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acro33
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Why would you devs practially give us the new weapons and then have the new marks needed to upgrade them locked away in Svardborg where players who are below 3.5K can't get them? I understand that you meant for Svardborg and Fangbreaker Island to be for the best of the best players and there's nothing wrong with that.
But putting marks that everyone, regardless of IL, need in a place that only the elite players can get to is really, really stupid and very unfair.
I'm a CW with a 3.4 IL, six rank 12 enchants, Perfect Dread enchantment, Perfect Soulforged and all my artifacts are mythical and I have all the latest gear at Legendary and yet I've had only ONE invite to FBI since Mod 10 launched because other players consider me 'low level'.
I really f**king hope you see the error of your ways and have these marks be attainable through some other form other than just Svardborg. Put them in the Wondrous Bazaar, Trade Bar Store or even the Zen store. Hell, you can even make them expensive just as long as we get another way of getting them. It's very unfair as it is and I know that a lot of other people agree wholeheartedly with me.
But putting marks that everyone, regardless of IL, need in a place that only the elite players can get to is really, really stupid and very unfair.
I'm a CW with a 3.4 IL, six rank 12 enchants, Perfect Dread enchantment, Perfect Soulforged and all my artifacts are mythical and I have all the latest gear at Legendary and yet I've had only ONE invite to FBI since Mod 10 launched because other players consider me 'low level'.
I really f**king hope you see the error of your ways and have these marks be attainable through some other form other than just Svardborg. Put them in the Wondrous Bazaar, Trade Bar Store or even the Zen store. Hell, you can even make them expensive just as long as we get another way of getting them. It's very unfair as it is and I know that a lot of other people agree wholeheartedly with me.
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It isn't happening. The devs expect you to work for your weapons, and by work, I mean grind. And also pray for good drops.
About your "getting into Svard/FBI groups" issue: perhaps you could quickly respec into a MoF Renegade to get into a group?
No offense man, but Spellstorm Mages and other DPS classes with high Ilvls, are available a dime a dozen, which might be the biggest issue.
But MoFs? People always want buffers/debuffers to make the run quicker.
It's just simple numbers, if 2 people you dont know ask to join and one has more than the other its natural to pick the one that has more.
It;s hurting alot of DPSers in my guild, and the best way to get in is by forming your own group or having friends that go/form groups who can get you in.
and also the featured satirical comedic adventure "A Call for Heroes".
But the part about great demand reminds me of when Svard first came out.
Little, if any support players ready to go to ESvard. Not much different than now, to be honest.
I think I saw a team willing to give out GMoPs for a AA DC to join their team. Granted, it wasn't SMoPs, but I wish my DC did the campaign enough to capitalize on that offer...
But putting marks that everyone, regardless of IL, need in a place that only the elite players can get to is really, really stupid and very unfair."
Not only the elite can go to svardborg. Anyone under 2.8 can go to nsva and anyone under 3.2 can go to msva. But I understand your point.
Elitism is not Cryptic's fault, it's people's fault. Like one guy said here: naturally if you need one hdps and you have to pick between 2 players: one is 3.5k gs and the other is 4k gs..you pick the 4k one. People are like that. I'm a bit different...if the group is in need of a HR, I pick the HR...if the group already has 2-3 gwfs, I pick another class, no matter if a 4.3k gwf send me a tell and the other class is 3.4k gs only, I still choose the other class.
But I usually pick the first one to send me a message, not the highest ilvl toon.
Because most of 4ks suck and that's the truth. I'm 3,919 at the moment with 16M ad at my disposal but I'm not spending AD to be 4k gs just to get into these elitists groups, I don't care, I prefer to save my money for my legendary mount.
What you can do is...make friends, one time or another you will get into these "elitist" groups where you are with another four 4k+ "hdps". You do your job and if you excel at it, I mean, if you stay very close to the top ones, or even if you are the first on the top chart, they will look at you like you are special. It's ridiculous, I know, but that's how it works.
In the end, GS means nothing, I've seen a lot of 3.4k gs people doing double damage of a 4k character. What you need in Master SVA is dps and coordination. The trial has a 20 minutes time limit, and any good 3.2k gs group can do it in 20 minutes if they know what they are doing. The problem again, is the elitism and time-saving minds...a LOT, when I say a LOT I really mean A LOT..of players don't like doing Master SVA in 12+ minutes, why? Because they are accustomed to do it in 6-7 minutes..so if it takes 12min the first thing that comes to their minds is "this group sucks, I want a better group".
I've ran msva with very hyper super awesome groups and with not-that-good groups, where I did 2 times the damage of the second highest damage dealer in the group, and it took around 13 minutes to complete. I left? No, I stayed with them for 7 runs. If I left, maybe it could take 15min, but still, they could do it.
In the end, players like to run with good players. If I run anything in this game with you and you do very good, I don't care if your GS is 3.5k or 3k, I want you with me, you know what I mean? Or if you are a good friend, I would bring you even if you suck no matter what gs you have.
I've seen dozens of 4k+ characters doing half the damage of 3.5k characters.
"You are not talking about the marks themselves, but about elitism". Yes! And that's exactly the problem here...the elitism created by players.
Again, MSVA is available to any 3.2 gs character. And again, any decent group can do it under 3.2k gs...maybe it takes 18-19 minutes, yes...but they will do it. Not cryptic's fault that people are elitist and want to do in 6 minutes what is supposed to be done in 10-20 minutes.
There's nothing wrong with legendary marks dropping from master svardborg. Like you said, it's end game content, it's for the well geared and skilled characters...so it should not be available to any person, to a casual player. No game in existence gives casual players BIS gear. it's something you should work hard for. I say Cryptic is "an angel" to let people make the green BIS weapons (something meant to be wielded only by well-geared and skilled players) under any GS. They just need patience to farm the lanolins, moults, fish and do the dailies (they can do it even at low gs if they are carried by friends or other players), or they can just buy materials from AH by farming AD from any other source.
I've done around 180 runs and I still need 2 sup marks of stig to finish my off-hand..sometimes it's really hard to find groups even though my friendlist is full people who always make groups for msva.
You don't need the best gear to be good, you don't need the BIS gear to run end game content...just do your job well and people will recognize it and they will bring you to end game content. People are like that in MMORPGs.
Or take the other guy's advice and go MoF Renegade so everyone will take you because like said here before in the topic, there are a LOT of dps classes competing for a spot in MSVA, but they are always looking for buffers/debuffers.
I told that to a friend of mine, he's a CW too. And he told me "I don't like the idea of buffing the others, I want to do dps". Yes, I didn't like the idea of tanking dungeons too back in WoW, but that was how I got gear to run harder content as a dps. It's his opinion, ok....but he probably will get stuck by waiting "friendship" to bring him to msva because people are elitists and that's not his fault.
The first time I did FBI I was 3.1k GS..what brought me to FBI? Friendship.
Before the last double rp event I was 3.5-3.6 gs and I had a lot of FBI runs before that.
You said you got only 1 FBI run until today, this friend of mine is 3.3 cw too and everyday he runs FBI at least once, his bondings are not even r12 yet, they are r11 if I recall correctly, but he has a hard time getting into MSVA groups.
To run CN, ETOS, ELOL, anyone can run. But the end game content is made for well geared and skilled players, and it's like that in any game. A casual or average character couldn't run Heroic Icecrown Citadel in WoW during the Wrath of the Lich King's expansion. An average or casual character can't do GR 150 in Diablo nowadays (I believe that's the maximum GR a toon can do in a 4-man run in Diablo at the moment, I can't tell because I quit diablo). A casual or average player can't beat Dark Anima and Penance in Final Fantasy X (not without the broken Zanmato). A casual or average player can't beat Yiazmat in Final Fantasy 12. A casual or average player can't finish resident evil 1 in 1 and half an hour (not without cheats). I could give more examples.
All games have end game content and they will always have. And they are not created for casual or average players.
If you have a good guild capable of running MSVA that's really cool. But if you don't have, you gonna need to deal with pugs, thus leading you to have to show your skills to the others so they will want you, or you bring what they need (in that case buffs).
I'm sure a lot of players will be really upset and angry if they put marks for a BIS weapon to be sold for any casual players. THIS is unfair. You need to work hard for the best weapons, it should be not affordable by a guy who plays 1 hour per week, not like that..maybe if in that 1 hour per week he runs msva 6 times and has an awesome luck, thus getting 2 legendary marks per week...he would get his weapon set orange in 15 weeks. But not the guy who sits in Protector's Enclave and do only Esot, CN and KR, and can buy a legendary weapon because he got lucky by getting 5 Shards of Orcus (who the hell gets 5 shards ? I got 3 in 2 weeks but I don't run CN anymore). He can buy bondings r12, r12 enchantments, even masterwork gear with his "effort", but no, not BIS weapons, it's not fair.
You can get purple BIS weapons by running Normal SVA. The drop rate for the epic marks is low but you still can get BIS weapons with 2.8k gearscore. It's not that enough for a 2.8k-3k gs toon?
You're asking the same as putting artifacts or legendary weapons to sell in a merchant for a level 8 party in D&D 5th edition (pen and paper). This is the same as a 8th-level Fighter being able to buy a Vorpal sword from a merchant, or a 8th-level Wizard being able to buy a Staff of the Magi from a merchant.
You're asking the same as putting Dark Matters (or even worse, a Ribbon) to sell in a merchant (in Final Fantasy X), or an upgrade for a lvl 149 gem from a merchant (Diablo 3) or a Rocket Launcher to sell in a merchant (Resident Evil 1). Or even a Celestial Weapon to sell in a merchant (if you know Final Fantasy X well, these are the BIS weapon for that game and you needed around 2 hours of dodging 200 thunderbolts from the sky by timing it, you couldn't miss ONE, you should dodge all 200 bolts IN A ROW).
You're asking the same as THIS http://www.wowhead.com/item=49623/shadowmourne, which you had to get 50 shards http://www.wowhead.com/item=50274/shadowfrost-shard from heroic bosses in Heroic Icecrown Citadel. You can check their drop rates, varying from 8 to 12%...you could do the dungeon just once per week...you could get let's say according to maths and probability 1 shard per week since there were 12 bosses (or 2 shards if you ran the 10-man version and the 25-man version). And, if there was another Death Knight, Warrior or Retribution Paladin you needed to compete with them in Need rolls (like the ones we have here). That was the BIS two-handed weapon for 2 handed melee characters in Wow that time, and only the best players could do that dungeon, very very high skilled players spent around 2 months working on the dungeon to be able to complete it for the first time because it was hard as hell. And you're asking the same as to be able to buy those 50 precious things even if you have to pay expensive for it.
I can agree with you if you say the drop rate is ridiculous low. But what you want man, is literally to be able to buy everything you need for a legendary best in slot weapon from a merchant. You want to BUY best in slot gear, that makes no sense. The game has enough pay to win stuff, please...
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Armor is pretty much the same... you can buy almost BIS armor from the AH or the ZEN market.
You can buy most campaigns. You can even buy Genie's stuff to complete boons and you can buy stacks of treasure from the AH instead of running Tiamat. You can buy rank 12 enchants and mounts and companions.
You can even buy your leveling to 70.....
There's almost nothing you can't buy with cash.... Namely the current campaign and the marks. Still the difference between a BIS character and the best you can buy straightway is minimal.
I play my main since mod 2 when the HR was released. I'm 3,5k now. Somebody with cash can come in tomorrow and in a few hours have a character that is better than mine except guess what? My purple Relic Weapons and my three FBI armor pieces. And even there he'll be extremely close, with green relic weapons and Warborn/Frostborn/Underdark armors....
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You weren't around for the much anticipated nerf of CW in mod 4 that made the class stronger. There is no point worrying about what Cryptic might do in the future. Even if the DC gets nerfed, I didn't make mine to take advantage of the current climate, she was rolled up a few days after Live Launch and has always been one of my favorites. Secondly by ths time the nerf might hit, I'll have had time to farm SVA for account bound marks, the driving goal here. Lastly, I have at least one 70 of every class but OP, mostly with full campaign completions through mod 4 and some through mod 9. My options are fairly diverse.
I play both pve and pvp and of course I want to upgrade my main to bis level but mod 10.5 is unrealistic - by the time someone like me gets there Im sure the next mod will be either out or almost out bringing in new grinds! The people who are already there with campaign unlocks and relic weapons are either folks who dont go to work and play all day or fat whales who bought all the stuff needed for the relics off the AH.. So ya, simply sucking up and putting in the work doesn't actually work unless you can play 10 hours each day and frankly I wouldn't look for advice on anything from people who play games for 10 hours a day.
Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily, Life is but a dream.
PS: thanks for the typo correction
Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily, Life is but a dream.
Finally apologies if my way of expressing is deemed as offensive, not my intention to pick fights with other players.
Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily, Life is but a dream.
I also always teleport. e.g. I finished SOMI quests, I teleport to Cold run. Go out to do one quest. Teleport to Loneywood. Go out to do one quest. Teleport to BS. Go out to do one quest. When I am in BS and it is not close to the base, I teleport to Cold Run. Submit the quest. Teleport to Loneywood. Submit a quest. Teleport to BS, submit a quest. Teleport to SOMI. Submit the quests.
I don't consider Treasure Hunting is a campaign quest. Hence, I did not add that into the equation.
Isn't this supposed to be fun?
@emilemo is right. I also have a lot of workload to come and invest more time in boring dailies.
I have 3 toons so imagine multiplying that time by 3.!! OMG
I defintely agree with the OP and would love to have an option to buy everything with Zen or from the AH.
(I dont care i prefer to pay for them than invest my time in a boring mod. After all , as i see it for PVP you only need the weapons, so i prefer to ignore the Module, except for the Weapons.)
I mean they have done it with Twisted and Elemental Weapons Sets before...
Hopefully cryptic will release a treasure with those Unbounded Marks needed for Relics Weapons or just outright sell those in Zen Store...you can bet a lot of people will buy them
One may ask who would do 53 toons (not about SKT quest) in one day. I predict many will start to do so 48 hours later.