.

    I have the DC sigil at mythic. When I tested with it the lost of AP gain was not too much, but I want to have a good AP gain when I use the Wheel as an Active Artifact.

    The reason for lostmauth's hoard neckless instead of the Rubellite Cloak, principally because I used my AD to create a Transcendent Lightning enchantment from scratch, and I really like this new investment :)
    If you run are not running Thaum / Renegade build try it out. Due to Critical Action feat my AP Gain is actually faster than it was when I was playing as a Thaum / Oppressor. I can still freeze but not as fast. If you are already a Thaum / Renegade than you probably want to keep what you have. As a side note, the Company Raider cloak does have recovery and that would provide you with 2.5% AP gain vs the 4% from the Lostmouth so AP gain is not as big of a loss but what you do lose if you swap is 1.2 % crit chance.

    My base Intelligence is 31. When I reroll due to improving critical chance it will be pushed to 33 base with my current gear. I still have plenty of gear get to improve crit chance and enchantments and I am already hitting 90% without my sudden ring of precision +5.
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