Shroud of Souls Preview Patch Notes: NW.80.20170417a.1

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zeroscarlett

I don't want the lifesilk fixed. It looks better how it is... I want my glitched one to stay glitched... my cleric looks amazing finally!

Can we get a choice, like a version 1 and version 2 option? Or put out both and change the name of one?

treesclimber

defiantone99 said:

The TR, GWF, and most of all, CW need work first. Do not try to cut in line when you already had a rework.

Agree and if you notice devs working on class balance always avoid to make animation changes(exept the first reworks when amenar was here), the devs working on animation must bite or something like that xD

fester69troll

terramak said:

An extra refining stone of semi-random quality will drop from each run, and while the RP value can be great on occasion, I'd rather undersell it in the notes than risk disappointing people with the words "moderately" or "significantly."

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Need redheads rings. Otherwise, the dungeon will beat records of unpopularity.

devlin

terramak said:

Regarding the second-long delay on power points: We're aware this isn't a great player experience. Right now we're shoring up and improving it as we can, but previously with Shroud of Souls on the Preview shard, there would be an inconsistent delay of significantly longer than a second. It's definitely a "less bad" solution but it's not entirely clear we can safely get it into a truly good state in a short time.

Recruiter: This may have indeed been as @adinosii and @beckylunatic said - Note-writing confusion on my part. I was admittedly finishing these up after most others had gone for the day. (In addition, the reductions in cost aren't yet in this build.)

Patch timing: I expect to get at least one more build out this week before we release. Also, props to @adinosii for correctly predicting the release date in a previous thread, hahah.

Is there no way to have the power points all auto-fill after selecting your paragon path if the player has the max power points? This will obviously only help a select few, but it is annoying to have to go through all your powers when there is zero potential to do anything different anyway.

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artifleur

defiantone99 said:

Okay. But they have to be sure to fix the Owlbear Cub/Pillar of Power bug. The other classes need a rework. They can go back over the ones that already had a rework after all of the classes have had a pass. Conqueror GF and Combat HR are more in need of review than SW, imo. I think somebody fudged some numbers there. You may be right about CW though.

Calling for nerfs as usual I see.

Somebody's doing more damage than my GWF! This can't be tolerated!

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urabask

artifleur said:

defiantone99 said:

Okay. But they have to be sure to fix the Owlbear Cub/Pillar of Power bug. The other classes need a rework. They can go back over the ones that already had a rework after all of the classes have had a pass. Conqueror GF and Combat HR are more in need of review than SW, imo. I think somebody fudged some numbers there. You may be right about CW though.

Calling for nerfs as usual I see.

Somebody's doing more damage than my GWF! This can't be tolerated!

It's not a nerf. Owlbear isn't WAI. They've tried to fix it multiple times and one of the fixes for SW didn't get done.

bitt3rnightmar3

terramak said:

Items and Economy
General

• Fangbreaker Island and Spellplague Caverns now have slightly increased refinement stone rewards.
  

Slightly increased?

Who told you we even wanted refinement as a reward It's challenging content that is also fun.. until you get a rank 5 enchantment from the chest and only that.. some seals and less reward than you get from Illusionist's Gambit over all for opening both end boss chests in Spellplague? Gosh, now I guess I'll get a blue refinement stone instead of this minor one? I get more than that running Arcane Reservoir and I've been doing that for almost 4 years now. I'm not expecting super rare drops or even fantastical things.. but it's really kind of an unrewarding participation trophy.

Please let me try to explain:

Imagine there is this event you really want to go to but is very hard to get an invitation to, lets say a concert to your favorite band. You had to save up money for tickets for YEARS and bought yours the minute they went on sale. You're pumped and ready to enjoy this epic experience but once you get there it's a crappy cover band that you thought was the opening act but they never leave the stage. No matter how hard you boo and call out for the band you bought your ticket for, they never show up. You might have fun anyway, but if you do you're the kind of person who would have fun anywhere. That's kind of what it feels like to me when I run this epic beautiful dungeon and I get less than I expect. Do I expect something special every time? No, I just expect something equal to or better than what I've been getting running regular tier 2 dungeons. Not worse than tier 2 dungeons. Yeah, okay- it was fun. But um.. lol why did I waste my time?

What is the actual point in running Spellplague besides 'S&G'?

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dmcewen

@terramak any updates on the combatant's maneuver fix?

zeusom

tenetomb said:

terramak said:

@etelgrin - We're aware that Scourge Warlocks are hurting for balance love. I don't know enough to hint at when we'll be able to get around to helping them out (and where they stack up in terms of which classes need love the most), but if we see some easier fixes to try to get them more in line with other classes (that don't risk breaking the game), we may be able to try 'em out before a full-scale balance pass. No promises here, though.

@terramak If you want simple ups, just :

- Halve Gates of hell's cast time while making them more accurate.
- Double Accursed Souls damages and divide its healing component by 2 to compensate.
- You can also speed up Eldricht blast combo by ~ 25-30%.
- You can also halve Harrowstorm cast time while preventing it from being cancelled by other powers.
- You can boost Curse bite damages by 20%.


And some fixes :

- Make Parting Blasphemy working every time and not 50% of the time
- Make Murderous flames deal 30% of Killing flames damages and not ~18%


I think the main issue with dps SW is that he's too slow.
As a 4k+ fury sw, i don't have any issue dealing high single target dps.
I don't have any more on FBI giants where i can use Tyrannical Curse.
But on every other content... MSp, CN and others, i'm having hard times when running with others classes that are melting everything too fast for me.

For Temptation and Damnation... Yeah, it will need a lot more work.

You'd be awesome if you could relate these suggestions to the devs !

These are PVE relevant.
SW needs to be addressed in PVP as well.
That is where their dmg suffers the most because burst damage is king there.
DoTs need to be piercing or something for the dps effectiveness does not even come close to other classes.

tenetomb

zeusom said:

These are PVE relevant.
SW needs to be addressed in PVP as well.
That is where their dmg suffers the most because burst damage is king there.
DoTs need to be piercing or something for the dps effectiveness does not even come close to other classes.

SW suffers as much in PVP than in PVE but i gave some simple fixes for PVE.
PVP, like Damnation and temptation, will need a major work as it needs to be tested (you can't just make Creeping Death piercing damages).
So i don't think you're going to see anything soon. But as Terramak said, if there are simple things that can be done fast, why not asking for them ? ^^

adinosii

bitt3rnightmar3 said:

What is the actual point in running Spellplague besides 'S&G'?

Agreed. I ran it once - nice to see the changes, but I have ZERO interest in running it again. The Reward/Effort ratio is just to low.

Now, the old Spellplague caverns, on the other hand - I ran that over and over, until I got my...uhm...."Miracle Healer's Helm", I think it was.

That was an appropriate reward, considering the effort required.

bitt3rnightmar3

adinosii said:

bitt3rnightmar3 said:

What is the actual point in running Spellplague besides 'S&G'?

Agreed. I ran it once - nice to see the changes, but I have ZERO interest in running it again. The Reward/Effort ratio is just to low.

Now, the old Spellplague caverns, on the other hand - I ran that over and over, until I got my...uhm...."Miracle Healer's Helm", I think it was.

That was an appropriate reward, considering the effort required.

I used to run it to try to get the High Visier piece that dropped from there or an Avatar of War piece that I could sell for hundreds of thousands. Now I get a rank 5 enchant that I could have gotten stepping 3 steps outside my stronghold door and doing a heroic encounter for less than 5 minutes. GG?

silence1x

bitt3rnightmar3 said:

I used to run it to try to get the High Visier piece that dropped from there or an Avatar of War piece that I could sell for hundreds of thousands. Now I get a rank 5 enchant that I could have gotten stepping 3 steps outside my stronghold door and doing a heroic encounter for less than 5 minutes. GG?

I agree with Rel - rewards on higher difficulty dungeons are not conducive to me wanting to run them.

I guess the next time we ask for harder content, we should also specify that we want difficulty-appropriate rewards as well. Our fault

darthtzarr

silence1x said:

bitt3rnightmar3 said:

I used to run it to try to get the High Visier piece that dropped from there or an Avatar of War piece that I could sell for hundreds of thousands. Now I get a rank 5 enchant that I could have gotten stepping 3 steps outside my stronghold door and doing a heroic encounter for less than 5 minutes. GG?

I agree with Rel - rewards on higher difficulty dungeons are not conducive to me wanting to run them.

I guess the next time we ask for harder content, we should also specify that we want difficulty-appropriate rewards as well. Our fault

It does annoy me that there isn't a reasonable minimum reward to these dungeons. CN you are always given a nice piece of salvage, at minimum worth 2k? Maybe 1k? FBI your minimum reward is voninblod? I would not be very happy if I ran CN and only got 100 Faerzress after opening both chests. I love the chance of cool stuff, but the minimum rewards are just too low most of the time. Even if the chest always just dropped a piece of elven gear, it would at least make it equal in rewards to CN when you don't get the newest coolest toys. Personally, I think it should always drop one of the ostorian rings every time, but that's just me, and that doesn't solve Master Spellplague Caverns.

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darthtzarr

defiantone99 said:

darthtzarr said:

silence1x said:

bitt3rnightmar3 said:

I used to run it to try to get the High Visier piece that dropped from there or an Avatar of War piece that I could sell for hundreds of thousands. Now I get a rank 5 enchant that I could have gotten stepping 3 steps outside my stronghold door and doing a heroic encounter for less than 5 minutes. GG?

I agree with Rel - rewards on higher difficulty dungeons are not conducive to me wanting to run them.

I guess the next time we ask for harder content, we should also specify that we want difficulty-appropriate rewards as well. Our fault

It does annoy me that there isn't a reasonable minimum reward to these dungeons. CN you are always given a nice piece of salvage, at minimum worth 2k? Maybe 1k? FBI your minimum reward is voninblod? I would not be very happy if I ran CN and only got 100 Faerzress after opening both chests. I love the chance of cool stuff, but the minimum rewards are just too low most of the time. Even if the chest always just dropped a piece of elven gear, it would at least make it equal in rewards to CN when you don't get the newest coolest toys. Personally, I think it should always drop one of the ostorian rings every time, but that's just me, and that doesn't solve Master Spellplague Caverns.

You are just going to get CN rewards nerfed, going on like that.

LOL get CN nerfed. Then what would we run? eToS anyone?

EDIT - With only one key, eToS is still probably one of the most profitable dungeons for the time invested. That's not saying that eToS rewards are amazing, it's just that other dungeon (minimum) rewards are terrible.

urabask

darthtzarr said:

defiantone99 said:

darthtzarr said:

silence1x said:

bitt3rnightmar3 said:

I used to run it to try to get the High Visier piece that dropped from there or an Avatar of War piece that I could sell for hundreds of thousands. Now I get a rank 5 enchant that I could have gotten stepping 3 steps outside my stronghold door and doing a heroic encounter for less than 5 minutes. GG?

I agree with Rel - rewards on higher difficulty dungeons are not conducive to me wanting to run them.

I guess the next time we ask for harder content, we should also specify that we want difficulty-appropriate rewards as well. Our fault

It does annoy me that there isn't a reasonable minimum reward to these dungeons. CN you are always given a nice piece of salvage, at minimum worth 2k? Maybe 1k? FBI your minimum reward is voninblod? I would not be very happy if I ran CN and only got 100 Faerzress after opening both chests. I love the chance of cool stuff, but the minimum rewards are just too low most of the time. Even if the chest always just dropped a piece of elven gear, it would at least make it equal in rewards to CN when you don't get the newest coolest toys. Personally, I think it should always drop one of the ostorian rings every time, but that's just me, and that doesn't solve Master Spellplague Caverns.

You are just going to get CN rewards nerfed, going on like that.

LOL get CN nerfed. Then what would we run? eToS anyone?

EDIT - With only one key, eToS is still probably one of the most profitable dungeons for the time invested. That's not saying that eToS rewards are amazing, it's just that other dungeon (minimum) rewards are terrible.

Then they'll nerf etos. Random chance at salvage in all dungeons.

demonmonger

What about fixing artifact of wind cooldowns?

I have mythic with 180 seconds cooldown

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hustin1

A little FYI: the Dark Forest Shield (for OP) needs an icon. It's a solid square (which might make sense if the shield itself looked like that...)

adinosii

Regarding the increased chance of refinement stones - how about allowing pearls, peridots, sapphires and so on to be donated as "Gems" to stronghold coffers? I just have too much of this HAMSTER. After the last 2xRP event, where I upgraded/refined everything I wanted to upgrade/refine, I still have over 2000 account-bound preidots, and no use for them.