Plague Fire Enchant for B/D MoF after the buff

metalicum1

How's plague fire enchant doing in comparison to Dread after the dmg buff? The difference between them was huge, but the debuff was very similar. Dread seemed to be the enchant to use. How is it now?
I'm playing an MoF Renegade/Spell Twisting with Swath + Combustive.

frozenfirevr

metalicum1 said:

How's plague fire enchant doing in comparison to Dread after the dmg buff? The difference between them was huge, but the debuff was very similar. Dread seemed to be the enchant to use. How is it now?
I'm playing an MoF Renegade/Spell Twisting with Swath + Combustive.

Similar debuff?! No, not even close. Plaguefire's debuff is uncapped where as dread is capped to 200%. So dread does nothing in most endgame groups with respect to debuffing where as plaguefire would. Plaguefire isn't for DPS, so don't consider it if that's what you're after.

metalicum1

frozenfirevr said:

metalicum1 said:

How's plague fire enchant doing in comparison to Dread after the dmg buff? The difference between them was huge, but the debuff was very similar. Dread seemed to be the enchant to use. How is it now?
I'm playing an MoF Renegade/Spell Twisting with Swath + Combustive.

Similar debuff?! No, not even close. Plaguefire's debuff is uncapped where as dread is capped to 200%. So dread does nothing in most endgame groups with respect to debuffing where as plaguefire would. Plaguefire isn't for DPS, so don't consider it if that's what you're after.

I didn't now that, I thought that it reduces DR just like the rest of the debuffs. How do I recognize those debuffs that are affected by the 200% cap?

oria1

In most cases whatever skill/item states that it reduces DR cant exceed 200% but whatever states it reduces defense/deflect etc can. Since bosses don't have stats like defense, those debuffs are converted to damage buffs and therefore you see increased effectiveness.

Voodoo
MoF Debuffer

frozenfirevr

metalicum1 said:

frozenfirevr said:

metalicum1 said:

How's plague fire enchant doing in comparison to Dread after the dmg buff? The difference between them was huge, but the debuff was very similar. Dread seemed to be the enchant to use. How is it now?
I'm playing an MoF Renegade/Spell Twisting with Swath + Combustive.

Similar debuff?! No, not even close. Plaguefire's debuff is uncapped where as dread is capped to 200%. So dread does nothing in most endgame groups with respect to debuffing where as plaguefire would. Plaguefire isn't for DPS, so don't consider it if that's what you're after.

I didn't now that, I thought that it reduces DR just like the rest of the debuffs. How do I recognize those debuffs that are affected by the 200% cap?

This will help in that regard. Tooltips ain't Neverwinter's strong point.

Courtesy of @michela123.

metalicum1

frozenfirevr said:

metalicum1 said:

frozenfirevr said:

metalicum1 said:

How's plague fire enchant doing in comparison to Dread after the dmg buff? The difference between them was huge, but the debuff was very similar. Dread seemed to be the enchant to use. How is it now?
I'm playing an MoF Renegade/Spell Twisting with Swath + Combustive.

Similar debuff?! No, not even close. Plaguefire's debuff is uncapped where as dread is capped to 200%. So dread does nothing in most endgame groups with respect to debuffing where as plaguefire would. Plaguefire isn't for DPS, so don't consider it if that's what you're after.

I didn't now that, I thought that it reduces DR just like the rest of the debuffs. How do I recognize those debuffs that are affected by the 200% cap?

This will help in that regard. Tooltips ain't Neverwinter's strong point.

Courtesy of @michela123.

This is amazing. Thanks. I had no idea about the cap before, no chance to figure it out on consoles. I guess you always learn new things with this game

metalicum1

oria1 said:

In most cases whatever skill/item states that it reduces DR cant exceed 200% but whatever states it reduces defense/deflect etc can. Since bosses don't have stats like defense, those debuffs are converted to damage buffs and therefore you see increased effectiveness.

Voodoo
MoF Debuffer

But I thought in the new update Plague Fire just says it reduces damage resistance rather than defense. So I assume the update didn't change that.

oria1

They did the change last minute on both frost and plaguefire after the input they had from us players but without changing the tooltip, at the start of mod11. I ll try to search for it later and link it.

metalicum1

oria1 said:

They did the change last minute on both frost and plaguefire after the input they had from us players but without changing the tooltip, at the start of mod11. I ll try to search for it later and link it.

Ok, thanks.

oria1

Took my sweet time but you can click here to see

asterdahl said:

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Although the tooltip does not address this change, frost will once again bypass the standard cap. In addition I took the feedback many of you provided about the uptime into account and made some changes to the duration, aside from the disable all effects now persist for 10 seconds, with the same 20 second cooldown for a 50% overall uptime. In accordance with the cap and duration changes, some of the effects have been adjusted, namely the damage resistance and damage dealt reductions have been reduced to 10%, which is still significantly higher than their original values.


On the subject of plague fire, as it changed very little from its live counterpart, I have made no adjustments since the original post aside from reverting it to a state where it is no longer affected by the cap. For the time being we have no immediate plan to make any changes, but again I would advise caution with regards to investing in either of these exclusively because the resistance effect is uncapped. As always, thank you all for your continued feedback!

metalicum1

oria1 said:

Took my sweet time but you can click here to see

asterdahl said:

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Although the tooltip does not address this change, frost will once again bypass the standard cap. In addition I took the feedback many of you provided about the uptime into account and made some changes to the duration, aside from the disable all effects now persist for 10 seconds, with the same 20 second cooldown for a 50% overall uptime. In accordance with the cap and duration changes, some of the effects have been adjusted, namely the damage resistance and damage dealt reductions have been reduced to 10%, which is still significantly higher than their original values.


On the subject of plague fire, as it changed very little from its live counterpart, I have made no adjustments since the original post aside from reverting it to a state where it is no longer affected by the cap. For the time being we have no immediate plan to make any changes, but again I would advise caution with regards to investing in either of these exclusively because the resistance effect is uncapped. As always, thank you all for your continued feedback!

Thanks a lot, good reading.

So as I understand it, frost is now better that PF in terms of debuffs?