Adjust min IL

asterotg

It seems, that many ppl have spent their stored keys and had to adapt, to run more dungeons. The result is, that many slap some enchants on alts and que for every available dungeon.

Good for them, you could say, but imo it destroyed random que system. Before these changes the PUG groups were not the cream of the crop, but what I see now is a joke. No weapon enchant, no armor enchant, artifact gear at lvl 1, 2k IL and up it goes to CN.

I know, that there are 2k groups, who can complete CN and good players can strip down to 2k and nail it. This are not the ppl running now. I asked some of these 2k GFs, to use ITF for the speed/dmg buff. No response. I asked DCs for DG, AA, BtS or HG, no response. If ppl cant be bothered, to put one RP into their gear, I would think, that they have no boons except SH boons (some of these guys were in R 20 guilds).

I dont need an advice to join an active guild/ alliance. I am in a guild with 150 members and a rank +200 alliance. I just liked to run PuG some times, for the fun of it or bc I did not want to search for a group.

The system of random que is great and could provide a service for solo players or small guilds. As it is, these ppl are out of luck. They get grouped with leechers, hoping for the 3.5k-BIS player to come along and solo the dungeon for them.

They could adjust the min IL for public que and remove it for private que. This way a premade group can try whatever they want with any gear and the public que group has a decent chance to get a group able to finish the dungeon.

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asterotg

magenubbie said:

Long story short: your problem is with incompetent players. While that was always an issue with PuGs, I don't see how raising the IL will fix your issue. For 100k you can raise your IL by 450 if your enchantment slots are empty. It's a small price to pay for having an alt run dungeons. But that doesn't make a player competent all of a sudden and many players would pay the price for it.

Ideally access to dungeons should be granted not based on IL, but on past accomplishments. Meaning you'll have to start easy and work your way up the content. It's the most fair system possible and -in theory- would assure that people have at least some basic understanding of their character before entering the harder dungeons.

Alas, even that doesn't fix the problem at hand. It's a simple matter of running once with the guild/alliance and you're home free. There is no cure against incompetence/stupidity apart from not participating in it. Which means don't PuG anything you can't solo.

You are right, IL does not cure incompetence. This is not a problem for me, bc most of the times I que solo or duo witch chars, that can complete the dungeon without the other players. For me it is just annoying.

My concern is, that this development will ruin pubic que once and for all and a higher min IL is more investment and hopefully the player dedicate more time to this chars, if they did pump some ADs into them.

All of my LS alts have +2k IL from R7s, leftover twisted weapons, account bound gear, class artifact and character bound RPs, but 2.5k IL need some refinement, some investment and hopefully some time spent on this character.

namelesshero347

I doubt they will do it since it will benefit only higher iLvl characters by letting them do more speed runs. Reality is, even for CN, you need only a solid tank and one HDPS to finish the run in a reasonable time. And with the key changes, it only encourages people to dust off their invoke toons and look for carries.

santralafax

The PUG queue has been dead since well before key change. I used to always run PUG--but now i never pops or you wind up with groups such as you mention.

asterotg

santralafax said:

The PUG queue has been dead since well before key change. I used to always run PUG--but now i never pops or you wind up with groups such as you mention.

I use it to fill up our group. Most of the time we are two or 3 ppl. Most of the time the other player contribution is insignificant. Two days ago we did get grouped with a 2.8k IL GF. He did a solid job and we asked him, to join us for the other runs. He thanked us for the first run and for inviting him. e told us, that he is without a guild and happy, if he can find a decent group, to run dungeons with.

These are the ppl the low IL hurts. He was good enough to contribute and to finish the run, but not geared enough, to carry a group of min IL PuGs.