Could you make Private queues have a Total GROUP IL requirement, instead of Individual? For example, a currently 1600IL dungeon would require maybe a total of 10000 IL, (1600 + 400 = 2000, x5 = 10k). Leave Public queues to be determined by Individual IL, to keep them within the realm of possibility for a low-ish IL pug, but allow Private queues to be Total Group IL, still allowing an all 2k group to get in, but also allowing a 3/4k player(s) to carry <2000IL players, if the need arises. There might be something I'm missing, but I feel like is combining the best of both - raising the Public requirements to stop players from faceplanting their way through dungeons, without restricting in-guild/alliance groups from carrying their squishier members.
Well, I'll give a really personal and practical answer in terms of this thread.
Separating public and private is something that just seems flat-out better than what we have now. So it's not a hard sell for me internally -- nobody has to be convinced we should do something wildly different from what we are doing now.
Eliminating iLevel requirements entirely (even just for private queues) is a big change. I'd have to convince a lot of people. Odds are, it would be a lot of effort, and maybe in the end nothing would change at all. That would be sad.
Another way to say it is I'm trying to solve a very particular problem: * It's bad for a player to see a queue has a requirement of 2000, join the queue, and then get yelled at by other players with much higher TIL (or to get totally crushed along with a bunch of other 2000 players).
Here is a problem I am totally not trying to solve: * Neverwinter queues could be totally different in terms of how they do (or don't) require a certain item level to get in. Maybe some other method would be much better.
I'm all for speculation, but keep in mind what I am hoping for in this thread is feedback on the questions I asked. (I mention all this to improve my chances of getting that feedback, and also to limit expectations of what changes are going to come from it.)
That said, let me address the bigger picture, since you ask! I'd say (and keep in mind I wasn't here when the original queue decisions were made, so this is me looking at things after the fact) that the main purpose of the item level requirements is to give people enough guidance that they can have a good experience. Neverwinter (like most MMOs today) isn't meant to be a total toss-you-to-the-wolves, figure-it-out-by-dying experience. It's meant to be a little easier on players than that. So I think it makes sense that there's some guidance in terms of queue requirements, and if you meet the queue requirement, you should have a good chance to succeed in the queue.
Having someone drag you along as a way to advance rapidly is one of those opportunities that is hard (as a player) not to take advantage of if someone offers it, but doesn't necessarily make for a fun game in the long run. Most MMOs have some sort of limitations on this kind of thing. For example, most MMOs won't let you group a L70 and a L1, and have the L70 kill stuff and the L1 gets full credit and rockets to L70 in no time. Systems are put in deliberately to prevent that. That's because, in the long run, it's more fun to play the game and get the rewards than it is to just get the rewards handed to you. (Again, I understand that players will take any acceleration chances they can get -- I know I do in the games I play -- but that doesn't mean the game design should have lots of extreme accelerators.) I think the argument not to let a bunch of high TIL characters help a super-low TIL character get gear is pretty similar. A certain amount of "strong characters help the weak" is fine and fun and a part of every MMO (NW included). But too much and it gets tedious -- it feels like you're just being run through the game rather than really playing it yourself.
Note the changes we're talking about here actually do make it a bit easier for strong characters to help weak characters get gear. (Some people on the dev team have argued against the changes for that reason.) For me, that's a price worth paying because I really hate the idea that we tell you "this queue is ok for TIL 2000" and then the game smashes your face in if you queue with TIL 2000. The other alternative would be to just leave the system as-is, but flat out raise the queue requirements for the problem queues. I'm going to speculate that that solution would not be well received. :P
Anyway, for anyone reading this, speculate or not as you please, but please do give me some feedback on the original question!
P.S. Becky's point is an excellent one as well.
YOU ARE THE DEVELOPERS OF THIS GAME, AND EVERY REACTION U GIVE TO AN OPINION IS :
"It will probably takes SOOOO much effort."
Then what is job here ? Do we have to care about what u invest as in money/time when we should only interest into the service we are getting which is the gameplay experience? (Not that I support what's being said, but I think I made my point.)
Fix class-balance issues: ----> Too much time to invest. Fix PvP ------> Too much time to invest. Fix Weapon Enchant issues -----> Too much time to invest. Fix bla bla bla -----> It's not a good idea, but also there's no time/money to do it. COME ON!
YOU ARE THE DEVELOPERS OF THIS GAME, AND EVERY REACTION U GIVE TO AN OPINION IS :
"It will probably takes SOOOO much effort."
Then what is job here ? Do we have to care about what u invest as in money/time when we should only interest into the service we are getting which is the gameplay experience? (Not that I support what's being said, but I think I made my point.)
Fix class-balance issues: ----> Too much time to invest. Fix PvP ------> Too much time to invest. Fix Weapon Enchant issues -----> Too much time to invest. Fix bla bla bla -----> It's not a good idea, but also there's no time/money to do it. COME ON!
Uh, in the post you quoted there was no mention of "too much time to invest" so I don't know why you're focusing here, he's asking for feedback on the queue requirements and obviously reaching out to the players to find out our thoughts on the subject.
The subject of how the development team prioritise their workload is a different thing. I agree there are areas which have been unjustifiably ignored for (literally) years but you should at least read what you are quoting and not hijack threads to make a point about something else.
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Could you make Private queues have a Total GROUP IL requirement, instead of Individual? For example, a currently 1600IL dungeon would require maybe a total of 10000 IL, (1600 + 400 = 2000, x5 = 10k). Leave Public queues to be determined by Individual IL, to keep them within the realm of possibility for a low-ish IL pug, but allow Private queues to be Total Group IL, still allowing an all 2k group to get in, but also allowing a 3/4k player(s) to carry
Again, while nice to have for lower IL chars, this would put an unwanted strain on long time players.
This is what will happen. Low IL players will want to run FBI etc. To enter, they will need high IL players. As it is I did just reset professions yesterday. I was online with my DC for 5 minutes and did get 3 pms to run FBI or MSWA. Dont get me wrong, I dont mind helping out. Most of the times I que VT, ELOL etc solo, bc I could solo it and I dont mind running 5 minutes longer with a PuG team. What I would mind is ppl wanting me or others to carry them in dungeons, if they cant contribute at all and chances are, that we will waste 1-2 hours or fail utterly.
You dont think, that ppl feel that entitlement? You are wrong.
I did get insulted by PuG players for failing to solo Valindra, bc I died in the 2nd phase (hand), after they all died in the 1st phase.
A few days ago I did an ETOS run with some ppl from a zerg channel. The OP did build the group and had ca. 2k IL. Guess what. He died in every boss fight and I had to tank with my CW. We finished the dungeon and I left. Now with a group IL. Take 2 4k+ players and the rest can enter with their unequipped praying alts. Is it doable? Yes. Would you want to waste your time in runs like this? No.
There is a reason for min IL, even in private ques.
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treesclimberMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,161Arc User
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Well in the WE rework thread players were asked how they would like DR to be treated, devs chose to keep uncaped DR in the game. I am against that decision, to get uncapped DR debuff some items are needed and having these certain items it's not much "pug likely", so as a first step to bring the game towards a better state and shorten the gap between those 2 kinds of teams i would raise the uncapped globally to 250% and specifically for Demogorgon and Storvald to 300%. So @rgutscheradev what is your opinion on this?
I know people will fight against it because they got comfortable with the stacking of these buffs so here are my shield answers:
Arg: What! Pugs dont even get to 200%, that will just be bad. Me: Yes they do, with correct power usage, not much likely in multi target but single target it's the core of the game, boss not dead, no cookies, simple.
Arg: What!!?? Do you realize that enemies would take much more to kill, the game would be impossible to play, R.I.P. neverwinter. Me: No they wouldn't, no it would not.
Arg: I spent 1 million to make my con artist legendary and now you want to nerf it, just no, you are being selfish. Me: I spent 1 million getting a alchemist experimenter that with the fades of the modules grew increasingly worthless, i'm not crying about it.
Thanks especially to treesclimber who gave some very specific ideas to work with!
I've tweaked up the old 2800+ queues a bit, as suggested. I didn't want to do it too much, because I know players work hard for the higher gear scores and I didn't want to put things too far out of reach. The new private queue values are still well below the current live values, though, so I hope nobody will feel "locked out", and that pubs can be more successful.
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These are the values I'll be implementing (barring any shocking new revelations). I'm sure they're not perfect, but I think they probably reflect as much as we know now, what with all the other changes going on (new item level system, splitting public and private values).
It's not hard to tune these numbers once they are live, so if a consensus builds up that something is out of synch, please let us know so we can change it. Of course, there will always be differences of opinion, people who want it to be easier to get in vs. people who don't want low TIL people in their pugs, and so on. But if there's a real community consensus like there was around the old 1600 queues (namely, that you really were NOT ready at 1600 and you should be at least at 2000), I'd want our queue values to reflect that. So let us know how it goes on live!
Since I'm here, let me say a few things about some of the other things that came up:
* I don't think an average TIL or a total TIL (which amount to the same thing) would work very well. All the problems around a bunch of high-level players feeling obliged to carry low-level players would occur in this world. (It's also a messier system.) So I think whatever requirements we have, they should be on a per-player basis.
* In terms of how much work everything takes -- of course, it's on us to do the work to make the game good. And we should never shirk from making an important change to the game because "it's too much work". But we have to keep in mind that work on one thing means we don't do work on another. So we're constantly looking at "how much work is this feature? would that work let us do some other feature that would be more fun? how much fun are we getting for the player for a given amount of work?" So, for example, we are constantly balancing making new stuff versus fixing old stuff. (My own personal opinion is that in the past we didn't put enough emphasis on fixing old stuff -- I think that proportion is getting better, although it's still not perfect!) There are some specific categories, like game balance, where I'd like to spend more time than we're spending now. (Of course, someone who wants more monsters, more rewards, and more missions might say they wish we'd spend more time on that!) But even within the balance category, there are tough choices. Fixing the capped vs. uncapped debuffs is definitely on my list -- but there are a lot of balance issues that I think are higher on the list than that. So if I got a bunch of time to work on balance, I'd want to put it towards, say, the worst problems in class balance or PvP balance before addressing things like the debuff situation. Things like tuning the Stronghold progression fall into this bucket as well -- deciding how much Influence a temp structure gives you, based on what that Influence will do to your guild's progression rate, is also a kind of balance.
I don't know how satisfying this explanation is. But it represents the kind of thinking we're trying to do. Of course, we're looking to all of you to get a sense of which problems are the worst and need the most attention. It's all about picking things that give the most overall improvement in the game. Sometimes those are big things that give (hopefully) big improvements, like the loadout system. Sometimes it's medium things that give medium improvements (like getting more Weapon Enhancements in play than just Vorpal and Dread). Sometimes it's small things that give small improvements (like tuning TIL queue requirements).
And the more you tell us about which things matter the most to you, the more we can combine that with our knowledge of how hard they are to do, in order to make playing Neverwinter as much fun as possible!
On a side note. With the new module life, I checked IL on my chars.
Main cracked 16k. 2 at 15k and the rest I play has ~13k. If you did get your boons, it should be easy to run dongeons.
Even my LS alts, no guild boons, next to no other boons, hand me downs and blue or epic artifacts from BtC refinement points crack 8.5k. Ok, they have 5 epic mounts (account) and insignias, but everyone who wants to play a char and wants to contribute can gear up to enter a dungeon without a problem.
IMO this might punish ppl running an alt army to get RAD, but not serious players.
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adinosiiMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 4,294Arc User
From my perspective, this is like the revised IL that was just introduced. It is intended to solve a current problem - it is not perfect - we can point at specific problems, but it is still an improvement over what we currently have, so yea...it is worth doing.
Hoping for improvements...
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treesclimberMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,161Arc User
@rgutscheradev i understand the prioritization, when it comes to overall game balance i think you could work around pretty much every pve problem by rebalance companions, that would also create a "safe platform" between pvp and pve.
Not directly related, but can you stop reorganizing players in private queues to try and fit the "tank, heal, and 3 dps" comp?
In public queue's it totally makes sense as you have no idea what you're getting paired with, so it's a good general rule of thumb. However, when I make a private 10 or 25 person queue I go to lengths to try and organize groups for maximum buffing potential. Then, after all the effort I'll get into the dungeon only to have my guardian fighters and DO DC's grouped up with the lowest dps and other support classes.
the reqs are still too low. Castle Never, in particular, should be over 10k, not 7.
Castle Never is messed up because Orcus is hitting way too hard. But overall, Castle Never is meant to be hard, but not as hard as Fangbreaker or Svardborg. We'll be making some adjustments to Orcus so that he's more in line with the intended difficulty of Castle Never as a whole.
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thefabricantMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 5,248Arc User
the reqs are still too low. Castle Never, in particular, should be over 10k, not 7.
Castle Never is messed up because Orcus is hitting way too hard. But overall, Castle Never is meant to be hard, but not as hard as Fangbreaker or Svardborg. We'll be making some adjustments to Orcus so that he's more in line with the intended difficulty of Castle Never as a whole.
@rgutscheradev I strongly disagree with nerfing the damage dealt by Orcus, he is 1 of the few bosses in the game that a tank actually has to tank and it CAN be tanked by a tank that only meets the minimum requirements, provided they can actually play their class and there is some support provided by a healer.
@rgutscheradev a strongly disagree with nerfing the damage dealt by Orcus, he is 1 of the few bosses in the game that a tank actually has to tank and it CAN be tanked by a tank that only meets the minimum requirements, provided they can actually play their class and there is some support provided by a healer.
I strongly agree with it. CN has always being the "something" in between T2s and FBI/ESP, the sort of jump in quality new players do when they feel safe with T2s, before doing actually the big jump with FBI (or at least this is what we intend when we help our guildies). Therefore, I would rather suggest to start considering CN as something different rather than smoothing it to T2 levels.
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I'm pretty sure the public queues will remain non-viable. Most players recruit FBI not lower than 12k. Not saying it's what you need, but that's the reality in /lfg and all those private channels. I don't see why players would voluntarily put themselves into an 11k pug for the dungeon unless they like a challenge.
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I second @thefabricant and @erosennin92 on CN. Leave it like it is. I can almost facetank Orcus on my non-BIS temptation SW (I only die when he crits on the high side) without any support. It is nice to have dungeons where tanks actually do tank stuff instead of being dps and buffbots only.
Many GFs I see around are now dps with "just enough" tanking/aggro capability. I've seen some of them (even almost BIS) die at Orcus just because I slotted Fox's Cunning or used a tank pet like the Yeti. Pauses in the damage from Orcus reduce their AP gain and they can't sustain their daily powers rotation to keep Steel Defense up as much as they need, and then they die.
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A public group of 10700 players doying MSVA??? Are you seriously?? This group will fail hardly in every try they do, these requeriments aren't going to help nothing!
Epic Temple of the sipder, Prophecy of Madness, Epic Demongorg, Tiamat: 9000
The others dungeons and skirmish the IL aren't relevant and can be removed.
For private queues just remove all the IL requeriments, they are not relevant there.
And please, you guys have a longstanding problem in your game which is the pvp queue! Make a solo queue of it and when solo queuying balance the players in the 2 partys of the pvp instance formed. Leave the normal queue for premade competitions.
Thx, hope i get listen and sorry for my bad english
I like the change a lot, was hoping this will arrive sooner or later.
However, I feel like in private queue the lower dungeon requirements could be just slightly lower, since the private queue groups are set up and most likely ready for the dungeon, (and probably) have higher TIL people in the group as well (I.e. the 6600 would be like 6300?). I think a great addition would be a "recommended TIL for x dungeon" would also be a fine addition. Let's say a dungeon is accessible with 9200 but it's said that it's recommended to have 9800+ for it, which would ( I hope) mean that you will need a bit of carrying, so people wouldn't think that having 9200 TIL and being able to enter the place means that you can own that dungeon already.
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treesclimberMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,161Arc User
The change to orcus was too extreme, my GF is 11k GS (no bondings) and i don't even raise my shield anymore and the time need to kill him is absurd.
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Since we still are a bit on the dungeons theme there is one very important thing i think should be fixed, in valindra's tower the hall with 2 gelatinous cubes can be passed straight forward by interacting with the switcher (or whatever the name), beginners die multiple times and even quit because they don't know how to pass that wall and the gelatinous cubes hit pretty hard, same thing happens in the passage to the first boss and people have completely no respect to help those that stay behind.
I am not apologist of removing those walls, a dungeon is a dungeon not a drag contest and even if a beginner gets behind they should be able to make presence in battles, not spawn in the begging of the dungeon and only see the rest of the party at the boss door (seriously it's ridiculous), the switchers should not be intractable in combat.
There will be people who do not qualify for the public queue, but meet the requirements for a private queue. Most guilds are probably fine with "carrying" someone through a dungeon, but this change would mean an increased number of runs where one or more participants do not meet the "public" requirements.
There is a possibility that this will create a bit of "strain" within some guilds.
While a well-organized guild group (in particular one with voice communication) should generally not have problems, even if one or two participants barely meet the minimum requirements, such runs will take longer, and there is a higher risk of failure.
Can everybody handle that, or will some people feel like they are being "used" by their fellow guild members - basically pressured into carrying people constantly? Or, if players refuse to carry lower IL guild members, will those members feel left out? That's what I mean by "creating a strain" within the guild.
I am not worried about my own guild - I think we are sufficiently mature and helpful for this not to be a problem, but I can see that for some people I have known this might become a real issue.
Unfortunately, I do not have any suggestions for how to solve this issue other than "just grow up".....
I can't speak for any guild but my own. We will carry anyone that can get thru the door through older content... Tiamat runs, etc. & there are plenty of players (for now) chasing certain gears that any lvl 70 can get into any of the epic dungeons they want to run. BUT, for harder content, like CN, MSVA, FBI... we institute IL caps (usually 12k+). If someone is close... meh. Depends on how well they do in other things. A GF that can't slam Demogorgon into the yellow shields is not gonna be invited into a CN run, y'think? I agree that the possibility of abuse is there in this sort of situation. Still, you can't make a rule to protect someone from themselves. Guildies that get bent out of shape cuz they can't do content that they are not ready for... or because they are feeling used... that's kind of an in-house problem. It's nice to see things from their perspective, but if they can't fix this problem through communication, how well are they really gonna do in the harder content?
There will be people who do not qualify for the public queue, but meet the requirements for a private queue. Most guilds are probably fine with "carrying" someone through a dungeon, but this change would mean an increased number of runs where one or more participants do not meet the "public" requirements.
There is a possibility that this will create a bit of "strain" within some guilds.
While a well-organized guild group (in particular one with voice communication) should generally not have problems, even if one or two participants barely meet the minimum requirements, such runs will take longer, and there is a higher risk of failure.
Can everybody handle that, or will some people feel like they are being "used" by their fellow guild members - basically pressured into carrying people constantly? Or, if players refuse to carry lower IL guild members, will those members feel left out? That's what I mean by "creating a strain" within the guild.
I am not worried about my own guild - I think we are sufficiently mature and helpful for this not to be a problem, but I can see that for some people I have known this might become a real issue.
Unfortunately, I do not have any suggestions for how to solve this issue other than "just grow up".....
I can't speak for any guild but my own. We will carry anyone that can get thru the door through older content... Tiamat runs, etc. & there are plenty of players (for now) chasing certain gears that any lvl 70 can get into any of the epic dungeons they want to run. BUT, for harder content, like CN, MSVA, FBI... we institute IL caps (usually 12k+). If someone is close... meh. Depends on how well they do in other things. A GF that can't slam Demogorgon into the yellow shields is not gonna be invited into a CN run, y'think? I agree that the possibility of abuse is there in this sort of situation. Still, you can't make a rule to protect someone from themselves. Guildies that get bent out of shape cuz they can't do content that they are not ready for... or because they are feeling used... that's kind of an in-house problem. It's nice to see things from their perspective, but if they can't fix this problem through communication, how well are they really gonna do in the harder content?
It is a question of the players personality, too. For example, my former guild leader in a 200+ LOTRO guild did quit, bc he had no joy playing anymore, bc everyone asked him to help out and he did. Some time ago our guild leadership told us, to run more with alliance members. A friend replied, 'Why should I do that? I dont run with 90% of our guild members, bc they suck. I wont treat alliance members better.'
Even before the min IL was so low, you had to carry friends and guild members in some chases.
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Guess I'm rewriting it.
"It will probably takes SOOOO much effort."
Then what is job here ? Do we have to care about what u invest as in money/time when we should only interest into the service we are getting which is the gameplay experience? (Not that I support what's being said, but I think I made my point.)
Fix class-balance issues: ----> Too much time to invest.
Fix PvP ------> Too much time to invest.
Fix Weapon Enchant issues -----> Too much time to invest.
Fix bla bla bla -----> It's not a good idea, but also there's no time/money to do it. COME ON!
The subject of how the development team prioritise their workload is a different thing. I agree there are areas which have been unjustifiably ignored for (literally) years but you should at least read what you are quoting and not hijack threads to make a point about something else.
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This is what will happen. Low IL players will want to run FBI etc. To enter, they will need high IL players. As it is I did just reset professions yesterday. I was online with my DC for 5 minutes and did get 3 pms to run FBI or MSWA. Dont get me wrong, I dont mind helping out. Most of the times I que VT, ELOL etc solo, bc I could solo it and I dont mind running 5 minutes longer with a PuG team. What I would mind is ppl wanting me or others to carry them in dungeons, if they cant contribute at all and chances are, that we will waste 1-2 hours or fail utterly.
You dont think, that ppl feel that entitlement? You are wrong.
I did get insulted by PuG players for failing to solo Valindra, bc I died in the 2nd phase (hand), after they all died in the 1st phase.
A few days ago I did an ETOS run with some ppl from a zerg channel. The OP did build the group and had ca. 2k IL. Guess what. He died in every boss fight and I had to tank with my CW. We finished the dungeon and I left. Now with a group IL. Take 2 4k+ players and the rest can enter with their unequipped praying alts. Is it doable? Yes. Would you want to waste your time in runs like this? No.
There is a reason for min IL, even in private ques.
I know people will fight against it because they got comfortable with the stacking of these buffs so here are my shield answers:
Arg: What! Pugs dont even get to 200%, that will just be bad.
Me: Yes they do, with correct power usage, not much likely in multi target but single target it's the core of the game, boss not dead, no cookies, simple.
Arg: What!!?? Do you realize that enemies would take much more to kill, the game would be impossible to play, R.I.P. neverwinter.
Me: No they wouldn't, no it would not.
Arg: I spent 1 million to make my con artist legendary and now you want to nerf it, just no, you are being selfish.
Me: I spent 1 million getting a alchemist experimenter that with the fades of the modules grew increasingly worthless, i'm not crying about it.
Thanks especially to treesclimber who gave some very specific ideas to work with!
I've tweaked up the old 2800+ queues a bit, as suggested. I didn't want to do it too much, because I know players work hard for the higher gear scores and I didn't want to put things too far out of reach. The new private queue values are still well below the current live values, though, so I hope nobody will feel "locked out", and that pubs can be more successful.
It's not hard to tune these numbers once they are live, so if a consensus builds up that something is out of synch, please let us know so we can change it. Of course, there will always be differences of opinion, people who want it to be easier to get in vs. people who don't want low TIL people in their pugs, and so on. But if there's a real community consensus like there was around the old 1600 queues (namely, that you really were NOT ready at 1600 and you should be at least at 2000), I'd want our queue values to reflect that. So let us know how it goes on live!
Mod fixed a typo.
* I don't think an average TIL or a total TIL (which amount to the same thing) would work very well. All the problems around a bunch of high-level players feeling obliged to carry low-level players would occur in this world. (It's also a messier system.) So I think whatever requirements we have, they should be on a per-player basis.
* In terms of how much work everything takes -- of course, it's on us to do the work to make the game good. And we should never shirk from making an important change to the game because "it's too much work". But we have to keep in mind that work on one thing means we don't do work on another. So we're constantly looking at "how much work is this feature? would that work let us do some other feature that would be more fun? how much fun are we getting for the player for a given amount of work?" So, for example, we are constantly balancing making new stuff versus fixing old stuff. (My own personal opinion is that in the past we didn't put enough emphasis on fixing old stuff -- I think that proportion is getting better, although it's still not perfect!) There are some specific categories, like game balance, where I'd like to spend more time than we're spending now. (Of course, someone who wants more monsters, more rewards, and more missions might say they wish we'd spend more time on that!) But even within the balance category, there are tough choices. Fixing the capped vs. uncapped debuffs is definitely on my list -- but there are a lot of balance issues that I think are higher on the list than that. So if I got a bunch of time to work on balance, I'd want to put it towards, say, the worst problems in class balance or PvP balance before addressing things like the debuff situation. Things like tuning the Stronghold progression fall into this bucket as well -- deciding how much Influence a temp structure gives you, based on what that Influence will do to your guild's progression rate, is also a kind of balance.
I don't know how satisfying this explanation is. But it represents the kind of thinking we're trying to do. Of course, we're looking to all of you to get a sense of which problems are the worst and need the most attention. It's all about picking things that give the most overall improvement in the game. Sometimes those are big things that give (hopefully) big improvements, like the loadout system. Sometimes it's medium things that give medium improvements (like getting more Weapon Enhancements in play than just Vorpal and Dread). Sometimes it's small things that give small improvements (like tuning TIL queue requirements).
And the more you tell us about which things matter the most to you, the more we can combine that with our knowledge of how hard they are to do, in order to make playing Neverwinter as much fun as possible!
Main cracked 16k. 2 at 15k and the rest I play has ~13k. If you did get your boons, it should be easy to run dongeons.
Even my LS alts, no guild boons, next to no other boons, hand me downs and blue or epic artifacts from BtC refinement points crack 8.5k. Ok, they have 5 epic mounts (account) and insignias, but everyone who wants to play a char and wants to contribute can gear up to enter a dungeon without a problem.
IMO this might punish ppl running an alt army to get RAD, but not serious players.
In public queue's it totally makes sense as you have no idea what you're getting paired with, so it's a good general rule of thumb. However, when I make a private 10 or 25 person queue I go to lengths to try and organize groups for maximum buffing potential. Then, after all the effort I'll get into the dungeon only to have my guardian fighters and DO DC's grouped up with the lowest dps and other support classes.
CN has always being the "something" in between T2s and FBI/ESP, the sort of jump in quality new players do when they feel safe with T2s, before doing actually the big jump with FBI (or at least this is what we intend when we help our guildies).
Therefore, I would rather suggest to start considering CN as something different rather than smoothing it to T2 levels.
Azeroth Godwill - (Half)Drow - Virtuous AC DC - iLvL 4k
Many GFs I see around are now dps with "just enough" tanking/aggro capability. I've seen some of them (even almost BIS) die at Orcus just because I slotted Fox's Cunning or used a tank pet like the Yeti. Pauses in the damage from Orcus reduce their AP gain and they can't sustain their daily powers rotation to keep Steel Defense up as much as they need, and then they die.
Born of Black Wind: SW Level 80
For me good requeriments would be:
Master savabog, FBI, Master Spell Plague: 13000
Castle never, Epic Gray wolf, Epic Crag Mines: 10000
Epic Temple of the sipder, Prophecy of Madness, Epic Demongorg, Tiamat: 9000
The others dungeons and skirmish the IL aren't relevant and can be removed.
For private queues just remove all the IL requeriments, they are not relevant there.
And please, you guys have a longstanding problem in your game which is the pvp queue! Make a solo queue of it and when solo queuying balance the players in the 2 partys of the pvp instance formed. Leave the normal queue for premade competitions.
Thx, hope i get listen and sorry for my bad english
how about fixing the pvp Q /elo and showing a little love ...........
So where are the patch notes for the private 5 v 5 pvp Q then already !!!!! *sigh*
However, I feel like in private queue the lower dungeon requirements could be just slightly lower, since the private queue groups are set up and most likely ready for the dungeon, (and probably) have higher TIL people in the group as well (I.e. the 6600 would be like 6300?).
I think a great addition would be a "recommended TIL for x dungeon" would also be a fine addition. Let's say a dungeon is accessible with 9200 but it's said that it's recommended to have 9800+ for it, which would ( I hope) mean that you will need a bit of carrying, so people wouldn't think that having 9200 TIL and being able to enter the place means that you can own that dungeon already.
I am not apologist of removing those walls, a dungeon is a dungeon not a drag contest and even if a beginner gets behind they should be able to make presence in battles, not spawn in the begging of the dungeon and only see the rest of the party at the boss door (seriously it's ridiculous), the switchers should not be intractable in combat.
Even before the min IL was so low, you had to carry friends and guild members in some chases.