Still mad having to buy zen for coalescent wards.

krazydog

10 bucks a coalescent ward. You would think that they would allow another way to make it happen, since wards never made it to the tradebar merchant. Like maybe a monthly challenge or something.

zephyriah

krazydog#1509 said:

10 bucks a coalescent ward. You would think that they would allow another way to make it happen, since wards never made it to the tradebar merchant. Like maybe a monthly challenge or something.

They do for no money, convert AD to Zen. Invoking will also get a few, one or two a year per character. Other than those, you will be spending cash.

But you are mistaken about wards never making it to the tradebar merchant. They were there from the time the game started on Xbox, but instead of the promised price reduction they were completely removed.

kreatyve

From the looks of the last Jubilee, they are working on other ways (RNG based) to add more coal wards to the game. Just please try to be patient.

armadeonx

That'd be welcome...

xalorus

Knock down the price of VIP. One of the reasons I purchased VIP was the ability to spend bars on wards and rubies. They concede the value of the product for dollar value. Yet I still play due to the amount of friends I have playing. Guess It still upsets me also. Tc (that company politician always shows up on these).

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eractic

I have 15 characters and invoke on all, when I have 11 celestial coins on one I buy the coffer of celestial enchantments (less items, better chance of a Coalescent ward) stack the boxes to about 15-20 and open, this year so far I have pulled 5 coalescent wards. I suggest just stack those boxes then open, prefer this to buying them, they could have dropped the price to 500 zen and I would have been okay with it, 100 zen is just expensive even for AD exchange

iccyasd

krazydog#1509 said:

I'm just so frustrated. I have so many things ready to go, but I can't burn my superior marks and greater marks on a 5% chance.

why do you need burning your superior/greater marks when you can use Preservation Ward? at 5% chance i think the most i used was 30+, was lucky that i got it to Mythic in 2 tries for 1 of my Artifact. (bought like 300-400 PW during the 50% zen market discount)

thefiresidecat

pressie wards...

mightyeriksson

eractic#9186 said:

I have 15 characters and invoke on all, when I have 11 celestial coins on one I buy the coffer of celestial enchantments (less items, better chance of a Coalescent ward) stack the boxes to about 15-20 and open, this year so far I have pulled 5 coalescent wards. I suggest just stack those boxes then open, prefer this to buying them, they could have dropped the price to 500 zen and I would have been okay with it, 100 zen is just expensive even for AD exchange

The chance for a Coalescent Ward is the same on all those boxes (around 1% iirc?), it doesn't make a difference how many items are in the loot-table.

mightyeriksson

krazydog#1509 said:

10 bucks a coalescent ward. You would think that they would allow another way to make it happen, since wards never made it to the tradebar merchant. Like maybe a monthly challenge or something.

They could at the very least bring the Preservation wards back to the Tradebar-store, soooooo annoying using 10+ when refining a R8 to R9...

gamertothebone

mightyeriksson said:

eractic#9186 said:

I have 15 characters and invoke on all, when I have 11 celestial coins on one I buy the coffer of celestial enchantments (less items, better chance of a Coalescent ward) stack the boxes to about 15-20 and open, this year so far I have pulled 5 coalescent wards. I suggest just stack those boxes then open, prefer this to buying them, they could have dropped the price to 500 zen and I would have been okay with it, 100 zen is just expensive even for AD exchange

The chance for a Coalescent Ward is the same on all those boxes (around 1% iirc?), it doesn't make a difference how many items are in the loot-table.

The chance is better then 1% or I been extremely lucky.

Regardless as long as PC can get the wards for Bars and the Xbox can not then Arc has given their customers a great reason to be angry.

I support this game and try to get people to see the up side of things but when it comes to Coalescent Wards ... well Arc has left no footing at all for their supporters to stand on.

Really hope Arc understands how bad of a perception this is causing because right now people feel like they are getting the middle finger from Arc on this issue and people like me that try to help players understand the balance between entertainment and business really have nothing to help Arc out with about this.

satniteeduardo

Run a few weeklies and dungeons and buy 10 pres wards. A 5% chance should in theory use 20. 200 zen worth not 1000 zen worth. Coalescent wards only come into it for 1% chances assuming you are risk averse.

cscriv79

I only use pres wards even for the 1% chance items, with 100 wards I got a dread to greater made several shadow clads to sell and turned a few enchants to rank 9.

thefiresidecat

mightyeriksson said:

krazydog#1509 said:

10 bucks a coalescent ward. You would think that they would allow another way to make it happen, since wards never made it to the tradebar merchant. Like maybe a monthly challenge or something.

They could at the very least bring the Preservation wards back to the Tradebar-store, soooooo annoying using 10+ when refining a R8 to R9...

that would be nice.

ecrana

satniteeduardo said:

A 5% chance should in theory use 20.

That's the theory and it's rarely ever happened for me. I'm working on a 5% right now that I've already wasted 53 pres on and still haven't gotten it to flip. I've also used 30+ on 60% chances. Most of the people I know have had similar luck.

I did hit 2 mythic artifacts using only about 10-15 pres. But the majority of the time I'm way over using what should be a reasonable amount of pres to flip something.

nightranger7477

Change instance after 5 or so, it works. Also move to a map with the least amount of ppl in it, I have had very good luck using this method. Flipped several 11s to 12s this last double refinement. And several mythics on an alt of mine using only 40 to 50 pres wards.

sundance777

The key to beating the RNG is doing something that has no bearing on statistics and believing it works, my trick is to sit on my mount in a specific spot in the stronghold, it works miracles (sometimes and other times I use 80 wards on a 20%)

thefiresidecat

holy HAMSTER you guys have bad luck. I've never used more than 30 getting an arti to mythic. I plan on 30 when i'm doing that. generally it flips somewhere between 20 and 25 but one of them hit on the second try. I've probably bought 800 worth this weekend and I managed to get 2 enchants to level 9 and 5 or 6 to level 10 and 11. I had some on hand that I didn't buy, but I think it would have been no more than 1000-1100 worth total. the worst enchant was like 27 tries Iirc and the best was 2. ironically the level 9 was the worst one.

zman81420

1st world problems right? I've never gotten a free coalecent ward from praying or events and I'm fine with it because there are always gains to made elsewhere. Been on here since near launch and just some are lucky and some pray on 50+ mules.

dupeks

On thing that is easy to overlook is that Coal wards are a constant source of Zen purchases, even from experienced players. If coal wards become more available through in-game RNG, we should expect to see some other revenue stream appear to try to offset the lost revenue from Coal ward sales.

I think this could be a good thing (if they focused their efforts on monetizing fashion / cosmetics), the folks upstairs could choose a different path that has unintended negative consequences on the game.

Remember that this game is free to play, but not free to develop. There needs to be a way to make money, and if you take away the need for Zen-bought Coal wards, the folks upstairs are going to feel it in their bottom line.

satniteeduardo

ecrana#2080 said:

satniteeduardo said:

A 5% chance should in theory use 20.

That's the theory and it's rarely ever happened for me. I'm working on a 5% right now that I've already wasted 53 pres on and still haven't gotten it to flip. I've also used 30+ on 60% chances. Most of the people I know have had similar luck.

I did hit 2 mythic artifacts using only about 10-15 pres. But the majority of the time I'm way over using what should be a reasonable amount of pres to flip something.

I have gone over 20 this time but have also had 3% flip using about 10 or so. Its RNG and evens out over time or over the whole player base.

unitedweevil679

It does even out. For every 50 of you pulling on your first try, there's one of me. I've never upgraded first try without a coal ward, barring 90%, and even those fail on me about half the time. My record on pres wards usage sits at 9 consecutive on a 90%, 23 on a 50%, 49 on 25%, 72 on 20%, and a whopping 218 on 10%.

If there was an option to burn twice the pres. Wards that -should- be required, I'd do it every time. For instance, many look at 50% and assume second attempt will succeed. You should be able to eat 4 pres wards to guarantee success. Likewise, 10% chance means theoretically on the tenth try. You should be able to burn 20 pres wards to make it so.

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thefiresidecat

dupeks said:

On thing that is easy to overlook is that Coal wards are a constant source of Zen purchases, even from experienced players. If coal wards become more available through in-game RNG, we should expect to see some other revenue stream appear to try to offset the lost revenue from Coal ward sales.

I think this could be a good thing (if they focused their efforts on monetizing fashion / cosmetics), the folks upstairs could choose a different path that has unintended negative consequences on the game.

Remember that this game is free to play, but not free to develop. There needs to be a way to make money, and if you take away the need for Zen-bought Coal wards, the folks upstairs are going to feel it in their bottom line.

i can guarantee they were doing far better monitarily before they dried up the coal wards we could get from the tradebar vendor. because many people that were buying many other things stopped buying because of it. they were also getting a lot of money for keys. those keys went to buy coal wards in the store mostly..

yes, the devs must eat.. but I"m not going to pay money to a game that lies to you. we were told for months in advance that the price of coals was going to be far less after the change. we hoarded our tradebars. we bought a ton of keys. then boom.. LIES.. they take it away.

so yeah. no guilt. they brought it on themselves thru a funneling kind of lying greed. it's called fraud in a lot of circles. and I don't think many people are buying them now because the player base is STILL livid about the whole fiasco.

I wasn't a whale before but I never had a problem with buying 40 dollars worth of stuff for each expansion. it's what I'd pay if it were a pay game. I'd never pay more than what I'd pay if it were a normal game. but I'd pay what I'd pay if it were... but I won't support a game that lies to me. Especially when I've put a lot of time and effort into the game expecting a certain result from it..

and lets get on to what you're getting for the devs time.. is it bug fixes? is it player balancing? is it new content that isn't just repeating over and over???

not a lot... no.. not really..

so yeah, they need to put the wards back in teh store. it would go a lot further than anything else for many of us. and they'd make a lot more money because a lot of people would drop their boycott.

armadeonx

You can tell how much real money people are spending by the exchange. A lower exchange means people are spending cash. Before the tb store thing the exchange was steady around 150AD, now it's around twice that.

The inference being that people are spending a lot less real money since they did this. They shot themselves in the foot - twice.

Once with income generation, the second with the amount of negative feeling it generated in the community.

d4rkh0rs3

A lower exchange may also mean people are not spending AD on Zen. This can either be due to not having anything they consider of value from the Zen store, or simply because they do not have enough AD.

The ADX is based off of two factors:
1) People spending real money on Zen and selling it for AD*
2) Available AD**

* There must be incentive to sell Zen for AD. In theory, you're not going to sell Zen for AD if everything you need is on the Zen store. You're also not going to sell Zen for AD when the exchange is not in your favor.

** A few months ago, Xbox was at ~120. This prompted Cryptic to give away 100,000 rough AD per account. Cryptic must have had data telling them there was not enough AD in the economy to boost the ADX.

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cesar

armadeonx said:

You can tell how much real money people are spending by the exchange. A lower exchange means people are spending cash. Before the tb store thing the exchange was steady around 150AD, now it's around twice that.

The inference being that people are spending a lot less real money since they did this. They shot themselves in the foot - twice.

Once with income generation, the second with the amount of negative feeling it generated in the community.

armadeonx said:

You can tell how much real money people are spending by the exchange. A lower exchange means people are spending cash. Before the tb store thing the exchange was steady around 150AD, now it's around twice that.

The inference being that people are spending a lot less real money since they did this. They shot themselves in the foot - twice.

Once with income generation, the second with the amount of negative feeling it generated in the community.

It's a combination of available Zen and available AD, as d4rkh0rs3 put it.

When Zen was at around 120AD, there was more Zen than AD so its value drop (people didn't have enough AD to buy a lot of Zen).

Then along came Underdark with lots of salvage rings. Suddenly, you got new content that got people really engaged again, and lots and lots of rings turned into AD during 2xAD event. The perfect solution, no matter how many coalgates we get.

Lots of people with lots of AD who now needed Zen, so Zen price goes up easily cause the smart people selling 20k+ Zen do not just enter 5000 without upping the sale price first, and it goes up and up until it finds its break point. When does that happen? When the numbers in sales vs offers even out.

That and of course those who spend real money now see a better reason to do so (more AD). So the economy is engaged once more. Cryptic did a really good job at that.

So guess what's gonna happen when next 2x AD turns up.

d4rkh0rs3

@cesar#6784 yep, I agree.

Remember those consecutive 2x AD, 2x Salvage we had on xbox around that time? It was Cryptic's way of stimulating the economy with the release of Underdark, as you mentioned.

The next 2x AD or 2x Salvage on xbox is going to create a mess, haha! Buy Zen now! (That is if you have any left after 50% off and 2x Enchants + Key sale.)

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