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ltsmithnekoltsmithneko Member Posts: 1,578 Arc User
edited June 2017 in Guides
The Quartermaster Enchantment


How to Obtain it—One of the hardest enchantments to get a hold of due to the fact you can only get them from the Siege of Neverwinter Event.

Recommended for—All levels of Players, but mostly for a player nearing the end of maxing a toon, and are very heavily focused on ranking up thier enchantments over weapons and artifacts, as well as have the reasources to make this enchantment.

How it Works—Just like the Dragon Hoard enchantment this enchantment has an internal cooldown between drops from enemies and an increasing internal cooldown on the rate you'll be able to get a drop after recieving a few, in other words you might only be able to get 10-15 bags and the first few were fairly quick to get while the last 5 were very spread apart in time wise, but slowly that internal cooldown between drops will go away.

Each bag also contains an enchantment up to Rank 7 (The total chance to drop a bag from all Quartermaster's Enchantments you have equipped determines the rank of enchantments found in the bag, 10.5% for R7's.)
Skip to 1:30 to see the loot. ^-^
http://youtu.be/C2mMvRPzZxM

Loot Bags

Scavenged Supplies.
Looted Goods
Discarded Equipment
Abandoned Gear
Unidentified equipment (Guaranteed)

Spoils of War
Skill Kits (Common Chance)
Level 70 Injury Kits (Uncommon Chance)
Level 60 Potions (Common Chance)
Common to Rare Profession Resources (Common Chance)
Refinement (Rare chance)
Campaign Currencies (Very Rare Chance)

With all bags.
1-2 R6's per bag, 2-4 during 2x.(Guaranteed with 10.5% Chance)
1-2 R7's per bag, 2-4 during 2x.(Rare with 10.5% Chance)


Compared
Between the Dragon Hoard and the Quartermaster you are better off using the Dragon Hoard if you are after ranking up your weapons and Artifacts, but better off with the Quartermaster's if your after just ranking up Enchantments fast.
Between the fey Blessing and the Quartermaster, the Fey Blessing is technically better, BUT requires ALOT more farming since they give R5's while the Quartermaster's give R6's which are alot better during 2x's and you can save the bags until a 2x to get 2x the amount you were going to recieve. So the Quartermasters are a step up from fey Blessing since it requires alot less farming for a greater pay out most of the time.

Extra Note
There are a few different bags you may get from the Quartermaster's depending on the enemies you are fighting at that time, it doesn't matter what color the bag is it'll give you enchantments depending on the % only, the only thing the bag will affect is the additional loot you'll recieve, kits, profession supplies, refinement stones, etc. Neither does your level affect the enchantments earned.

3x R12 will grant 10.5%.

*Refrain from using the Mako's ring to reach the % needed, or you'll need 11% instead, if you use all 6 Utility's
Post edited by ltsmithneko on

Comments

  • sundance777sundance777 Member Posts: 1,097 Arc User
    Somewhere I am certain I read that the bags from the Quartermaster's can produce campaign currency but I cannot not seem to find it documented anywhere now. Maybe it was only stated on the item description from the vendor during the event.

    I know someone in my guild received a dragon sigil or other Tyranny currency, I am wondering if linu's favor could be one of the currencies and will they double during double campaign currency?
    TR - Sun: 16000 IL
    OP - Sunshine: 16000 IL

    Casual Dailies
  • spoomeister#9137 spoomeister Member Posts: 105 Arc User
    I assume the QM cooldowns are independent of each other? So if I have say 3 utility slots I can set aside for gemming up for gem-hunting, and I can't afford / don't have 3 dragon hoards, I can do 3 quartermasters and they won't get in each others' way, so to speak?

    I'm currently at a QM8 and 2 Fey8s and considering whether to get more QMs and get higher ranks of them, go after DMs, or keep this current odd spread I have.
  • ltsmithnekoltsmithneko Member Posts: 1,578 Arc User

    Somewhere I am certain I read that the bags from the Quartermaster's can produce campaign currency but I cannot not seem to find it documented anywhere now. Maybe it was only stated on the item description from the vendor during the event.

    I know someone in my guild received a dragon sigil or other Tyranny currency, I am wondering if linu's favor could be one of the currencies and will they double during double campaign currency?

    They do drop campaign curriencies, but are fairly rare to see one pop up, I am very doubtful that linu would be one of em. :p
  • ltsmithnekoltsmithneko Member Posts: 1,578 Arc User

    I assume the QM cooldowns are independent of each other? So if I have say 3 utility slots I can set aside for gemming up for gem-hunting, and I can't afford / don't have 3 dragon hoards, I can do 3 quartermasters and they won't get in each others' way, so to speak?

    I'm currently at a QM8 and 2 Fey8s and considering whether to get more QMs and get higher ranks of them, go after DMs, or keep this current odd spread I have.

    Do you have your weapons complete yet? How about your artifacts? :p The Quartermaster is a good enchantment if you can meet the requirements, aka the 10% if not you can work with lower, but you'll want to make sure they grant you rank 6's rewards, still anymore below that % wouldn't be worth since if you were at a % that granted you Rank 5's you'd be better off with a Fey Blessing or Dragon Hoard. ^•^
  • thrill#1417 thrill Member Posts: 163 Arc User
    I use one Rank 8 but mainly just for the Guildmarks.

    I am curious to know if anyone has done the breakeven math on the 2x Rank 12 and 1x Rank 11 combo? Most of my enchants are still rank 9. Leveling up three QM to rank 11 plus would take a lot of refining resources that could be better spent on my enchants that actually improve my character. How many Rank 6's do you need to get to break even on the cost?
  • ltsmithnekoltsmithneko Member Posts: 1,578 Arc User
    It's more of a end game enchantment, if your still working on other things don't hurt yourself just to get QM % You could cover the % easy with the makos ring and R9's, to my knowledge.
  • asterotgasterotg Member Posts: 1,742 Arc User
    Befriend someone with 3 R12 quartermaster enchants.

    On 2x enchants WE, ask him nicely, if he would borrow them to you. Slap them on your char and open the bags.

    I am very popular on 2x enchant WE and, since I run QM enchants, I never had to buy enchants to upgrade my enchants, due to the stacks of R6s/7s I get, when I open the bags on my chars, while 2x enchant WE is up.
    Chars: CW, DC, GF, GWF, HR and TR.
  • xenocide#6119 xenocide Member Posts: 251 Arc User
    I bought 5 rank 7 quartermaster's enchantments and used the bags to upgrade them all to 8 it went fairly quickly. And its cheaper to upgrade them to rank 9 than it is to buy them.
    My plan is after i can raise them to rank 9 to use the bags to refine the rest of my enchantments to 12, you also get refining stones as well so they arn't solely for upgrading enchantments :)
  • vincentr6669vincentr6669 Member Posts: 235 Arc User
    I read somewhere that 11% is better than 10% because you don't get rank 5 in this case, you get only ranks 6 and 7. Is it true?

    If it is, then is there any percentage that only gives rank 7? Something like 21% (6 utility slots because of Makos Ring, all of them slotted with Quartermaster Rank 12) peraphs?
  • adinosiiadinosii Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 4,294 Arc User

    I read somewhere that 11% is better than 10% because you don't get rank 5 in this case, you get only ranks 6 and 7. Is it true?

    Yes. This has been tested. 11% is what you need, and going beyond that does not seem to give you any extra benefit.

    Personally I usually run around with 2 R12 Quartermaster's, 2 R12 Dragon Hoards and one Fey Blessing - then on 2xEnchant days I swap two of the others out for 2 other Quartermaster's and open all the bags I have accumulated since the previous 2x event.
    Hoping for improvements...
  • urabaskurabask Member Posts: 2,923 Arc User
    edited June 2017
    adinosii said:

    I read somewhere that 11% is better than 10% because you don't get rank 5 in this case, you get only ranks 6 and 7. Is it true?

    Yes. This has been tested. 11% is what you need, and going beyond that does not seem to give you any extra benefit.

    Personally I usually run around with 2 R12 Quartermaster's, 2 R12 Dragon Hoards and one Fey Blessing - then on 2xEnchant days I swap two of the others out for 2 other Quartermaster's and open all the bags I have accumulated since the previous 2x event.
    You only need 10.5% to guarantee R6s. That works out to four r9s and one r10.
    I8r4ux9.jpg
  • araxelvenaraxelven Member Posts: 72 Arc User
    > @urabask said:
    > I read somewhere that 11% is better than 10% because you don't get rank 5 in this case, you get only ranks 6 and 7. Is it true?
    >
    > Yes. This has been tested. 11% is what you need, and going beyond that does not seem to give you any extra benefit.
    >
    > Personally I usually run around with 2 R12 Quartermaster's, 2 R12 Dragon Hoards and one Fey Blessing - then on 2xEnchant days I swap two of the others out for 2 other Quartermaster's and open all the bags I have accumulated since the previous 2x event.
    >
    > You only need 10.5% to guarantee R6s. That works out to four r9s and one r10.

    This is simply NOT true. I've written a guide on QMs over on reddit and opened 1000s of bags to test the RNG.

    You need 11% to get only R6s. No doubt whatsoever. And using Makos ring you need 2xR8 and 4xR9.
  • urabaskurabask Member Posts: 2,923 Arc User
    edited June 2017
    araxelven said:

    > @urabask said:

    > I read somewhere that 11% is better than 10% because you don't get rank 5 in this case, you get only ranks 6 and 7. Is it true?

    >

    > Yes. This has been tested. 11% is what you need, and going beyond that does not seem to give you any extra benefit.

    >

    > Personally I usually run around with 2 R12 Quartermaster's, 2 R12 Dragon Hoards and one Fey Blessing - then on 2xEnchant days I swap two of the others out for 2 other Quartermaster's and open all the bags I have accumulated since the previous 2x event.

    >

    > You only need 10.5% to guarantee R6s. That works out to four r9s and one r10.



    This is simply NOT true. I've written a guide on QMs over on reddit and opened 1000s of bags to test the RNG.



    You need 11% to get only R6s. No doubt whatsoever. And using Makos ring you need 2xR8 and 4xR9.

    I've been running QM enchants since before Mako's Signet was available. You can get away with that but you are wrong about it being 11%. I've also opened 1000s of bags on live so again, you're wrong. So I guess technically the cheapest way to do it would be with 4 R9 1 R8 and 1 R7.
    I8r4ux9.jpg
  • ltsmithnekoltsmithneko Member Posts: 1,578 Arc User
    urabask said:

    araxelven said:

    > @urabask said:

    > I read somewhere that 11% is better than 10% because you don't get rank 5 in this case, you get only ranks 6 and 7. Is it true?

    >

    > Yes. This has been tested. 11% is what you need, and going beyond that does not seem to give you any extra benefit.

    >

    > Personally I usually run around with 2 R12 Quartermaster's, 2 R12 Dragon Hoards and one Fey Blessing - then on 2xEnchant days I swap two of the others out for 2 other Quartermaster's and open all the bags I have accumulated since the previous 2x event.

    >

    > You only need 10.5% to guarantee R6s. That works out to four r9s and one r10.



    This is simply NOT true. I've written a guide on QMs over on reddit and opened 1000s of bags to test the RNG.



    You need 11% to get only R6s. No doubt whatsoever. And using Makos ring you need 2xR8 and 4xR9.

    I've been running QM enchants since before Mako's Signet was available. You can get away with that but you are wrong about it being 11%. I've also opened 1000s of bags on live so again, you're wrong. So I guess technically the cheapest way to do it would be with 4 R9 1 R8 and 1 R7.
    Aye, he is correct you only need 10.5%. Normally I run around with 3x R12's , and thats what I did in the video to my knowledge (its been abit...) Atm I use one and yank two of em from my friend during 2x now. :3
  • vincentr6669vincentr6669 Member Posts: 235 Arc User
    Thanks all of you for the answers. Eventually i'll test myself 3xRank 10 + 1xRank 11 to see if 10,5% only gets Rank 6+

    If the answer is yes then i'll go with 3xRank 12

    If the answer is no then i'll go with 2x11 and 2x10 for 11%
  • neidanman#1423 neidanman Member Posts: 82 Arc User
    On the 'is it 10.5 or 11%?' question - the answer is: it depends on which combination of stones you use. With the right combo you only need 10.5%, e.g. 4x rank 9 and 1x rank 10 -
    https://www.reddit.com/r/Neverwinter/comments/6dar11/whats_the_reason_to_diversify_the_types_of_rp/di2c33z/ .
    If you have 11% total then you will always get r/6/7 no matter which combo you use.

    On the question 'is there any percentage that only gives rank 7?' - no. Once you hit 11% you are at the max in terms of quality of rewards you can pull - this was tested using 6xr12's- https://www.reddit.com/r/Neverwinter/comments/66q8z7/psa_quartermaster_enchants_are_awesome_heres_why/
  • araxelvenaraxelven Member Posts: 72 Arc User
    edited June 2017
    urabask said:

    araxelven said:

    > @urabask said:

    > I read somewhere that 11% is better than 10% because you don't get rank 5 in this case, you get only ranks 6 and 7. Is it true?

    >

    > Yes. This has been tested. 11% is what you need, and going beyond that does not seem to give you any extra benefit.

    >

    > Personally I usually run around with 2 R12 Quartermaster's, 2 R12 Dragon Hoards and one Fey Blessing - then on 2xEnchant days I swap two of the others out for 2 other Quartermaster's and open all the bags I have accumulated since the previous 2x event.

    >

    > You only need 10.5% to guarantee R6s. That works out to four r9s and one r10.



    This is simply NOT true. I've written a guide on QMs over on reddit and opened 1000s of bags to test the RNG.



    You need 11% to get only R6s. No doubt whatsoever. And using Makos ring you need 2xR8 and 4xR9.

    I've been running QM enchants since before Mako's Signet was available. You can get away with that but you are wrong about it being 11%. I've also opened 1000s of bags on live so again, you're wrong. So I guess technically the cheapest way to do it would be with 4 R9 1 R8 and 1 R7.
    Ok here's thing: I re-tested again and we were both right and both wrong.

    I tested the following combinations:

    3xR12 (10,5% total): Works
    2xR12 + 1xR9 + 1xR8 (10,5% total): Works
    3xR9 + 3xR8 (10,5% total): Does NOT work
    4xR9 + 2xR8 (11,0% total): Works
    1xR10 + 4xR9 (10.5% total): Works
    1xR10 + 1xR9 + 4xR8 (10.5% total): Does NOT work.
    1xR11 + 3xR10 (10.5% total): Works

    So as the post above me said, it does depend on the combination, which is pretty illogical but it is what it is. I stand by my original assertion that the 3xR9 + 3xR8 combo is the cheapest effective way to open QM Bags but I will be updating my reddit guide with the correct info.
    Post edited by araxelven on
  • urabaskurabask Member Posts: 2,923 Arc User
    edited June 2017
    araxelven said:

    urabask said:

    araxelven said:

    > @urabask said:

    > I read somewhere that 11% is better than 10% because you don't get rank 5 in this case, you get only ranks 6 and 7. Is it true?

    >

    > Yes. This has been tested. 11% is what you need, and going beyond that does not seem to give you any extra benefit.

    >

    > Personally I usually run around with 2 R12 Quartermaster's, 2 R12 Dragon Hoards and one Fey Blessing - then on 2xEnchant days I swap two of the others out for 2 other Quartermaster's and open all the bags I have accumulated since the previous 2x event.

    >

    > You only need 10.5% to guarantee R6s. That works out to four r9s and one r10.



    This is simply NOT true. I've written a guide on QMs over on reddit and opened 1000s of bags to test the RNG.



    You need 11% to get only R6s. No doubt whatsoever. And using Makos ring you need 2xR8 and 4xR9.

    I've been running QM enchants since before Mako's Signet was available. You can get away with that but you are wrong about it being 11%. I've also opened 1000s of bags on live so again, you're wrong. So I guess technically the cheapest way to do it would be with 4 R9 1 R8 and 1 R7.
    Ok here's thing: I re-tested again and we were both right and both wrong.

    I tested the following combinations:

    3xR12 (10,5% total): Works
    2xR12 + 1xR9 + 1xR8 (10,5% total): Works
    3xR9 + 3xR8 (10,5% total): Does NOT work
    4xR9 + 2xR8 (11,0% total): Works

    So as the post above me said, it does depend on the combination, which is pretty illogical but it is what it is. I stand by my original assertion that the 3xR9 + 3xR8 combo is the cheapest effective way to open QM Bags but I will be updating my reddit guide with the correct info.
    So confused here.
    I8r4ux9.jpg
  • kalina311kalina311 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 2,082 Arc User
    the rank 8s probably have some % chance that is being slightly rounded down (or not adding right ) that what i see from these results
  • araxelvenaraxelven Member Posts: 72 Arc User
    urabask said:

    araxelven said:

    urabask said:

    araxelven said:

    > @urabask said:

    > I read somewhere that 11% is better than 10% because you don't get rank 5 in this case, you get only ranks 6 and 7. Is it true?

    >

    > Yes. This has been tested. 11% is what you need, and going beyond that does not seem to give you any extra benefit.

    >

    > Personally I usually run around with 2 R12 Quartermaster's, 2 R12 Dragon Hoards and one Fey Blessing - then on 2xEnchant days I swap two of the others out for 2 other Quartermaster's and open all the bags I have accumulated since the previous 2x event.

    >

    > You only need 10.5% to guarantee R6s. That works out to four r9s and one r10.



    This is simply NOT true. I've written a guide on QMs over on reddit and opened 1000s of bags to test the RNG.



    You need 11% to get only R6s. No doubt whatsoever. And using Makos ring you need 2xR8 and 4xR9.

    I've been running QM enchants since before Mako's Signet was available. You can get away with that but you are wrong about it being 11%. I've also opened 1000s of bags on live so again, you're wrong. So I guess technically the cheapest way to do it would be with 4 R9 1 R8 and 1 R7.
    Ok here's thing: I re-tested again and we were both right and both wrong.

    I tested the following combinations:

    3xR12 (10,5% total): Works
    2xR12 + 1xR9 + 1xR8 (10,5% total): Works
    3xR9 + 3xR8 (10,5% total): Does NOT work
    4xR9 + 2xR8 (11,0% total): Works

    So as the post above me said, it does depend on the combination, which is pretty illogical but it is what it is. I stand by my original assertion that the 3xR9 + 3xR8 combo is the cheapest effective way to open QM Bags but I will be updating my reddit guide with the correct info.
    So confused here.
    I finally figured it out.

    10.5% works ONLY with 5 utility slots. You can not use the 6th slot to reach exactly 10.5%. You can use it to reach 10.75% or above and only then it will work. In other words, if you have Makos's ring aim for 11% (using six enchants) and if you don't aim for 10.5% (using five enchants).
  • ltsmithnekoltsmithneko Member Posts: 1,578 Arc User
    araxelven said:

    urabask said:

    araxelven said:

    urabask said:

    araxelven said:

    > @urabask said:

    > I read somewhere that 11% is better than 10% because you don't get rank 5 in this case, you get only ranks 6 and 7. Is it true?

    >

    > Yes. This has been tested. 11% is what you need, and going beyond that does not seem to give you any extra benefit.

    >

    > Personally I usually run around with 2 R12 Quartermaster's, 2 R12 Dragon Hoards and one Fey Blessing - then on 2xEnchant days I swap two of the others out for 2 other Quartermaster's and open all the bags I have accumulated since the previous 2x event.

    >

    > You only need 10.5% to guarantee R6s. That works out to four r9s and one r10.



    This is simply NOT true. I've written a guide on QMs over on reddit and opened 1000s of bags to test the RNG.



    You need 11% to get only R6s. No doubt whatsoever. And using Makos ring you need 2xR8 and 4xR9.

    I've been running QM enchants since before Mako's Signet was available. You can get away with that but you are wrong about it being 11%. I've also opened 1000s of bags on live so again, you're wrong. So I guess technically the cheapest way to do it would be with 4 R9 1 R8 and 1 R7.
    Ok here's thing: I re-tested again and we were both right and both wrong.

    I tested the following combinations:

    3xR12 (10,5% total): Works
    2xR12 + 1xR9 + 1xR8 (10,5% total): Works
    3xR9 + 3xR8 (10,5% total): Does NOT work
    4xR9 + 2xR8 (11,0% total): Works

    So as the post above me said, it does depend on the combination, which is pretty illogical but it is what it is. I stand by my original assertion that the 3xR9 + 3xR8 combo is the cheapest effective way to open QM Bags but I will be updating my reddit guide with the correct info.
    So confused here.
    I finally figured it out.

    10.5% works ONLY with 5 utility slots. You can not use the 6th slot to reach exactly 10.5%. You can use it to reach 10.75% or above and only then it will work. In other words, if you have Makos's ring aim for 11% (using six enchants) and if you don't aim for 10.5% (using five enchants).
    Hehe... something in the code then, either a tiny nerf with the use of a makos ring (ya can test that by having the ring equipped and don't use one of your normal utility's), Or there's just a reduced % on 6th utility. :3 Either way I'd refrain from using it anyway, useless were talking about glory/experience/gold. c:

    Btw added a little note at the bottom of the Post.
  • vincentr6669vincentr6669 Member Posts: 235 Arc User
    araxelven said:

    urabask said:

    araxelven said:

    urabask said:

    araxelven said:

    > @urabask said:

    > I read somewhere that 11% is better than 10% because you don't get rank 5 in this case, you get only ranks 6 and 7. Is it true?

    >

    > Yes. This has been tested. 11% is what you need, and going beyond that does not seem to give you any extra benefit.

    >

    > Personally I usually run around with 2 R12 Quartermaster's, 2 R12 Dragon Hoards and one Fey Blessing - then on 2xEnchant days I swap two of the others out for 2 other Quartermaster's and open all the bags I have accumulated since the previous 2x event.

    >

    > You only need 10.5% to guarantee R6s. That works out to four r9s and one r10.



    This is simply NOT true. I've written a guide on QMs over on reddit and opened 1000s of bags to test the RNG.



    You need 11% to get only R6s. No doubt whatsoever. And using Makos ring you need 2xR8 and 4xR9.

    I've been running QM enchants since before Mako's Signet was available. You can get away with that but you are wrong about it being 11%. I've also opened 1000s of bags on live so again, you're wrong. So I guess technically the cheapest way to do it would be with 4 R9 1 R8 and 1 R7.
    Ok here's thing: I re-tested again and we were both right and both wrong.

    I tested the following combinations:

    3xR12 (10,5% total): Works
    2xR12 + 1xR9 + 1xR8 (10,5% total): Works
    3xR9 + 3xR8 (10,5% total): Does NOT work
    4xR9 + 2xR8 (11,0% total): Works

    So as the post above me said, it does depend on the combination, which is pretty illogical but it is what it is. I stand by my original assertion that the 3xR9 + 3xR8 combo is the cheapest effective way to open QM Bags but I will be updating my reddit guide with the correct info.
    So confused here.
    I finally figured it out.

    10.5% works ONLY with 5 utility slots. You can not use the 6th slot to reach exactly 10.5%. You can use it to reach 10.75% or above and only then it will work. In other words, if you have Makos's ring aim for 11% (using six enchants) and if you don't aim for 10.5% (using five enchants).
    So 3x12 or 1x11+3x10 does NOT work when you have Makos Ring equipped? That's it? Too bad, i wanted 3x12 because i would use the other 3 utility slots (Makos included) for Dragon's Hoard or Fey Blessing, but now looks like i have only 2 slots left.
  • araxelvenaraxelven Member Posts: 72 Arc User
    > @vincentr6669 said:
    > > @urabask said:
    >
    > > I read somewhere that 11% is better than 10% because you don't get rank 5 in this case, you get only ranks 6 and 7. Is it true?
    >
    > >
    >
    > > Yes. This has been tested. 11% is what you need, and going beyond that does not seem to give you any extra benefit.
    >
    > >
    >
    > > Personally I usually run around with 2 R12 Quartermaster's, 2 R12 Dragon Hoards and one Fey Blessing - then on 2xEnchant days I swap two of the others out for 2 other Quartermaster's and open all the bags I have accumulated since the previous 2x event.
    >
    > >
    >
    > > You only need 10.5% to guarantee R6s. That works out to four r9s and one r10.
    >
    >
    >
    > This is simply NOT true. I've written a guide on QMs over on reddit and opened 1000s of bags to test the RNG.
    >
    >
    >
    > You need 11% to get only R6s. No doubt whatsoever. And using Makos ring you need 2xR8 and 4xR9.
    >
    > I've been running QM enchants since before Mako's Signet was available. You can get away with that but you are wrong about it being 11%. I've also opened 1000s of bags on live so again, you're wrong. So I guess technically the cheapest way to do it would be with 4 R9 1 R8 and 1 R7.
    >
    > Ok here's thing: I re-tested again and we were both right and both wrong.
    >
    > I tested the following combinations:
    >
    > 3xR12 (10,5% total): Works
    > 2xR12 + 1xR9 + 1xR8 (10,5% total): Works
    > 3xR9 + 3xR8 (10,5% total): Does NOT work
    > 4xR9 + 2xR8 (11,0% total): Works
    >
    > So as the post above me said, it does depend on the combination, which is pretty illogical but it is what it is. I stand by my original assertion that the 3xR9 + 3xR8 combo is the cheapest effective way to open QM Bags but I will be updating my reddit guide with the correct info.
    >
    > So confused here.
    >
    >
    > I finally figured it out.
    >
    > 10.5% works ONLY with 5 utility slots. You can not use the 6th slot to reach exactly 10.5%. You can use it to reach 10.75% or above and only then it will work. In other words, if you have Makos's ring aim for 11% (using six enchants) and if you don't aim for 10.5% (using five enchants).
    >
    > So 3x12 or 1x11+3x10 does NOT work when you have Makos Ring equipped? That's it? Too bad, i wanted 3x12 because i would use the other 3 utility slots (Makos included) for Dragon's Hoard or Fey Blessing, but now looks like i have only 2 slots left.

    That's not true. Perhaps I should have written "five utility slots or less". 3xR12 or any other combination using five stones or less will work at 10.5%. It's just that it's a much more expensive setup than 4xR9 plus 2xR8.
  • araxelvenaraxelven Member Posts: 72 Arc User
    edited June 2017

    araxelven said:

    urabask said:

    araxelven said:

    urabask said:

    araxelven said:

    > @urabask said:

    > I read somewhere that 11% is better than 10% because you don't get rank 5 in this case, you get only ranks 6 and 7. Is it true?

    >

    > Yes. This has been tested. 11% is what you need, and going beyond that does not seem to give you any extra benefit.

    >

    > Personally I usually run around with 2 R12 Quartermaster's, 2 R12 Dragon Hoards and one Fey Blessing - then on 2xEnchant days I swap two of the others out for 2 other Quartermaster's and open all the bags I have accumulated since the previous 2x event.

    >

    > You only need 10.5% to guarantee R6s. That works out to four r9s and one r10.



    This is simply NOT true. I've written a guide on QMs over on reddit and opened 1000s of bags to test the RNG.



    You need 11% to get only R6s. No doubt whatsoever. And using Makos ring you need 2xR8 and 4xR9.

    I've been running QM enchants since before Mako's Signet was available. You can get away with that but you are wrong about it being 11%. I've also opened 1000s of bags on live so again, you're wrong. So I guess technically the cheapest way to do it would be with 4 R9 1 R8 and 1 R7.
    Ok here's thing: I re-tested again and we were both right and both wrong.

    I tested the following combinations:

    3xR12 (10,5% total): Works
    2xR12 + 1xR9 + 1xR8 (10,5% total): Works
    3xR9 + 3xR8 (10,5% total): Does NOT work
    4xR9 + 2xR8 (11,0% total): Works

    So as the post above me said, it does depend on the combination, which is pretty illogical but it is what it is. I stand by my original assertion that the 3xR9 + 3xR8 combo is the cheapest effective way to open QM Bags but I will be updating my reddit guide with the correct info.
    So confused here.
    I finally figured it out.

    10.5% works ONLY with 5 utility slots. You can not use the 6th slot to reach exactly 10.5%. You can use it to reach 10.75% or above and only then it will work. In other words, if you have Makos's ring aim for 11% (using six enchants) and if you don't aim for 10.5% (using five enchants).
    Hehe... something in the code then, either a tiny nerf with the use of a makos ring (ya can test that by having the ring equipped and don't use one of your normal utility's), Or there's just a reduced % on 6th utility. :3 Either way I'd refrain from using it anyway, useless were talking about glory/experience/gold. c:

    Btw added a little note at the bottom of the Post.
    I tested this and it works the same, even if I use the ring while leaving another slot empty. So it's not the ring itself but the 6th runestone that's doing weird things with the formula.
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