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[PC] GF stuns

neverwinterdevilneverwinterdevil Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 74 Arc User
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GF stuns are utterly ridiculous and now that i have tested t.elven against them i can strongly say they're not making any difference so you need to either nerf the gf's or come up with with another enchant that can reduce the stun/immobilize duration. it's impossible to do anything against a gf built like that!!!
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  • demonmongerdemonmonger Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 3,350 Arc User
    Just keep the gf ccd
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  • nezdin#5514 nezdin
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    edited November 2016
    It is not the GF stuns in themselves that are problematic, but rather the combination of all that makes a "god" in pvp; no other class currently has the combination of capabilities that the GF has. Very strong CC, CC-immunity for free (his/her shield), tankiness, high movement speed, and very strong burst DPS. Compare this to the Paladin who also has some CC (granted, not as good), but is vastly inferior in all the other respects.

    Of course, when it comes to PvE, we all like to have a good GF in our team...so not sure what the solution can be.
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  • rustlordrustlord Member Posts: 1,454 Arc User
    etelgrin said:

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    No TR, no matter how friendly, will agree to that. The moment I put CB on a GF in PvP, that's tantamount to gaining 100000000000 threat and he will be after my HAMSTER the whole match.
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  • nezdin#5514 nezdin
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    etelgrin said:

    There are maybe 5 very hard hitting GFs in this game, like those who can one rotate nearly anything they came across. Nobody will nerf Guardian Fighter based on performance and build of 5 people.

    Try playing a 2800 level CW against a GF of the same of even slightly lower level. Then you will understand that it is not 5 people. An oppressor is not the controller in that fight anymore, I can guarantee you that. Also the escape you speak of does not exist for a CW; 3-4 dodges is what you get and you're dead. I am assuming that at higher levels the balance CW/GF does not shift that much either (maybe some higher level CW on this forum has a different experience?).
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  • kvetkvet Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 2,700 Arc User
    A patient and skillful CW with a good build can handle a GF of equal gearing unless the GF is using elven battle, then it's usually over before it begins...

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  • nezdin#5514 nezdin
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    edited November 2016
    "of equal gearing" at 2800? I highly doubt that. If you mean "of equal gearing at close-to-BiS, with mythics, full deflect, Trans EB or Trans Negation and LOTS of self-healing" then maybe.

    Maybe you have something like this in mind: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3bZrGGD6PM

    But remember that "non-BiS" is a status that can last for a very long time, years.

    ITF with shield up to narrow the gap and be immune to control, bullcharge to close the gap from a big distance and prone CW followed by of a power that I know not the name of (foe is stunned and double swords smash onto him), and this power strikes twice for great damage. If this hasn't finished CW off, then a second rotation of something similar will. This is one very common rotation I have seen, and is very effective. Bullcharge is also an interrupt, so in that split second you realise that GF has his shield down and you want to cast EF or repel, you are charged and your spell is interrupted. Oppressor = useless, whether the GF has EB or not.
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  • classicque2classicque2 Member Posts: 37 Arc User
    edited November 2016
    nezdin#5514 said:

    "of equal gearing" at 2800? I highly doubt that. If you mean "of equal gearing at close-to-BiS, with mythics, full deflect, Trans EB or Trans Negation and LOTS of self-healing" then maybe.

    Maybe you have something like this in mind: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3bZrGGD6PM

    But remember that "non-BiS" is a status that can last for a very long time, years.

    ITF with shield up to narrow the gap and be immune to control, bullcharge to close the gap from a big distance and prone CW followed by of a power that I know not the name of (foe is stunned and double swords smash onto him), and this power strikes twice for great damage. If this hasn't finished CW off, then a second rotation of something similar will. This is one very common rotation I have seen, and is very effective. Bullcharge is also an interrupt, so in that split second you realise that GF has his shield down and you want to cast EF or repel, you are charged and your spell is interrupted. Oppressor = useless, whether the GF has EB or not.

    Old video before nerf, and how u can something say if u dont know power name or then a second rotation of something similar will second rotation of something similar will do?! Rly? So far all what u said here is

    Any class can more or less control. Cw's repel and ice strorm ignore all control resist as well, elven battle absoltley not work on tr's smoke bomb and cb with elven leasts long as HAMSTER. GWF have SA and crescendo, IS if Iron Vanguard.
  • nezdin#5514 nezdin
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    edited November 2016
    1) You can name a power X or Y or anything else you choose (as in elementary algebra), that does not change the power's effect and consequences.
    2) "Old video before nerf": was inserted to provide the benefit of the doubt that indeed a high level CW can in fact provide a challenge to a high level GF; and you next say that this was before the nerf (to the GF I assume). If the GF is currently nerfed compared to the one in this video, then a current GF is less capable vs a CW in the current mod. So basically, you are providing support for the reason the video was inserted in the first place.
    3) There is no need to claim (edit): "bull$hit" or any other words aimed to degrade the quality of a given argument, especially when many other threads and posts point out similar issues. If you want to add something, then why not be constructive (and respectful) - I assure you the latter will cost you nothing.
    4) As far as "any class can control" I will refer you to the fact that yes, I agree many classes (I do not know if "any" is accurate) can control, but certainly not all have access to both free control immunity, tankiness, lots of control, and very high burst damage, at the same time. Do CWs have all that? Do TRs? You seem to know your GWFs: do the also have all the above? And do not forget we are talking about sub-3000 pugs here - no transcendent EBs/Negations here I can assure you...
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  • emilemoemilemo Member Posts: 1,718 Arc User
    clonkyo1 said:

    neverwinterdevil said:

    GF stuns are utterly ridiculous and now that i have tested t.elven against them i can strongly say they're not making any difference so you need to either nerf the gf's or come up with with another enchant that can reduce the stun/immobilize duration. it's impossible to do anything against a gf built like that!!!

    Nowadays, griffon's wrath, flourish (with the SM conq feat, ofc) and Bull charge are just "free"... but hey!!! don't complain, don't be that you just want to pursue your own agenda to make your own class the new FotM one.... yet i still remember when players complained about "Take down".
    Oh yes, Takedown! Ha, so many unskilled wizards have fallen to my GWF's Takedown>IBS. Neverwinter was good back then. Now the game sucks and my GWF is retired.
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  • forumnamesuxsforumnamesuxs Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 490 Arc User
    emilemo said:

    clonkyo1 said:

    neverwinterdevil said:

    GF stuns are utterly ridiculous and now that i have tested t.elven against them i can strongly say they're not making any difference so you need to either nerf the gf's or come up with with another enchant that can reduce the stun/immobilize duration. it's impossible to do anything against a gf built like that!!!

    Nowadays, griffon's wrath, flourish (with the SM conq feat, ofc) and Bull charge are just "free"... but hey!!! don't complain, don't be that you just want to pursue your own agenda to make your own class the new FotM one.... yet i still remember when players complained about "Take down".
    Oh yes, Takedown! Ha, so many unskilled wizards have fallen to my GWF's Takedown>IBS. Neverwinter was good back then. Now the game sucks and my GWF is retired.
    Out of my four pvp characters, my gwf is probably the most fun one to play with. Your retirement descition makes me sad.
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  • icyphishicyphish Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,255 Arc User
    +1 I have played most classes except OP and GWF although not being the strongest but is definately most fun to play with :D
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  • schietindebuxschietindebux Member Posts: 4,292 Arc User
    edited November 2016
    So Mark, wheel, Bullcharge, Griffins Wrath, crescendo , Flourish?
    Where is ITF gone? (Only in case I ever will take a try with my GF in PVP).
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  • schietindebuxschietindebux Member Posts: 4,292 Arc User
    edited November 2016
    I would never think about playing PVP on a min-maxed level and I think this might be the wrong game to do so. Following the last years and the consequences those builds and teams do have on a small plattform without balancing and matchmaking, I think NWO should be more casual PVP as a short relief from a neverending grind :)
    No time and too stingy to spend that much Zen, AD or money on those builds.
    I get some gear from tarmalune bars, and my GF conquerer tank setup will do.
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  • schietindebuxschietindebux Member Posts: 4,292 Arc User
    edited November 2016
    btw this also is a CW in mod 9 facing a GF :) start at 3:15 or just head for 8:40 and sure that hunter is a big help

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmbLEPRoB1I
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  • wdj40wdj40 Member Posts: 1,958 Arc User
    rustlord said:

    etelgrin said:

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    No TR, no matter how friendly, will agree to that. The moment I put CB on a GF in PvP, that's tantamount to gaining 100000000000 threat and he will be after my HAMSTER the whole match.
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  • neverwinterdevilneverwinterdevil Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 74 Arc User
    well an update to my first post would that i have used a respec and now it's a bit better. i mean, even as a 4k sw with t.shadow and 5.8k deflection + 4.6k deff, when idle, i still have no chance against the gf's who stun and prone. i mean all they do is use the combo to mess me up to 30% hp then put the shield up and wait for encounters to recharge and then finish the job... and i can tell you for sure that there aren't only about 5 of them going about but more like 20-25 who use this standard build and we can't do nothing... it's as worse as the hr pvp build who doesn't even take 1% dmg if i manage to get in a 3 shots combo because of the high deflection stacks... the whole point of pvp is to be able to at least make some significant dmg to your opponent but right now that doesn't happen with the players who look bury pvp so then there's no point in playing anymore either.

    then we have all of these experts telling us to use t.elven. sure it reduces the stun duration but what good does it do if you lose deflection and deff stacks from a t.shadow or a t.negation, at least with them you can survive a bit more.

    @etelgrin - i play hb with some of Pavlos's build.
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