Courage (defense) insignias.

jaime4312

Dps guys and healers, would you mind checking what an insignia bonus is about before choosing "need" when running epic dungeons?

You see, blue courage insignias give 100 defense... isn't logic that the tank should be the one getting and likewise you guys should get the ones that increase your damage or healing? My main is a guardian fighter and I'm getting tired to see dps classes (especially gwfs) and healers (especially dcs) taking them!

I ask you guys, why?? why do youn't check what is the insignia is about before choosing "need" when somebody finds one? And in case you check the insignia and choose "need" anyway, please answer me, what on Earth makes you think you need that 100 defense bonus more than a sub-80% damage resistance guardian fighter does?? You shouldn't choose "need" on courage (defense) insignias if the group has a tank!

I pass on every single insignia that doesn't give me defense, why can't dps and healers do the same with courage ones??

Even if I use game chat to let dps and healers know that I need courage insignias, they keep taking them. Why??

Unknown

This content has been removed.

armadeonx

Yep I only pass on types of insignia. I'm not yet at the point where I can be choosy about the actual stat of the thing. I'll get to that once my mounts all have the bonuses I'm after.

Edit - and really, 100 points defence is like 0.25% damage resistance. You're better off going for the combos that give power & defence boosts when your companion attacks, you should actually do what I said above.

And DC's often stack defence so I don't blame them. Mine has 15k defence. They get a lot of aggro and don't have the armor or health of a tank.

zephyriah

jaime4312#3760 said:

Even if I use game chat to let dps and healers know that I need courage insignias, they keep taking them. Why??

I use them on my cleric, so there goes your argument. I also use them on others, I don't subscribe to the philosophy of ignoring defense to boost DPS. General rule/procedure in groups, anything blue or better is going to be "need"ed on by most players. That's not going to change anytime soon.

Not 100% sure on this, but aren't they also unbound? That would make them valuable as well.

nightranger7477

Yeah it pretty pointless to whine about loot rolls lol
They are pretty cheap on ah now so save some ad and buy them if you can't get a drop.

eractic

My guild ask before hand who needs it and we all pass on it so the guy needing it gets it but if you're with randoms well they won't care, its loot for them. Just buy what you need from the AH and you won't need to worry about missing out on an insignia

jaime4312

Poopoo:

The defense bonus isn't trivial at all for me, as long as my damage resistance is below the cap (mine is at 66.8%), stacking defense is my priority so I do not care about insignia bonuses. You have no idea how important is to have a high base (which means no bondings no cleric buffs, notice the word "base") damage resistance, it means everything as it determines a guardian fighter's defensive consistency and survability, it also increases your pugging chances to succeed in a dungeon run, especially castle never which is pretty much the only I run nowadays... you see? that extra defense is not trivial at all.

Armadeonx: As dr mitigates incoming damage by flat amount, every bit of defense you can get is a really big deal, especially if you are like me and the only dungeon you run is castle never... the higher your base defense, the better time you'll have against Orcus (I do not use steel defense) especially if you happen to run with randoms and the healer is absent or there isn't any. Do you know what I mean? For example, a 5% - 10% increase in dr can significantly boost my survability against Orcus, it could also mean (in case there's no healer) I could take 1 - 2 extra hits before my hp drops to dangeours levels. The best pve guardians I've run with have 80% base dr and they tank Orcus better than any other gf I've seen ever, and that's where I want my want to be,
so that's why I favor high base dr over temporal bonuses.

Besides, if your dc is outaggroing the "tanks", those guys are better off either fully respeccing and modifing their toons' items or uninstalling the game, really.

Zephyriah:

If the tank in the group had 80% base dr it wouldn't matter who takes the insignias, but as (like me) most times it's not the case with most guardian fighters, it's very selfish and kind of "me me me" and "I'm the only player that matters, fu@# my teammates " to take those defensive bonuses away from the player that needs them the most.

To answer your question, no, the insignias you get in dungeon runs are bound to character therefore you can't even transfer them to your alts.

Nightranger:

Which insignias do you mean? Blue or epic ones? Last time I checked, epic unsignia packs were at over 100k ad each, that sounded expensive to me. Please can you check how much blue and epic insignias are going for now in the auction house? I'm currently traveling so won't be able to check the prices in a few days yet.

Unknown

This content has been removed.

jaime4312

null
Not for me as long as I'm still below the damage resistance cap. I prefer consistency over temporal stuff.

asjohnson

I don't think your quite get it though. 100 points is maybe .25%. So you would need 4 of them for just 1% in the first place. Therefore, you can most likely only have one of them per mount, so you would need 4 mounts for 1%. So yes, it is actually trivial. You don't seem to understand that combining a few insignias together will benefit you MUCH more than a measly .25%. You can get great bonuses. Honestly you should just try and get you DR up to 80% by forgetting all about the insignias, then once you get 80%...hey another .25% is an added bonus I guess.

Overall, the insignias are not meant to be a real stat booster like an enchant or a boon. They are meant to be combined to get odd/crazy/good/surprising bonuses.

armadeonx

Yep and by my calculations you need another 5,200 points in defence to reach your goal, insignias will add between 500-1000.

I understand your frustration but the other point you're missing is if people don't know you they really aren't going to do you any favors. They don't owe you anything and whilst it may possibly make you feel a bit better by vocalising here, it isn't going to change that fact.

jaime4312

null
Wrong, there are mounts that can have 2 insignias (that can be of epic quality) and some 3 (beetles) so with 1 mount you can get 1% dr or even higher, and you can have 5 mounts giving you defense stats, it wouldn't be that hard to get 3,9% - 5% dr that way. You clearly underestimate or don't understand how defense works nor how good it is to have its base stat as high as possible, the higher it is, the more you can ask a dc to focus almost exclusively to buffing or debuffing. My current base dr is 66.8% so my self healing is, in most cases, enough to keep me alive without a dc or healadin so I want to get even better at that and courage insignias will get me 1 step closer.

I think I will buy and slot epic courage insignias everywhere to replace the blue ones, that should leave my guardian with around 69,1% damage resistance.

The only insignia bonus I care about is the one that works like a dragonhoard enchanment, I have it for my healadin and want it for my dps alts, I could get some refinement there but that's it.null

Oh thanks for making those calculations! I have some serious grinding ahead of me then: max rank artifacts and azure enchanments... oh, epic insignias and once itf gets fixed so it works as intended (anything above 80% dr shouldn't give any more damage boost), I will go back to my goat and or an ioun stone, that should be enough to get 80% damage resistance.

I guess me complaining here is like other guys making threads against tr's shocking execution and other things such as perma-anything, yet those things keep happening, right? Anyway, I still do it because it's always good to see topics from different points of view, one may learn new things and that's good, or also having a good laugh like for example when bubble fans do state that prot paladin can't tank anymore Like, really? That class is brain dead easy and bubble fans talk about it as if only elite players can make it work

armadeonx

What does your guild defence boon currently add by the way? Also, are you wearing Dragon Flight? It gives a nice bonus of health, especially when Elemental.

jaime4312

null
The guild defense boon gives me between 3k+ - 4k,something like that, I'm not 100% about it. I'd say is like 3200.

I'm wearing 1 piece of Dragonflight (with major defense reinforcement kit on), I'm getting close to the 2nd one, I only need 10 fangs with an alt toon and then it'll be mine. I'm planning on wearing 2 dusk 2 Dragonflight, the bonus of the former is good enough like for giving up that of the latter.

wdj40

NEED NEED NEED NEED NEED NEED NEED NEED NEED NEED.... Accidently Pass... NEED NEED NEED NEED NEED NEED NEED NEED...

But if I get something and you ask nicely if you can have it 99% of the time I am happy to give the item to the nice person who requested it... other than that NEED NEED NEED NEED NEED NEED NEED.

jaime4312

null
Neverwinter needs more people like you, good sir! If I had run with randoms who think like you do, I'd have gotten all the free courage insignias I want and need I guess I have no choice but to grind ad to buy the epic ones... they seem to be really overpriced though!

armadeonx

Ok, well my guild's defence boon is 7.2k and about to become 8k so you have the ability to gain nearly all of what you need as your guild levels up.

jaime4312

I'm aware my guild's boon will eventually get me to 80% dr, however I don't feel like just waiting for that boon so, instead, I want to push my toon's defense as high as I can get it to.

armadeonx

Ah fair enough, you can always swap out for deflect as their boon improves.

jaime4312

null
That's one of the options I am considering, let's see what happens!

speedokillz

jaime4312#3760 said:

Dps guys and healers, would you mind checking what an insignia bonus is about before choosing "need" when running epic dungeons?



You see, blue courage insignias give 100 defense... isn't logic that the tank should be the one getting and likewise you guys should get the ones that increase your damage or healing? My main is a guardian fighter and I'm getting tired to see dps classes (especially gwfs) and healers (especially dcs) taking them!



I ask you guys, why?? why do youn't check what is the insignia is about before choosing "need" when somebody finds one? And in case you check the insignia and choose "need" anyway, please answer me, what on Earth makes you think you need that 100 defense bonus more than a sub-80% damage resistance guardian fighter does?? You shouldn't choose "need" on courage (defense) insignias if the group has a tank!



I pass on every single insignia that doesn't give me defense, why can't dps and healers do the same with courage ones??



Even if I use game chat to let dps and healers know that I need courage insignias, they keep taking them. Why??

...asking strangers in an MMO to not be greedy and selfish is like [insert your funny here].

sundance777

I hit greed on everything as I don't like having to review the item for usefulness and decide A/Y/X...sorry but if I win it's going in the coffer.

ltsmithneko

Run with a speedrun LGPG group for Salvage. *passes on insignia's n' let em rot on the ground* cx #RipCratch </3

ecrana

ha sorry but I'm hitting need on anything I either want, need or can donate to the guild coffer. the only thing i pass on is armor that has no value to me. i've seen plenty of tanks hit Need or greed on dps related insignias so it works both ways and i have no problem leaving it to RNG as to who gets the item.

asjohnson

Yep, if its a rando PUG I always need on anything like this. It's better for me to get it and use it, or put in my guild coffer, than let some rando player get it straight up. I mean I don't know these people, and will probably never see them again. Why do I care if they get something they may need if it risks the chance of me not getting something that could help me/my guild. (Granted we are GH20, so there is not too much else we need. But Alliances may let us help others with excess goods.)

Worst than the insignias though is the rando people that literally pick up EVERYTHING, whether its Green/Blue/or Purple. It's so annoying, and there is absolutely no point in picking up a green arm piece. If you need refinement that bad, that you put in nothing but greens, then you are doing it wrong. Same thing with the rank 3/4 stones that drop.

ltsmithneko

asjohnson#4476 said:

Worst than the insignias though is the rando people that literally pick up EVERYTHING, whether its Green/Blue/or Purple. It's so annoying, and there is absolutely no point in picking up a green arm piece. If you need refinement that bad, that you put in nothing but greens, then you are doing it wrong. Same thing with the rank 3/4 stones that drop.

I dont understand why they haven't removed those green item drops tbh.... lol

sundance777

That is all coffer food, gold or a couple diamonds on the AH! I pick up everything everything - set the group drops to free for all and you wont have to see the prompts.

asjohnson

A green piece does nothing for the coffer though, so it's still pointless. But that's just my opinion.

Unknown

This content has been removed.

ltsmithneko

Yup it literally will be replaced so quickly by the player, unless for some reason the player wants the green equipped. :P