So when are we going to have the other Warlock changes?

gomok72

I honestly did not think it was possible to make us worse in PvP than what we were in the previous mods, (they never cease to amaze me), Now while the PvE portion of Warlocks with a certain build can currently top dps charts in different dungeons, we are yet again taking a back seat to the role of "Striker" class.

I actually took the time to write out things and put a total 3.5 weeks of information (5 hours a day minimum on preview), testing different builds and abilities that were tweaked. Again, just like my Paladin threads, it touched deaf ears and was put in anyways, just the way Paladins were pushed through with no QC/QA.

When does this end for this class "Correction" GAME?

I mean being one- two shot by almost every class in the game (except CW and GWFs now), is getting a little rediculous (I mean PvP for Warlock is comical "Charlie Chaplin/Benny Hill comical").

I know I am just blowing smoke and hoping that another developer comes along to look at what has been done with classes and the state of PvP, but the complaints are legit this time. It's not a problem of finding a specc to beat classes in the game or get good with your class, it's a matter of "core class abilities being fixed, so we can have a 1% chance of surviving in PvP now.

If not, they should consider, blacking out the Warlock class and putting in the Reaver to take it's place (Just wishing).

So, how many are actually having success at end game PvP (Fighting other "Real" PvPers with this class and surviving?).

I leave you with the current Warlock PvP video!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDi83T4wEf8

gomok72

Forgot to mention, those that are chasing are 3 Rangers and 1 guardian fighter, lol

ghoulz66

That's the lucky guy who manages to slip out of the GG spawn area.

joshrdajoker35

I haven't reached mod 10 yet being on Xbox but honestly this post seems a bit dramatic. I guess when we get it if no changes have been made I'll find out for myself.

mrshabok

joshrdajoker35 said:

I haven't reached mod 10 yet being on Xbox but honestly this post seems a bit dramatic. I guess when we get it if no changes have been made I'll find out for myself.

It's not dramatic. Watch Fernnu's mod 10 pvp video on youtube and you'll see how even good SW's have an extremely hard time being anything other than a fly buzzing in the enemy's face.

fernuu

Well, it's not that SW is bad. It's just some other chars are overperforming (piercing damage etc.). I fought few GWF, CW, TR, GF with similiar item level and it's not that I can't win with them. Changes were done in good direction, too bad they were cut in a half and I just hope we won't have to wait another 2 years to finish them.

joshrdajoker35

I did watch it the day he put it up and he didn't have near as bad of a time as you suggest. I just re-watched it his 3 deaths cam in 2v1 3v1 situations. Gf & tr courage breaking etc, DC gf tr etc.... I assume the other team was geared and 3.8-4.2 IL. Looking at his stats his arm pen is 8700 which is low for pvp unless pop and HB feats increase it quite a bit, but yeah with watching it and not just saying omg he died 3 times this is horrible they were poor situations at best with our "still" lack of dodges and such. Looking to see more Dom vids from @fernuu and @paixnidiaris2

fernuu

joshrdajoker35 said:

I did watch it the day he put it up and he didn't have near as bad of a time as you suggest. I just re-watched it his 3 deaths cam in 2v1 3v1 situations. Gf & tr courage breaking etc, DC gf tr etc.... I assume the other team was geared and 3.8-4.2 IL. Looking at his stats his arm pen is 8700 which is low for pvp unless pop and HB feats increase it quite a bit, but yeah with watching it and not just saying omg he died 3 times this is horrible they were poor situations at best with our "still" lack of dodges and such. Looking to see more Dom vids from @fernuu and @paixnidiaris2

I will definitely play/upload more PvP after tomorrow - 2xRP coming so I'll finally upgrade my Perfect Elven Battle Still, I'm playing quite offensive mostly (Dread here, no Feytouched, I borrowed on that video) so I will die a little more often... or kill a little more often :P

I'm also using Stronghold Set and Sigil of Devoted / Oghma (if I will have enough rp/ad to upgrade it to mythic) so basicly no heals for me despite pots/insignias

gomok72

joshrdajoker35 said:

I haven't reached mod 10 yet being on Xbox but honestly this post seems a bit dramatic. I guess when we get it if no changes have been made I'll find out for myself.

I am being a bit dramatic to be honest, I haven't found too many people in the game that can beat me in a one on one outside of Rangers (As long as they have piercing, gonna be hard pressed now) and some of the hard hitting Guardian fighters (Think I now have a build to beat most of the ones I had a hard time with).

For the most part though, I just think SW could have been done a lot better than it has been done and it seems to me like it was just thrown together unfinished for mod 10. theory behind all these changes and nerfs is that the developers do it in hopes of people leveling up new classes within the game and spending more money for new items (I won't put into any other current class, like I have my Warlock, period.).

Again, I hope they get good metrics back on the next NCL and how many Warlocks will be dead, laid out in dom matches tryiing to fight against other "Better built" PvP classes within the game, as it takes a lot of resources, time and serious effort to PvP with this classes (More so than with any other class in the game, currently).

gomok72

fernuu said:

joshrdajoker35 said:

I did watch it the day he put it up and he didn't have near as bad of a time as you suggest. I just re-watched it his 3 deaths cam in 2v1 3v1 situations. Gf & tr courage breaking etc, DC gf tr etc.... I assume the other team was geared and 3.8-4.2 IL. Looking at his stats his arm pen is 8700 which is low for pvp unless pop and HB feats increase it quite a bit, but yeah with watching it and not just saying omg he died 3 times this is horrible they were poor situations at best with our "still" lack of dodges and such. Looking to see more Dom vids from @fernuu and @paixnidiaris2

I will definitely play/upload more PvP after tomorrow - 2xRP coming so I'll finally upgrade my Perfect Elven Battle Still, I'm playing quite offensive mostly (Dread here, no Feytouched, I borrowed on that video) so I will die a little more often... or kill a little more often :P

I'm also using Stronghold Set and Sigil of Devoted / Oghma (if I will have enough rp/ad to upgrade it to mythic) so basicly no heals for me despite pots/insignias

Fernu, we need to talk, I got a PvP build for you >:)

treesclimber

SW is definitivelly not worse than before, but by saying this i assume BT is just bugged by now and will soon be fixed, the thing around SW is that devs want to force deflection as a way of protection and CC resist and i cant quite tell why.CC is a big problem that i face in pvp, my cc resist apart from tenacity is 20% andi get stun locked and killed like a leaf of papper, so is it suposed for use to build deflection + life steal only? That's kind of sadening, deflect in pve in a sw it's.....complicated, so only pve or only pvp or give way the negation for a elven.

schietindebux

I did some matches and also tried a match vs a GWF, better equipped, two rosegoldrings etc...
lifesteal / selfheal on GWF feels somehow broken, but i managed the class much better than before.
SE+first strike is a onehit if I can´t time that "pseudo dodge" , it´s a matter of timing.
No chance to go temptation, missing too much damage that way.
Hellbringer is viable in my eyes and Pillar of power pretty nice, Hellish rebuke+Creeping death (having some RI) deals >50% of my damage. But I can´t tell about warlock on maxed level being 3.4 IL
I miss mobility somehow, maybe some movement and better staminagain would help.
I ask myself if 3x warborn armor having 6000 movement and 400 tenacity plus prestige longcoat may be a deal. Anyone tested that setbonus?
This is what I would like to get done
1.fix BT and BT feature
2. WB should be fixed. It respects targets tenacity and defense all time but not mine hitting me for 22k , 50% from incoming damage dealt by myself, that´s somehow stupid cryptic
3. lift the immunity frame from shadow walk a bit, one scond with a cooldown is very poor, when I can near perma dodge with my DC without big efforts, same as CW can chain his dodges... only 1,5 to 1,8 seconds

PS: met that new combat Hunter in PVP...I tend to call that piercing nonsense broken, sry
same as TR no arp, high power and dealing double the damage of all other classes together lol, good job cryptic

fernuu

gomok72 said:

fernuu said:

joshrdajoker35 said:

I did watch it the day he put it up and he didn't have near as bad of a time as you suggest. I just re-watched it his 3 deaths cam in 2v1 3v1 situations. Gf & tr courage breaking etc, DC gf tr etc.... I assume the other team was geared and 3.8-4.2 IL. Looking at his stats his arm pen is 8700 which is low for pvp unless pop and HB feats increase it quite a bit, but yeah with watching it and not just saying omg he died 3 times this is horrible they were poor situations at best with our "still" lack of dodges and such. Looking to see more Dom vids from @fernuu and @paixnidiaris2

I will definitely play/upload more PvP after tomorrow - 2xRP coming so I'll finally upgrade my Perfect Elven Battle Still, I'm playing quite offensive mostly (Dread here, no Feytouched, I borrowed on that video) so I will die a little more often... or kill a little more often :P

I'm also using Stronghold Set and Sigil of Devoted / Oghma (if I will have enough rp/ad to upgrade it to mythic) so basicly no heals for me despite pots/insignias

Fernu, we need to talk, I got a PvP build for you >:)

Sure, catch me on game / here on PM / you can find my mail at YT channel (I'm always on mail)

gomok72

schietindebux said:

I did some matches and also tried a match vs a GWF, better equipped, two rosegoldrings etc...
lifesteal / selfheal on GWF feels somehow broken, but i managed the class much better than before.
SE+first strike is a onehit if I can´t time that "pseudo dodge" , it´s a matter of timing.
No chance to go temptation, missing too much damage that way.
Hellbringer is viable in my eyes and Pillar of power pretty nice, Hellish rebuke+Creeping death (having some RI) deals >50% of my damage. But I can´t tell about warlock on maxed level being 3.4 IL
I miss mobility somehow, maybe some movement and better staminagain would help.
I ask myself if 3x warborn armor having 6000 movement and 400 tenacity plus prestige longcoat may be a deal. Anyone tested that setbonus?
This is what I would like to get done
1.fix BT and BT feature
2. WB should be fixed. It respects targets tenacity and defense all time but not mine hitting me for 22k , 50% from incoming damage dealt by myself, that´s somehow stupid cryptic
3. lift the immunity frame from shadow walk a bit, one scond with a cooldown is very poor, when I can near perma dodge with my DC without big efforts, same as CW can chain his dodges... only 1,5 to 1,8 seconds

Well, I think that 6k is needed to be honest, HR are running it, GF and TR are running it, I shadowslipped today, and a GF kept up with me using the set and insignia bonus (which makes no sense to me), I tried running from a Ranger today and got "Piercinged to death".

I've been running solo a lot as I usually do (this is how I test and build my Warlock in every mod + most of our good PvP people quit the game), but it's hard to really test things, due to running into 1.8IL PUGs or 4.2IL premades. I think people as of late have been really nice to give me one on ones when I ask to constantly and honestly test these builds.

I personally do not like Hellbringer and would prefer to go back to SB PvP spec, but I don't know if that spec will ever be viable again in PvP (Still not sure why Amenar messed it up like he did).

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gomok72

etelgrin said:

Well to be honest, I enjoyed using Howling weapon, I think its best SW PvP asset available to the teamwork oriented PvP game could have but without Borrowed Time even the fastest of the fastest SW would die due to lack of passive healing and at the same time insignia healing nerf (is affected by healing depression now). I had alot of ACTs of how strong my heals was thats why its hard to make up to this situation although I found a solution. I'm going to refine alot this double RP and come back to PvP and vids making again, I will see how good this hellbringer can go. Its actually quite good they havent fixed Borrowed Time yet because I would be most likely respecing back to Soulbinder because its more my playstyle than hellbringer is, I like building sparks, healing and sliding superfast from node to node.

Amen brother, amen.

treesclimber

schietindebux said:

I did some matches and also tried a match vs a GWF, better equipped, two
3. lift the immunity frame from shadow walk a bit, one scond with a cooldown is very poor, when I can near perma dodge with my DC without big efforts, same as CW can chain his dodges... only 1,5 to 1,8 seconds

PS: met that new combat Hunter in PVP...I tend to call that piercing nonsense broken, sry
same as TR no arp, high power and dealing double the damage of all other classes together lol, good job cryptic

I think it should be flat damage reduction and CC imunity for longer time, the damage imunity frame belongs to something like first time in battle the sw passes 50% HP, if you get locked, no point in trying to shadowslip, on the other hand if you have CC resist enough you can shadowslip in the middle of a smoke bomb for example and save yourself from SE.

joshrdajoker35

BT being fixed +100