Time to respec my HR.. would love to get some help, a bit confused..

wdj40

lirithiel said:

wdj40 said:

lirithiel said:

Console players don't have a clue because they have no access to ACT. I will say this: Thorned Roots was doing between 30-40% of a Trapper's damage in dungeons prior to Mod 10. Hmmm, too much damage from one source? Nah sounds about right... Doing 200 million damage in a dungeon is effortless as quoted by someone above me.

A Trapper.... A Trapper!!!

I am sorry but your posts are becoming more and more ignorable and completely irrelevant.

I did not realise you were one of those people that just jumps on the bandwagon and starts spamming forums with their rubbish.

So where are YOUR ACT logs? Where are all the logs showing YOU did 40% extra damage as a Trapper. I don't want to hear that you saw the logs of 1,2 or even maybe 3 people. Then I want to see data that you have collected to show that this is a NORMAL COMMON occurrence amongst Trappers in the game on PC, X1 and now PS4.

You do not speak for the 10's of thousands of Hunter Ranger Trappers, most of whom have no idea about these forums or what goes on around here. You do not know how much damage Thorned Roots does to all those players or even if a large or small % of those get these big numbers you speak of.

All you have done is read a few posts and now all I see is you trying to ram you heavily opinionated views down other peoples throats and basically flaming.

Why do I need to test when the data presented to me by the best HR the game ever had will suffice? In actual fact there were two pages of ACT logs presented on the preview forum to show how things stood for all 3 trees in Mod 9 and then Mod 10 preview server. But yes, let me run my own tests just to come to the same conclusion. I present facts and all you do is insult. Everyone on PC side knew Trapper was over-performing in Mod 9 but it was the console crowd who threw a hissy-fit at the Mod 10 changes. So whatever, I'm done with you.

So 1 persons test?

You have gone by 1 persons test, you do realise a supposedly 12 million people play this game? Even if there were 2 pages of logs of people (so more than 1 person), that is not a big sample size in the slightest really. I am sorry if you take offence but you are not presenting facts you are just saying numbers from somewhere in the past.

Ok fair enough, be done with me that is cool, laters.

auntjimima

FBI = Fang Breaker Island

jhpnw

!st Wd chill! New mods got you on edge about what's going to happen to trapper and there is no need its same as before only better DPS. Second Sandstorm is a number crunching play testing Machine her numbers are always correct but I do not always agree with her opinion or conclusions. WE ARE BACK TO potato or patato. Both are still French fries. Trapper can produce 30 to 40% of dps from roots this is not broken trapper can also change a little and produce 60 to 80% dps from Sezmic STS ROA and COrdon . What Sandstorms point was it would be hard to balance other trees and not make roots even more powerful. swiftness was considered a bug due to it was not as tool tip described so it was changed but the other changes to cool downs balanced out the loss. Over all the heavy hitting encounters had cooldowns reduced and damage increased . So In the end other ways were found to fix combat and Archer with out increasing damage of thorned roots and every class now has a way to produce big dps numbers with out roots. In PVP combat has become the Damage dealer and Trapper has become the Controller as was originally intended. So that was fixed . Now Back to PVE combat is a damage dealer in range and melee but specialized in dealing damage in close in fighting against single targets great for boss fights.. Trapper damage is dealt by the control or roots side primarily as was intended and is great when tackling multiple targets or mobs and still does well in Boss fights. So every one wins. Whos right or wrong about how dps is done is not important that is just there opinion. lirithiel has made it no secret he plainly just dont like trapper play style for years and we all know that but he also has been very instrumental in helping others get the most out of non trapper and his knowledge of mechanics and items are valuable to the forum. But He is also not flaming Trapper just giving alternatives and his opinion. The issue is Now you can play how you chose and solo or be a wanted addition in any dungeon.

Ara
combat or trapper 4.3IL just depends on what mood im in or How much PVP im playing

wdj40

jhpnw said:

!st Wd chill! New mods got you on edge about what's going to happen to trapper and there is no need its same as before only better DPS. Second Sandstorm is a number crunching play testing Machine her numbers are always correct but I do not always agree with her opinion or conclusions. WE ARE BACK TO potato or patato. Both are still French fries. Trapper can produce 30 to 40% of dps from roots this is not broken trapper can also change a little and produce 60 to 80% dps from Sezmic STS ROA and COrdon . What Sandstorms point was it would be hard to balance other trees and not make roots even more powerful. swiftness was considered a bug due to it was not as tool tip described so it was changed but the other changes to cool downs balanced out the loss. Over all the heavy hitting encounters had cooldowns reduced and damage increased . So In the end other ways were found to fix combat and Archer with out increasing damage of thorned roots and every class now has a way to produce big dps numbers with out roots. In PVP combat has become the Damage dealer and Trapper has become the Controller as was originally intended. So that was fixed . Now Back to PVE combat is a damage dealer in range and melee but specialized in dealing damage in close in fighting against single targets great for boss fights.. Trapper damage is dealt by the control or roots side primarily as was intended and is great when tackling multiple targets or mobs and still does well in Boss fights. So every one wins. Whos right or wrong about how dps is done is not important that is just there opinion. lirithiel has made it no secret he plainly just dont like trapper play style for years and we all know that but he also has been very instrumental in helping others get the most out of non trapper and his knowledge of mechanics and items are valuable to the forum. But He is also not flaming Trapper just giving alternatives and his opinion. The issue is Now you can play how you chose and solo or be a wanted addition in any dungeon.

Ara
combat or trapper 4.3IL just depends on what mood im in or How much PVP im playing

I am chilled, I am always chilled if you knew me in real life. Also the new Mod has not got me on edge so please do not presume to know me. I looked forward to the changes, I tested them last night and I am happy with my Hunter Ranger and I have not even respecced yet.

What got my back up and made me annoyed, was the fact that lirithiel started crapping on that Trapper was Easy Mode (what a joke) and then branded the entire Xbox community as throwing a Hissy Fit.

I am well within my rights to respond to that in a negative way.

Edit... also I will say it again, and again, and again, and again.... YOU BALANCE THE OTHER 2 TREE'S BY CHANGING THOSE DAMN TREE'S... There the other 2 Tree's are made more viable whilst Trapper is untouched... I really do not get why people just cannot comprehend that. Anyway it matters not as it is all done and dusted now.

gabrieldourden

I am a trapper and love the playstyle and heavily defended it during the last balance pass. But to some extent I have to agree with Lirithiel.
I recently tested on preview Trapper and Combat and Trapper is definitely easier to handle. Less risk, far more versatility. If I'm in a difficult situation with a Trapper I can simply drop roots and start moving/dodging around and sooner or later everything will die. Combat requires continuos applications of a very specific melee rotation to be effective so it need much more concentration and it's far more dangerous.
In Sea of Moving Ice I can dance around Giants with a Trapper but with Combat I need far more concentration.

On top of that with a combat I'm pretty much stuck to the damage dealer role, with a trapper I can far more easily carry a lesser geared party with Fox's Cunning and Crushing roots rotated at a high speed

mortoker

Very good point wd! also from the xp reward, I have a million quests left (haven't even finished the Elemental Campaign yet) so between that and killing stuff I guess I'm gonna get few more points. Assuming the game will run smoothly after today's maintenance

wdj40

mortoker said:

Very good point wd! also from the xp reward, I have a million quests left (haven't even finished the Elemental Campaign yet) so between that and killing stuff I guess I'm gonna get few more points. Assuming the game will run smoothly after today's maintenance

Yeah unless you are super rich I would not suggest respeccing just because of a mis-placed power point... I mean a Respec Token is 500 Zen so that is not cheap in the slightest. If you play the game long enough you will end up with more than enough Power Points for what you want and need

durugudesu

Hmmm.. Choosing combat over trapper, if you didnt invest in deflect, and then compare survivability with that and a trapper who has a million encounters at its disposal, well let's just say for me, that seems flawed.

Anyways, i dont get why you all argue about trapper archer and combat. I dont see arguements that grow this big from destroyer instigator, thaum renegade, ac do, soulbinder and hellbringer, executioner and other trees, im sure by now you get my point. To each his own, if given the utilities and you choose to make the best of it(or choose not to and opt to find a better one) is entitled to everyone. Barking at someone who isnt even on the same platform is stupid. So what if some people think trapper is easy mode? If you know that you do and make use of all the things that could help you dish out the most damage, then there is no arguement there that if you both run something against each other, you'd definitely do more just because you use all that is there against someone who views it as easy mode. With that said, you guys will never run together and thus, a pointless rage. shm.

davidagaldo

Oh my, Rain of Swords is OP, Prime it and it will melt.

deterrant

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davidagaldo said:

Oh my, Rain of Swords is OP, Prime it and it will melt.

Yeh, if ya nail the RoS its a great damage dealer, but, it has some bugs, the bleed does not always proc on enemies and the power doesnt hit if the enemies are too close or if 1 enemy is in yer face. optimal distance is about the max range it has, any closer and youll prolly miss the hit with it. This is on PC side.

jhpnw

Wd said Don't forget you can now get Power Points from the Sharandar Campaign as well as a chance at them at EXP roll-overs. I am not 100% sure but I think we may get a free respec too with all the changes coming today.

1st how do you get power points from Sharandar??
2nc Cryptic wont give you free respect right away they always wait a few days to get the money from those who have no patience of course this is just my opinion but rings true so far for every other class balnce

wdj40

jhpnw said:

Wd said Don't forget you can now get Power Points from the Sharandar Campaign as well as a chance at them at EXP roll-overs. I am not 100% sure but I think we may get a free respec too with all the changes coming today.

1st how do you get power points from Sharandar??
2nc Cryptic wont give you free respect right away they always wait a few days to get the money from those who have no patience of course this is just my opinion but rings true so far for every other class balnce

The Sharandar Campaign has Power Points as once of the Tasks, it is called Assist War Effort and it is repeatable.

We got given a respec token with the update... I used mine and now regret it.

killga

> @wdj40 said:
> Wd said Don't forget you can now get Power Points from the Sharandar Campaign as well as a chance at them at EXP roll-overs. I am not 100% sure but I think we may get a free respec too with all the changes coming today.
>
> 1st how do you get power points from Sharandar??
> 2nc Cryptic wont give you free respect right away they always wait a few days to get the money from those who have no patience of course this is just my opinion but rings true so far for every other class balnce
>
> The Sharandar Campaign has Power Points as once of the Tasks, it is called Assist War Effort and it is repeatable.
>
> We got given a respec token with the update... I used mine and now regret it.

What did you do?

wdj40

killga#4155 said:

> @wdj40 said:

> Wd said Don't forget you can now get Power Points from the Sharandar Campaign as well as a chance at them at EXP roll-overs. I am not 100% sure but I think we may get a free respec too with all the changes coming today.

>

> 1st how do you get power points from Sharandar??

> 2nc Cryptic wont give you free respect right away they always wait a few days to get the money from those who have no patience of course this is just my opinion but rings true so far for every other class balnce

>

> The Sharandar Campaign has Power Points as once of the Tasks, it is called Assist War Effort and it is repeatable.

>

> We got given a respec token with the update... I used mine and now regret it.



What did you do?

I respecced to a Hybrid Build, played some PvP and found that all the spam on the internet about Piercing Blades being over powered was not true. I was actually able to hurt a couple of people but in general I was Controlled to death (even with Trans Elven + CC Resist Boons) whilst not being able to control anyone in return, even with Crushing Roots.

I don't know if the PC and X1 are such a world apart but I had my HAMSTER handed to me on several occasions last night, I was put into PUG's where is was 3 of us vs a pre-made 5... I had a game where 2 of my PUG group mates sat at the camp fire and spammed group chat with abuse.

People called me out and harassed me as I was trying to actually fight and do some damage. I was ganged up on by 3-5 players 99% of the time.

All in all I died waaaaaaaay more than I used to, I could not kill anywhere near as many players as I used to and the Matchmaking is still the worst I have ever seen in a game.

I actually got to a point where I just did not bother attacking the enemy, I just jumped off the ledge into 5 players waiting and just jumped about on my mount getting killed.

Nothing has been done to improve PvP on the X1, in fact it actually seems worse than before.

Edit... I am just ranting as it is 1st thing in the morning. I understand that I am in a PvE only Guild with no HP Boon and no PvP Boons what so ever... so that is probably one thing to take into account. That and I am only in Elemental Lionsmane Gear so people are probably better equipped than me.

wdj40

I have respecced again already and made my own Hybrid Build... it goes 15 points into the Combat Tree to take Lucky Blades (which seems to proc with my Trans Shadowclad). So I have gone all the way to the Capstone in the Trapper Tree, then dropped Serpent's Bite and Ancient Roots and Slasher's Speed... then went for Lucky Blades

Seems to be working well.

jhpnw

Wd with out Elven battle high LS and deflect you will be controlled to death and should not consider combat as an option because of cc full trapper plays best in your situation because you at least can get drop on most opponents with cc but you have to have every thing in tree to keep cc up also as trapper your dps against cc immune is also higher and quicker on thorned roots. shame you Xbone players don't have preview to test with I have 100s of hrs on preview so could give you info if needed

wdj40

jhpnw said:

Wd with out Elven battle high LS and deflect you will be controlled to death and should not consider combat as an option because of cc full trapper plays best in your situation because you at least can get drop on most opponents with cc but you have to have every thing in tree to keep cc up also as trapper your dps against cc immune is also higher and quicker on thorned roots. shame you Xbone players don't have preview to test with I have 100s of hrs on preview so could give you info if needed

Trans Elven, 32% Life Steal and 45% Deflect (sometimes I switched in Pathfinders Action so I would have 65-75% Deflect) I had last night... Tried High Defence, High Power, High Arm Pen... Tried lots and did not have a good time of it I am afraid

david

@wdj40, hope I did not bang on you too much...

High power is generally what I was. If I had a GF of GWF to confront, I would add 4k ArP by way of mount.

Lone Wolf and Pathfinders is my norm. I don't see a need for more than 6% LS. Defense is what ever the gear offers.

Trapper Piercing Blade hybrid is great but I am full Combat again. I respec'd five times in 24 hours. Tried everything. Really torn between the Trapper hybrid and full Combat.

wdj40

david#8871 said:

@wdj40, hope I did not bang on you too much...

High power is generally what I was. If I had a GF of GWF to confront, I would add 4k ArP by way of mount.

Lone Wolf and Pathfinders is my norm. I don't see a need for more than 6% LS. Defense is what ever the gear offers.

Trapper Piercing Blade hybrid is great but I am full Combat again. I respec'd five times in 24 hours. Tried everything. Really torn between the Trapper hybrid and full Combat.

In all honesty dude I had no idea I was up against you until you PM'd me after the game. That particular game was the one I mentioned where 2 of my group members were just spamming my group chat with hate, also abusing me for trying to actually play. It was just me and the GWF against your whole team of 5, then you guys spawn camped lol.

Anyhoo one of the players on my team sitting at the camp fire abusing me was a 2.6k HR no less lol. lol at least I tried and I did get 1 kill against your team (but 10 deaths).

Ha ha yeah I have respecced 4 times now... I have run out of AD/Zen in game for now lol and I have settled on a sort of Hybrid I mentioned earlier

Nice to finally bump into in game though dude

Edit... My group mates were actually having a go at me and abusing me as I was fighting against your Guild and a pre-made... I told them to stop whining and just fight, lol got me more abuse

jhpnw

for pvp you should be full Trapper for full cc ability using points in other trees and playing trapper severely gimps your cc also get as many HPs as possible 150k or more or you will find you cant survive and you run with Combat HR or fighter class you cc then they rotate and kill. to get kills and pug groups you would play combat use arti to stun then pg and thorn roots all melees encounter proct furry so split strike is go to. For trapper constrict hindering fox vs TRs. Swap fox for binding or thorn ward vs everything else or drop thorn ward the const hindering to maintain cc

wdj40

jhpnw said:

for pvp you should be full Trapper for full cc ability using points in other trees and playing trapper severely gimps your cc also get as many HPs as possible 150k or more or you will find you cant survive and you run with Combat HR or fighter class you cc then they rotate and kill. to get kills and pug groups you would play combat use arti to stun then pg and thorn roots all melees encounter proct furry so split strike is go to. For trapper constrict hindering fox vs TRs. Swap fox for binding or thorn ward vs everything else or drop thorn ward the const hindering to maintain cc

Yeah, I am really gimped as I can only just get 120k HP... I am a little under that at the moment with my top Equipment

This missing Guild HP Boon means I cannot test PvP properly I fee

Edit... can you use Aimed Shot after a Flurry?? Would that be damaging with 2 extra hits?

ajlir

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gabrieldourden said:

I am a trapper and love the playstyle and heavily defended it during the last balance pass. But to some extent I have to agree with Lirithiel.
I recently tested on preview Trapper and Combat and Trapper is definitely easier to handle. Less risk, far more versatility. If I'm in a difficult situation with a Trapper I can simply drop roots and start moving/dodging around and sooner or later everything will die. Combat requires continuous applications of a very specific melee rotation to be effective so it need much more concentration and it's far more dangerous.
In Sea of Moving Ice I can dance around Giants with a Trapper but with Combat I need far more concentration.

On top of that with a combat I'm pretty much stuck to the damage dealer role, with a trapper I can far more easily carry a lesser geared party with Fox's Cunning and Crushing roots rotated at a high speed

Let me chime this in for a bit about Combat, you are not forced to do melee encounter rotations 100% all the time. My playstyle is landing range encounter DoTs before going in with more DoTs starting with Aimed Strike. Flurry still procs with Aimed Strike DoTs for 2 seconds along with Piercing Blade. That said, Combat has a different form of zone control (thanks to our aggro) than Trapper, which relies on roots/CC (edit: pls correct me if I'm wrong).

And yes, Combat needs to invest in deflect or none at all depending on the playstyle and build.

Currently doing Sharandar campaign. Doing my rotations + Clear the Ground = spin to win.

ajlir

wdj40 said:

jhpnw said:

for pvp you should be full Trapper for full cc ability using points in other trees and playing trapper severely gimps your cc also get as many HPs as possible 150k or more or you will find you cant survive and you run with Combat HR or fighter class you cc then they rotate and kill. to get kills and pug groups you would play combat use arti to stun then pg and thorn roots all melees encounter proct furry so split strike is go to. For trapper constrict hindering fox vs TRs. Swap fox for binding or thorn ward vs everything else or drop thorn ward the const hindering to maintain cc

Yeah, I am really gimped as I can only just get 120k HP... I am a little under that at the moment with my top Equipment

This missing Guild HP Boon means I cannot test PvP properly I fee

Edit... can you use Aimed Shot after a Flurry?? Would that be damaging with 2 extra hits?

Aimed Shot is a ranged encounter. It won't proc. Aimed Strike is where you should look at.

Aimed Strike first for DoT, immediately put a melee encounter in, if you don't attack anything, you see 2 extra hits (3 for Piercing Blade) on DoT proc.

Edit: Someone did hint that you can use Split Strike for more damage out from Flurry (I could be wrong, sry if I do).

lirithiel

ajlir#7970 said:

Currently doing Sharandar campaign. Doing my rotations + Clear the Ground = spin to win.

Indeed! I really hope they don't tone down CtG when (if) they make the next batch of changes. I don't even bother with Rapid Strike anymore and haven't since Mod 10 launched. CtG is all you need + Aimed Strike, which applied every 6 secs still does a fair amount of damage.

ajlir

lirithiel said:

ajlir#7970 said:

Currently doing Sharandar campaign. Doing my rotations + Clear the Ground = spin to win.

Indeed! I really hope they don't tone down CtG when (if) they make the next batch of changes. I don't even bother with Rapid Strike anymore and haven't since Mod 10 launched. CtG is all you need + Aimed Strike, which applied every 6 secs still does a fair amount of damage.

As long as they don't touch Flurry and Piercing Blades, I'm satisfied.

deterrant

ajlir#7970 said:

lirithiel said:

ajlir#7970 said:

Currently doing Sharandar campaign. Doing my rotations + Clear the Ground = spin to win.

Indeed! I really hope they don't tone down CtG when (if) they make the next batch of changes. I don't even bother with Rapid Strike anymore and haven't since Mod 10 launched. CtG is all you need + Aimed Strike, which applied every 6 secs still does a fair amount of damage.

As long as they don't touch Flurry and Piercing Blades, I'm satisfied.

That might change, cos it seems some people are crying a buff to our off-hand weapon damage and getting more people to join in.

IF we are to be buffed on the off-hand side, kiss goodbye to piercing and flurry.

mortoker

Been away from the computer for a few days, I have to say I LOVE this build. I don't think it's too easy and I'm not feeling OP at all. And you need to know how to use it efficiently if you wanna take full advantage of its feats and that is not that easy. for me anyway. I still wanna bang my head to the wall for doing it few days before the update- I should've been patient as I knew there's a big chance we'll get a free token. However, I have the free one now and hoping to get the token from the new npc (forgot the name) so it's all good!

ajlir

deterrant#6687 said:

ajlir#7970 said:

lirithiel said:

ajlir#7970 said:

Currently doing Sharandar campaign. Doing my rotations + Clear the Ground = spin to win.

Indeed! I really hope they don't tone down CtG when (if) they make the next batch of changes. I don't even bother with Rapid Strike anymore and haven't since Mod 10 launched. CtG is all you need + Aimed Strike, which applied every 6 secs still does a fair amount of damage.

As long as they don't touch Flurry and Piercing Blades, I'm satisfied.

That might change, cos it seems some people are crying a buff to our off-hand weapon damage and getting more people to join in.

IF we are to be buffed on the off-hand side, kiss goodbye to piercing and flurry.

It's justified crying. Feats shouldn't be included when balancing weapon damage. Look at GWF Destroyer for example.

Also most of our AP gain comes from Ranged Stance encounters. Only Oak Skin and Stag Heart has acceptable AP gain with Lucky Blades on.

jonkoca

Yea, for pvp it's full combat if you want to kill people and stay alive. Otherwise cc. trapper support. I tried hybrids but, nope. Doesn't work either way, against anyone actually worth fighting anyway. Combat, backed up with lonewolf and pathfinders action, along with insignia/mount heals is near unkillable unless you get seriously ganked, and even then oghmas will buy you enough time to disengage and heal. A bit of a knife-edge sometimes, and you absolutely need the lvl20 HP boon to make it all work.

Been a long time but I seem to remember the bloodcrystal pvp artifact gives you temporary hitpoints..? That might be an emergency work around if you don't have a lion or the HP boon..?

vinceent1

jonkoca said:

Been a long time but I seem to remember the bloodcrystal pvp artifact gives you temporary hitpoints..? That might be an emergency work around if you don't have a lion or the HP boon..?

yes