List of current bugs on Hunter Ranger

trinity706

The cooldown reduction seems to be very inconsistent, most of the time it ticks away 1 second at a time regardless if you are shifting. Serpent Weave is useful for "non-cookie cutter" HR builds/rotations where shifting can be used to reduce melee cooldowns which will in turn reduce ranged cooldowns when those melee encounters are performed (Swiftness of the Fox).

auntjimima

can one actually notice a difference between rank 1 of that feat and rank 5? I am curious because maybe poorly written tooltip that may actually be just a flat reduction for at least having some of the feat.

anyone actually test this feat? or is this all bind trust?

jonkoca

Hmm, yeah, I never tried it at less than 5. It does work, I used to shave 4-5 seconds off pg with it in PvP with every stamina regen boon etc. I could take and constant shifting, but whether just having 1 point in would do the same idk.

alliera7311

Plant Growths tool tip dmg no longer matches its actual dmg out put. Idk how I or anyone hasn't noticed this yet. For example, the white numbers for me are 59,257-71,297 on a non crit. What I'm actualy hitting is 15000-19,000 on a non crit. So in short Plant Growth no longer is out best dmg move. Everything else we do in dmg on a crit is a little over double what our white tool tip vaules are. So before you say I'm wrong check it. I was wondering why SS is hitting harder than PG even without a dread boosting it. Ill be making a vid tomorrow when I get more time.

jaegernl

I believe it has always been that way, @alliera7311 . Tooltip shows the total amount of damage, and not the damage per tick. If you multiply your numbers by four - the amount of ticks - it sounds about right.

alliera7311

@jaegernl I dont think so because in mod 9 it use to hit like a train way harder than SS ever could. If the the dmg adds up the way you said which I'm sure it does not anything that is DoT based would do the same and it doesn't. I'm telling you all they messed it more than we thought doing there little "fixes". Please go and look into it.

leej77

any one else having problems with 12 bondings not proking to 100 % HR trapper

jaegernl

alliera7311 said:

@jaegernl I dont think so because in mod 9 it use to hit like a train way harder than SS ever could. If the the dmg adds up the way you said which I'm sure it does not anything that is DoT based would do the same and it doesn't. I'm telling you all they messed it more than we thought doing there little "fixes". Please go and look into it.

I'll run a few parses to see if I can find anything. I'll keep you posted!

alliera7311

@jaegernl I'll do some test of my own this week as well. I'm pretty certain PG use to hit those white numbers per tick on a non crit and a little over double that on a crit. They did nothing to decrease the tool tip vaule in previous patches. Of course we all know they decreased the range and how fast the ticks worked per second and in doing so created the delay which is getting patched.

jhpnw

I seem to Remember something about all HR encounters were changed to only effect a max of 5 enemies

thefiresidecat

I thought that was JUST pg. not everything.

davidagaldo

^^^^ That is also what I read in past patch notes.

dmcewen

All of the aoe powers for the HR are capped at 5 to include dailies and at-wills if I'm not mistaken.

alliera7311

I'm not talking about the target cap everyone knows about the cap. Check the dmg tool tip it doesn't match per tick on it's dmg out put it's way off.

nirafelos

I don't know if this is really considered a bug, or if it's actually restricted to Split the Sky, but I often encounter situations in which the entire animation of casting Split the Sky plays, but the power does not actually take effect or go on cooldown. I think this has to do with trying to cast it while at the tail end of movement? But it often results in an effective total waste of 2 seconds.

jaegernl

nirafelos said:

I don't know if this is really considered a bug, or if it's actually restricted to Split the Sky, but I often encounter situations in which the entire animation of casting Split the Sky plays, but the power does not actually take effect or go on cooldown. I think this has to do with trying to cast it while at the tail end of movement? But it often results in an effective total waste of 2 seconds.

There's a couple of powers who suffer from the same issue. It's not just Hunter Ranger or Split the Sky. It often has to do with either dodging too soon, or using another skill quickly after Split the Sky. You will often see it go on cooldown for a split second, but then go back to not being on cooldown at all. The same happens with Rain of Swords. If you do your loop-ti-loop, but dodge too soon, it will not apply. Interestingly, it will proc Flurry. I do agree it's very, very annoying. Rain of Swords was a common encounter back in the day when everyone used Royal Guard. Combat Stormwarden was rather common back then, and Rain of Swords would proc the Combat Capstone on every tick, and every tick had a chance to proc the cooldown reduction of Royal Guard, effectively leaving you with very little, if any, skills on cooldown.

Some powers can be animation canceled, some can be used to cancel longer animations on other skills - Longstrider's for example - and some can't be animation canceled. A useful trick for people using Relic Weaponry and the Wheel, who don't want to use a dodge, and thereby trigger the defensive buff, is to activate the Wheel (or Tome) and then hit Longstrider's instantly after. You won't be 'locked in place' by the casting animation of the Wheel.

zell400

So I'm pretty stoked PG is gettin some attention. Has anyone else noticed that hindering strike frequently misses... Like it goes on cool down animation is there but I just missed all enemies. Been this way for longtime now and surprised nobody has mentioned it. Pretty big hit to trappers damage when it does miss. Throws off cool downs and just really screws rotations over. On ps4 if that makes a difference

jaegernl

alliera7311 said:

I'm not talking about the target cap everyone knows about the cap. Check the dmg tool tip it doesn't match per tick on it's dmg out put it's way off.

I took a look at the thread by @thefabricant - found *here* - where it's mentioned that Plant Growth has a 0th Rank. I suspect this is causing the discrepancy you see between tooltip and damage. I'll ask him about it when I see him online.

I'm however, still not convinced the tooltip damage is supposed to be per tick. Most, if not all, DoT skills have the same on their tooltip. I tried scouring through through gameplay footage from previous modules, but never was the tooltip shown. The only thing I did have were some notes from mod 7-8, on the division of damage sources - the ACT pie chart - where Thorned Roots and Plant Growth were roughly equal. It's the same for me now, after the fix.

It was pretty painful watching myself play back then, heh. The rotation is totally wrong.

jaegernl

zell400#8061 said:

So I'm pretty stoked PG is gettin some attention. Has anyone else noticed that hindering strike frequently misses... Like it goes on cool down animation is there but I just missed all enemies. Been this way for longtime now and surprised nobody has mentioned it. Pretty big hit to trappers damage when it does miss. Throws off cool downs and just really screws rotations over. On ps4 if that makes a difference

This is a good addition. Hindering Strike does have a tedency to 'whiff' and miss everything. I'm going to head over to Preview and see if I can recreate it.

zell400

Tytyty quite frustrating always wiffs when I need to hit the most lol

thefabricant

jaegernl said:

alliera7311 said:

I'm not talking about the target cap everyone knows about the cap. Check the dmg tool tip it doesn't match per tick on it's dmg out put it's way off.

I took a look at the thread by @thefabricant - found *here* - where it's mentioned that Plant Growth has a 0th Rank. I suspect this is causing the discrepancy you see between tooltip and damage. I'll ask him about it when I see him online.

I'm however, still not convinced the tooltip damage is supposed to be per tick. Most, if not all, DoT skills have the same on their tooltip. I tried scouring through through gameplay footage from previous modules, but never was the tooltip shown. The only thing I did have were some notes from mod 7-8, on the division of damage sources - the ACT pie chart - where Thorned Roots and Plant Growth were roughly equal. It's the same for me now, after the fix.

It was pretty painful watching myself play back then, heh. The rotation is totally wrong.

@jaegernl the reason the tooltip is off is because it calculates assuming it ticks 5 times rather than 4 times, it does however account for the 0th rank.

zell400

Were you able to recreate this very problematic hindering strike?

wdj40

zell400#8061 said:

Were you able to recreate this very problematic hindering strike?

I have used it since Mod 5, every day, I have never ever seen it not hit when i am in range.

jaegernl

zell400#8061 said:

Were you able to recreate this very problematic hindering strike?

I've spent about half an hour jumping, running, shifting, using skills and using Hindering Strike around dummies without success. Then I do a Prophecy of Madness and my second hit with Hindering Strike wiffs past mobs without doing anything.

I've considered the possibility of it being a latency issue - a disconnect between your location and mobs moving - but my ping isn't terrible - around ~90 - so that didn't seem very likely. Could you tell me your rotation and where in that rotation Hindering Strike comes? For instance, on melee side I open with Plant Growth (2x Serpent), Steel Breeze, quick hit, Hindering (2x Ranged Serpent to boost Roots).

wdj40 said:

I have used it since Mod 5, every day, I have never ever seen it not hit when i am in range.

It can be quite hard to notice in the absolute clustertruck of damage floaters coming up from the monsters if you're using CA, Plant Growth and Thorned Roots, but I've definitly experienced what he's describing. One way of noticing is the sound Hindering Strike makes. It's very different from when you hit with it, as you won't hear the sound of bushes being rustled (application of Thorned Roots).

zell400

Rotation changes depending on what's going on. But usual rotation careful att ,Pg Hs St,,Con Cordon Hs. Have play the hr since release on ps4 and has been this way since it unlocked leveling up. Most people who just push buttons and don't know what is really going on would probably not even realized HS missed bit it is real.

wdj40

jaegernl said:

zell400#8061 said:

Were you able to recreate this very problematic hindering strike?

I've spent about half an hour jumping, running, shifting, using skills and using Hindering Strike around dummies without success. Then I do a Prophecy of Madness and my second hit with Hindering Strike wiffs past mobs without doing anything.

I've considered the possibility of it being a latency issue - a disconnect between your location and mobs moving - but my ping isn't terrible - around ~90 - so that didn't seem very likely. Could you tell me your rotation and where in that rotation Hindering Strike comes? For instance, on melee side I open with Plant Growth (2x Serpent), Steel Breeze, quick hit, Hindering (2x Ranged Serpent to boost Roots).

wdj40 said:

I have used it since Mod 5, every day, I have never ever seen it not hit when i am in range.

It can be quite hard to notice in the absolute clustertruck of damage floaters coming up from the monsters if you're using CA, Plant Growth and Thorned Roots, but I've definitly experienced what he's describing. One way of noticing is the sound Hindering Strike makes. It's very different from when you hit with it, as you won't hear the sound of bushes being rustled (application of Thorned Roots).

Hmmmm weird, I'm not saying it doesnt happen its just not happened to me or its so rare i never noticed it. My personal set up is LS>Constricting>Hindering with Slashers and Disruptive.

jaegernl

I don't expect nor want another overhaul. I was very content with the place the Trapper had before the previous overhaul, and glad the overhaul brought Combat up to speed. I've seen a few respectable Archery brothers, but they're in short supply.

My position has always been an impopular one: There's too much damage and characters are too powerful. There's a couple of ways to remedy that. Either, you increase content difficulty, at the risk of alienating the more casual player base, or you nerf all classes, pissing off the players who've min/maxed the hell out of their characters. My biggest fear, though, is that if all the issues with the HR - and not just HR, but all classes - get fixed, it'll become even clearer how stupidly overpowered - God Tier - players can become. I know it sounds silly, but bugs and stuff not working - like Orcus set - seems the be the last thing keeping the massive power creep in check.

pitshade

I agree that power creep is completely out of control, but the root causes of this are lack of diminishing returns on stats and bonding stones. Touching either of those would be risky for Cryptic and I don't look for it to happen. Can the game survive Elemental Evil 2?

kleineryoda

Melee version of Commanding Shot: Stag Heart gives temp. HP to you and one Ally. So far so good. but at ranks 2 to 4 it should affect 2 more allies every time - but it doesn't.

No matter if I am far away or in the middle of a group (in a party), it only ever affects 1 Ally - which I am not even aible to choose / aim for.

Has been raisd in the bug reports forum before, but obviously nothing happened ...

mamalion1234

Gushing wound and carefull attack is a result of allies and the hunter and not hunter on his own.
Same for a control wizard in a lesser degree with abyss of chaos.
MY point posting that info is : paingiver or and combat tracker they are not always tell the truth.
AND that is cryptic's fault not because count those powers on the class but they dont credit every power to the owners but only what is related to paingiver.

THANks.

P.S. is not a hate post is an answer mostly for hunters posting videos and bashing other classes and call them weak.