Archer multi target

treesclimber

3rd day archer now and multi target is a complete trash, far behind sw's, far behind gwf's, single target is great but multi is the worst in the game.
I mentioned over and over again in the preview feedback/oficial feedback, but devs keep ignoring or dont read:

Archer needs threath reduction/solution, electric shot is a huge aoe', we cant wait for the tank to get the aggro because many of the tanks wont get it and also because other dps's dont need to wait for that because they are not so much at risk as we are. The speed from hasty retreat helps but by runing, dodging we're not attacking and many fights last only a matter of seconds.

Throw caution now requires a melee target, this simply wont work, tried the best i could with marauder's escape to keep aspect of the falcon at vantage but it's still really bad, what was the point of this change, it could simply keep tthe animation, require a target to cast but simply hit that target with a lightning from affar, copy monshae druid FX or whatever.

I am really disapointed with archer performance, as a combat ranger in speed runs i make at least 2 times more damage in multi target....there is simply no point in archery since combat can easly deal 70% of archer damage in single target.

So how the hell can i make a dev actually read 1 post because the suport keeps saying "oh yeah yeah ty for you colaboration, we'll pass this through"

lirithiel

Archers have never been kings of AoE and I guess we never will be and I am cool with that, just the the turtle in your sig If you are relying on Electric Shot for your AoE then you're doing it wrong. ES still doesn't come close to Split Shot in damage - both were buffed in Mod 10 but SS was always higher damage. I use CoA, RoA and Split Shot on mob packs and sometimes TBS for the extra 16% damage when hitting 3 or more targets. Archery will never match a SW Combat HR using CtG when it comes to AoE but then Combat will never match Archery for single-target damage. Archery will lose out in AoE fights but will more than make it up on single targets.

treesclimber

I dont have doubt that it looses and i dont mind (as long as it's not by astronomical values like it is now) because i know archers can deal awesome single target damage and still debuff the target, it cant be good at both things, but honestly now i spend 50% of the time runing away from mobs and forest ghosting, i have a yeti and a owl and all this because of tanks incompetence. So should archery be only reliable with a decent tank? (and i say this because 30 minutes ago i made a elol run with a simply awesome tank, a gwf a bit higher il than me ended 32kk for him, 30kk for me.)

About ES and Split strike i use them situationaly and yes it dosnt make up much of my damage, but a simple little strike on a target and he wants to hug me right away. "Hey you hit me with electricity, lets hug!".

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lirithiel

I don't seem to have any problems with aggro when I spam Split Shot and that's with the 16% extra damage from TBS included. Dunno what to say - the days of HR grabbing aggro with a single Split Shot are long gone.

treesclimber

Try going on a pug with 2 bad dps and a tank that keeps insisting in using bull charge, lunging strike and iron warrior and still always dying.....it was my first party today.....in etos were mobs hit considerably well already. So yes Hunter ranger archer rellies a lot on group and that is certainly not correct, maybe i'me wrong and should just queue and exit over and over again till i get a decent tank or i should offer a respec token to the tank if he has no threath powers or even better, in the beggining of every dungeon just give a yet to all the party, some treatises and ad for the upgrade. Just saying a threath reduction/mechanic in cap feat of archery would hurt 0 pvp and help lots in pve, lots.

kangkeok

lirithiel said:

Archers have never been kings of AoE and I guess we never will be and I am cool with that, just the the turtle in your sig If you are relying on Electric Shot for your AoE then you're doing it wrong. ES still doesn't come close to Split Shot in damage - both were buffed in Mod 10 but SS was always higher damage. I use CoA, RoA and Split Shot on mob packs and sometimes TBS for the extra 16% damage when hitting 3 or more targets. Archery will never match a SW Combat HR using CtG when it comes to AoE but then Combat will never match Archery for single-target damage. Archery will lose out in AoE fights but will more than make it up on single targets.

I think they boost the cast speed of electric shot in M10. It maybe faster than rapid or same as rapid but its definately alot faster than the old one. The old one fire at the same rate as splitshot at minimum charge. That make it inferior to splitshot due to the dmg it does. But with the new ES cast speed, i think it might be better than splitshot. Need further testing tho. SS is bursty but i feel ES is more efficient.

flowcyto

Yes, ES's anim was sped up considerably, leading to better dps from it. Haven't gotten the chance to test AoE dummies of Split Shot vs. ES, though. I imagine they're closer than they were before.

midnightflares

Currently I am using Rain, Cordon, and then rush in for Plant then move back out for AoE on mine, works welll. Not a fan of split shot so i usually just spam Aimed until CDs are off.

treesclimber

midnightflares said:

Currently I am using Rain, Cordon, and then rush in for Plant then move back out for AoE on mine, works welll. Not a fan of split shot so i usually just spam Aimed until CDs are off.

The problem is (it was very clear in the patch notes that some people intended to play single stance and single stance only and so the fixes would aim those players) for a behaviour like yours the best build is archer/trapper with aots and not aotf because you'll have more impact damage (i mean just compare plant growth with split the sky) and me and many other players want to play ranged, not hybrid, for that i would be a trapper.

mayday

treesclimber said:

midnightflares said:

Currently I am using Rain, Cordon, and then rush in for Plant then move back out for AoE on mine, works welll. Not a fan of split shot so i usually just spam Aimed until CDs are off.

The problem is (it was very clear in the patch notes that some people intended to play single stance and single stance only and so the fixes would aim those players) for a behaviour like yours the best build is archer/trapper with aots and not aotf because you'll have more impact damage (i mean just compare plant growth with split the sky) and me and many other players want to play ranged, not hybrid, for that i would be a trapper.

longstrinder, rain, cordon.
when you can not use longstrinder (have no ranged targets) swap longstrinder for ward
when you have to fight lots of mobs (say valindra, or demonic slaughter) swap longstrinder for StS

droping plant groth and thorn strike when mobs enter mele range is also usefull and helps a lot, and if you ignore this option, you loose some DPS.

treesclimber

mayday#2798 said:

treesclimber said:

midnightflares said:

Currently I am using Rain, Cordon, and then rush in for Plant then move back out for AoE on mine, works welll. Not a fan of split shot so i usually just spam Aimed until CDs are off.

The problem is (it was very clear in the patch notes that some people intended to play single stance and single stance only and so the fixes would aim those players) for a behaviour like yours the best build is archer/trapper with aots and not aotf because you'll have more impact damage (i mean just compare plant growth with split the sky) and me and many other players want to play ranged, not hybrid, for that i would be a trapper.

longstrinder, rain, cordon.
when you can not use longstrinder (have no ranged targets) swap longstrinder for ward
when you have to fight lots of mobs (say valindra, or demonic slaughter) swap longstrinder for StS

droping plant groth and thorn strike when mobs enter mele range is also usefull and helps a lot, and if you ignore this option, you loose some DPS.

Why did you quote me saying that HR should have option to play single stanced only and sugested your rotation that is obviously using both stances? And have to fight lots of mobs like valindra? Unless i get grabed i make sure valindra is dead before she can spawn any mobs, the only trouble there is me stealing tank aggro, im'not sure if you are aware of the reality of pugging, stealing aggro from bosses like valindra, fulminorax, balor's(these guys are the worst), traven is the daily dish and i want to use the maximum of my aotf, so no, i can never use pg or anyother combat ranged power.

mayday

treesclimber said:

mayday#2798 said:

treesclimber said:

midnightflares said:

Currently I am using Rain, Cordon, and then rush in for Plant then move back out for AoE on mine, works welll. Not a fan of split shot so i usually just spam Aimed until CDs are off.

The problem is (it was very clear in the patch notes that some people intended to play single stance and single stance only and so the fixes would aim those players) for a behaviour like yours the best build is archer/trapper with aots and not aotf because you'll have more impact damage (i mean just compare plant growth with split the sky) and me and many other players want to play ranged, not hybrid, for that i would be a trapper.

longstrinder, rain, cordon.
when you can not use longstrinder (have no ranged targets) swap longstrinder for ward
when you have to fight lots of mobs (say valindra, or demonic slaughter) swap longstrinder for StS

droping plant groth and thorn strike when mobs enter mele range is also usefull and helps a lot, and if you ignore this option, you loose some DPS.

Why did you quote me saying that HR should have option to play single stanced only and sugested your rotation that is obviously using both stances(1)? And have to fight lots of mobs like valindra(2)? Unless i get grabed i make sure valindra is dead before she can spawn any mobs, the only trouble there is me stealing tank aggro, im'not sure if you are aware of the reality of pugging, stealing aggro from bosses like valindra, fulminorax, balor's(these guys are the worst), traven is the daily dish and i want to use the maximum of my aotf, so no, i can never use pg or anyother combat ranged power(3).

1) Cause when mobs are allready in your mele skills' range, it is helpful to drop them and then kite away

2) VT is a crowded dungeon, much more mobs then in any other dungeon, not only when she summons them but on the way to her room too.

3) Yeah, stealing agro is a problem in weak parties, so you are forced to enter the brawl, i am aware about this problem, thats why i recomend this rotations.

And all in all, my rotations do not require any mele skills to be used, but they give the option. So i gave you just 3 rotations that are usefull enough ranged only, and that give you the option to ocasionaly drop some extra skills when you ranged one are on cd.
I like the sniper playstile too, but for me, using some mele skills from time to time is not a problem.