demo/edemo rewards clustering

thefiresidecat

I've been seeing a pattern. have you noticed when people call out what they got from the chest and often just from the end of game drop it's all in the same family? like if one gets defense its likely most will get defense or whatever? it's at the point where I'm considering not opening the chest unless people are calling out brutalities or what not. I can't recall a time when someone that calls out omg I got a plus 5 xxxxx type ring.. isn't of the same type I pulled but with mine being the grand plus 1. lol

the keys are so rare for this game mode that it seems like it might be a solid option. Of course if everyone starts doing it no one will be able to call out what they got so the rest can make a decision. LOL.

demonmonger

I noticed this also.

ltsmithneko

Wish that worke for me.

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josh

In multiple occasions after killing the demon in phase 2 of master Demogorgon, which should result in a gold medal achievement for the phase, the demon walks off as if he wasn't killed and resulted in a silver medal this hinders the overall results and prevents players from getting the correct loot at the end of the raid. I know I'm not the only one that's seen this. How often does this happen

rjc9000

To answer the OP, my only advice is to pick a god and pray, because the RNG Goddess is a vindictive HAMSTER.

josh#3174 said:

In multiple occasions after killing the demon in phase 2 of master Demogorgon, which should result in a gold medal achievement for the phase, the demon walks off as if he wasn't killed and resulted in a silver medal this hinders the overall results and prevents players from getting the correct loot at the end of the raid. I know I'm not the only one that's seen this. How often does this happen

This is happening because you guys are killing Goristro before the announcer says "Silver!".

I can count the numerous times that I've run with Freedom, Sharpwit, Fernuu, or WickedDuck and we got Silver/Bronze on Phase 2... because we kill Goristro too fast.

Remember that Mod8 content wasn't really designed around Bondings as well as the raw weapon damage of Relic weapons...

ltsmithneko

rjc9000 said:

To answer the OP, my only advice is to pick a god and pray, because the RNG Goddess is a vindictive HAMSTER.

josh#3174 said:

In multiple occasions after killing the demon in phase 2 of master Demogorgon, which should result in a gold medal achievement for the phase, the demon walks off as if he wasn't killed and resulted in a silver medal this hinders the overall results and prevents players from getting the correct loot at the end of the raid. I know I'm not the only one that's seen this. How often does this happen

This is happening because you guys are killing Goristro before the announcer says "Silver!".

I can count the numerous times that I've run with Freedom, Sharpwit, Fernuu, or WickedDuck and we got Silver/Bronze on Phase 2... because we kill Goristro too fast.

Remember that Mod8 content wasn't really designed around Bondings as well as the raw weapon damage of Relic weapons...

I tend to blow up the boss still by accident, simply due to my high dmg n' playing with my fav buffer's... cx So I try not to touch em instead, but then again sometimes even though he's been blown up my group has still been given Gold. c:

teahousefox

I haven't been doing Demogorgon long, so I had a related question that I guess you all kinda answered, which is regarding eDemo loot, and if it was better.

It seems to be random, no matter what. EDemo or regular, it's a coin toss what you get. I ground out several normal Demo gold runs without seeing more than +1 rings. Then with no real indication of why, a Brutality +5, out of the chest from a silver Demo fight. Then this morning, a Charging Bull +4, and it was another normal silver run. In both those runs, only the Goristro phase was silver.

Is the incidence of the good rings any higher in eDemo? Cause it looks like it isn't, judging by the comments, and that I might as well stick with normal runs to get a second ring to wear. Is getting the books needed for the campaign a factor in which version I should pick?

santralafax

If you have a +5 Brutality, you hve had your good RNG. I've run it 250 times or more since it came out, and have never seen even a bad +5 ring. Grats to you!

pitshade

teahousefox#8853,

The loot quality is always random, such as it can be in a computer game. At completion, you get a chance at a random ring with a Silver finish and a guaranteed ring with Gold. The chest will always have a random ring.

teahousefox

Thanks....
Wait... I only get one good one? So.. No chance of the RNG goddess smiling on me for a legendary lockbox mount then?

But still, the chances are not better for a gold vs silver, or epic vs normal?

pitshade

Normal Demo and Master have the exact same rewards, except that you can only get Twisted Ichor in Master. Either way, you if you open the chest, you get a random ring and a chance at some other loot such as On Madness or one of the items added last month. These are completely unrelated to how the raid scored. Any time there is a chest in a skirmish, dungeon or raid, it is pass/fail. You down the boss, you can open the chest if you have a needed key.

Regarding the score (gold etc...) that can give rewards without opening the chest. As I said before, a gold result is a guaranteed ring, silver is a chance at a ring, anything else is no reward. Additionally it determines how much Faerzress you get from completion and if you are doing Master, adds Twisted Ichor to the chest. I assume it also controls whether you have a chance at the ultra rare drop of a Twisted mainhand or offhand for your class.

So with a gold result, you get 1 ring and if you use a key, a second ring. A silver result may give you a ring but the chest will always have a ring. Anything else you will only get a ring from the chest. All of these rings are completely random as to the quality. Your team can do terribly in the trial and you can pull a legendary ring from the chest. (had this happen from a PUG Throne skirmish once) Your team can get Gold and you walk out with 2 blue rings.

IMO this was a driving force behind the October Keygate revolt and is still unaddressed by the loot changes last month.

Also, if you need boon books for any campaign, go the Auction House and save yourselve a lot of grief. If at some point in the future you get it as a drop, sell it and recoup your earlier expense.

thefiresidecat

the ring may be random depending on the quality but have you not noticed that everyone seems to pull the same kind of ring from the chest as a general rule. you dn't see it in rando runs but guild runs where everyone calls it out it's almost always the same type of ring. for the whole team in varying qualities. from plus 1 to plus 5.

ltsmithneko

teahousefox#8853 said:

I haven't been doing Demogorgon long, so I had a related question that I guess you all kinda answered, which is regarding eDemo loot, and if it was better.



It seems to be random, no matter what. EDemo or regular, it's a coin toss what you get. I ground out several normal Demo gold runs without seeing more than +1 rings. Then with no real indication of why, a Brutality +5, out of the chest from a silver Demo fight. Then this morning, a Charging Bull +4, and it was another normal silver run. In both those runs, only the Goristro phase was silver.



Is the incidence of the good rings any higher in eDemo? Cause it looks like it isn't, judging by the comments, and that I might as well stick with normal runs to get a second ring to wear. Is getting the books needed for the campaign a factor in which version I should pick?

Next mod that might be subject to change though, stated in the preview notes Tiamat and Demo are going to be freely queue'ing whenever you want in Mod 11, so it might just end up like Normal SVA, not really much of a reason to run it except if ya want the survivior's wraps, but we'll have to wait and see if the collections next module states that legendary rings can no longer drop in norm.

teahousefox

Thanks for the info. I'm still very noobish about how the game works, so every bit helps. Free queue is awesome... Well, still gated by the production of keys. I have not yet done the Tiamat fight, as I only just squeaked up to 2600gs this morning.

I got the survivors wraps this morning as well, in gold normal demo. I am debating about those, since I'm giving up 9k health (and bleeding for 25% with every daily) for 2k power.

I did get two of the books at the ah, but balked at the ask for the other. The last one was not there at all, so I figured it was bind on pickup and you have to grind for it.

pitshade

I am fairly certain that I have bought both Spelunking and Madness on the AH. Sometimes the search function bugs out though and you may need to close then window and try again. Be sure to select the bottom category Miscellaneous IIRC. The latter underdark boons aren't absolutely necessary, though I assume Orcus counts as a demon, so extra damage or resistance is going to be useful.

Tiamat IL is like 1700 btw and generally the raid only needs a handful of higher damage dealers to be a success. It's more about people following instructions.

qexotic

The change to Tiamat could be a really bad thing. Unless you have a lot of friends or are in a fairly active guild/alliance, it could become very hard to find a Tiamat run as pulling in 24 other random players will not be easy. At least when it happens on the hour, every hour there are often enough people available, especially at weekends when the donations have climbed up to around 100%.

sorce

qexotic said:

The change to Tiamat could be a really bad thing. Unless you have a lot of friends or are in a fairly active guild/alliance, it could become very hard to find a Tiamat run as pulling in 24 other random players will not be easy. At least when it happens on the hour, every hour there are often enough people available, especially at weekends when the donations have climbed up to around 100%.

True, but double Tyranny weekends is going t be a Tiamat spam fest

elrondknight

pitshade said:

I am fairly certain that I have bought both Spelunking and Madness on the AH. Sometimes the search function bugs out though and you may need to close then window and try again. Be sure to select the bottom category Miscellaneous IIRC. The latter underdark boons aren't absolutely necessary, though I assume Orcus counts as a demon, so extra damage or resistance is going to be useful.



Tiamat IL is like 1700 btw and generally the raid only needs a handful of higher damage dealers to be a success. It's more about people following instructions.

1.7k is the IL gate to get in the door... however most runs will simply be abandoned if there are a minority of players under 3k

greywynd

elrondknight said:

1.7k is the IL gate to get in the door... however most runs will simply be abandoned if there are a minority of players under 3k

So they enact a heinous Leaver Penalty. About a week or so should do it.

pitshade

elrondknight, first of all you might not have wanted to use the term minority there and second, if you team with decent human beings it won't be an issue.

teahousefox

For the original topic, regardless of the drops, they didn't seem to be all the same. I would get a +1 reflex sight, and the group tank got a +3 rising defense. This went on for a week.

We have indeed held off on Tiamat because of gear score. Just because you can queue doesn't mean the rest of the party agrees you have met the base requirements for it. Even when most people know the fight. Last night was my groups first mDemo, and while I got epic headgear from the chest, the fight was ugly(bronze). At least one person was just over the recommended 2500. I'm actually happy at normal until we build up more.

But it makes me wonder if the recommended gear score for the queues needs to be reevaluated.

Or perhaps that people use power/item level to counter rushed or careless fighting? Cause if the sign says "you need to be this tall to get on this ride" and you still can get thrown out of the rollercoaster car, the gear score is misleading.

gildriador

I noticed the same thing in CN , I got an Orcus +4 ring and an other player got Orcus +5 ring.

Maybe it's random, but it's curious that I noticed this in CN too...

mebengalsfan

I get gold regularly but I never see anything other than +1 rings that are for PVP.

I do find it odd though that whatever I get prior to opening the chest I also get in the chest in Demo, PoM, and Throne. It is basically not cool seeing the same 2 crappy items. Ugh....