Reduce crafting price of armor kits !!!(or remove it )

pan17

the ridiculousness of armor kit prices get over even the most stupid person....
80k ad to buy a greater armor kit that gives 100 more stat rating...? it's meaningless..just delete them from NW ....

wildfirede

yes they are a remain of before the powercreep even then it was too much, but now they give 1/20 the stats of a mount for what ... 200k ad or 1/40 of a guildboon for this money crazy hell you can even get a blue insignia or two for that money with more stats..

reefriednunt

Isn't it 200 more of a stat boost

adinosii

The armor kits are really only of interest to people who have run out of options to improve their stats....or are trying to push their IL above 4K.

Just let them pay....the price is fine.

jugger71

Yes please!

revan06100

+

plasticbat

There are many things that is "useless"/"not cost effective" these days. If you know it is not cost effective, just don't buy it.

revan06100

plasticbat said:

There are many things that is "useless"/"not cost effective" these days. If you know it is not cost effective, just don't buy it.

It is not the point.
If you go that way, just don't buy 90% of things, because it's not worth it.
But we're talking about the craft pricing, not how much it costs in AH.
And these things "not cost effective" as you say aren't effective indeed, but that's because they add to each other that you can build up your gear, and at the end of the day, you have to buy these "not cost effective" things if you want to reach an high IL/GS...

plasticbat

revan06100 said:

plasticbat said:

There are many things that is "useless"/"not cost effective" these days. If you know it is not cost effective, just don't buy it.

It is not the point.
If you go that way, just don't buy 90% of things, because it's not worth it.
But we're talking about the craft pricing, not how much it costs in AH.
And these things "not cost effective" as you say aren't effective indeed, but that's because they add to each other that you can build up your gear, and at the end of the day, you have to buy these "not cost effective" things if you want to reach an high IL/GS...

How much iLevel does that give you? I thought they fixed that long time ago and it does not give you much such as may be 10. I don't think it is even cost effective for the sake of the meaningless item level.

agilesto

Each kit is worth 35 IL, and the price is fine, since you only buy them once, to put them on your final gear. And it gives you so few stats that you buy / craft them only if you are BiS or want to be.

santralafax

agilesto said:

Each kit is worth 35 IL, and the price is fine, since you only buy them once, to put them on your final gear. And it gives you so few stats that you buy / craft them only if you are BiS or want to be.

No gear are FINAL. I"m going to need to buy jewels all over again when I switch from my Lostmauth gear to the new set. For that matter, I'm on my 4th set of "Final" armor since I started playing the game 2 yrs ago. They give few stats per kit, but you buy3 or 4 of them at a time--combined they do have an effect. And a high cost. Those costs (100K ad +dragon's egg + UE/per kit or jewel) were never lowered after the AD nerf.

voidgift

If you switch the lostmauth set in the temporary vendor you will get your jewels back, so you can put it on the new pieces. If he is still there..

I have no clue about how many of those sets I put on different kinds of stuff, but if I were short on money, there would probably hundreds of other things I'd rather do to get my scores up. It is not something that should be on anyone's need list.

santralafax

voidgift said:

If you switch the lostmauth set in the temporary vendor you will get your jewels back, so you can put it on the new pieces. If he is still there..



I have no clue about how many of those sets I put on different kinds of stuff, but if I were short on money, there would probably hundreds of other things I'd rather do to get my scores up. It is not something that should be on anyone's need list.

That's a good idea! I'm not going to have the new set levelled up until next 2x refine, we'll see how long she's there. She was there this last week when I looked.

agilesto

Elol set was fix after a year, are you saying that spending 200k to replace neck/belt jewels once a year is too much ?
And by final gear i meant the dragonflight set or drow/dusk set if you're not in a guild, or event masterwork gear but the price of this set to craft / buy is so expensive that 200k more to put on a kit doesn't sound that horrible ^^

regenerde

Since the Devs had no problem with removing rAD from all the Leadership tasks...
It shouldn't be an issue to remove all AD costs from all profession tasks as well.

And if you don't have a problem with paying those costs, go ahead and hand out free kits to everyone else.

crazybib

pan17 said:

the ridiculousness of armor kit prices get over even the most stupid person....
80k ad to buy a greater armor kit that gives 100 more stat rating...? it's meaningless..just delete them from NW ....

Not agree with you for a simple reason. if you use 4 greater armor kits you will have 4*200 stat for 400k AD + dragon egg (now, really easy to get or not expensive in AH). So these 4 armor kits give you more stat than any rank 12 enchantment (only 750 stat).But, atm, a radiant 12 for example costs 2M AD at the AH. so definitely, i prefer to invest 400k AD for 800 stat that 2M for 750.
What we can ask is to be able to remove these kits and use them on other gears, but this is another topic.

santralafax

crazybib said:

What we can ask is to be able to remove these kits and use them on other gears, but this is another topic.

Even better than cost reduction!

plasticbat

crazybib said:

pan17 said:

the ridiculousness of armor kit prices get over even the most stupid person....
80k ad to buy a greater armor kit that gives 100 more stat rating...? it's meaningless..just delete them from NW ....

Not agree with you for a simple reason. if you use 4 greater armor kits you will have 4*200 stat for 400k AD + dragon egg (now, really easy to get or not expensive in AH). So these 4 armor kits give you more stat than any rank 12 enchantment (only 750 stat).But, atm, a radiant 12 for example costs 2M AD at the AH. so definitely, i prefer to invest 400k AD for 800 stat that 2M for 750.
What we can ask is to be able to remove these kits and use them on other gears, but this is another topic.

You mean "major" and not "greater". Yes, no good reason to get "greater" if one wants BiS.

jugger71

Yes, please. Anyone advocating for the costs to remain please craft me some and send to me. I need (8 chars)*(3 armor kits)*(4 jewelry kits) = approximately 96 kits. So if you have 9.6 mil AD to simply toss around send some my way. I'll take the 9.6 mil ADs straight up to make it easier for you. I can do the crafting.

dameon2k

I think it is rather crazy you should have to spend AD, as in straight AD, to craft something. You already have to invest in professions as is and build up that profession. Now you want me to pay 100K AD to craft something. No thanks....I don't mind buying crafting materials but I play plenty of other MMOs that never make you pay a fee to actually craft the item itself.

feadan

dameon2k said:

I think it is rather crazy you should have to spend AD, as in straight AD, to craft something.

Money sinks like this are in almost every MMO and they are vital to the in-game economy.

Large amounts of AD are created every day and unless they get removed from the market again inflation will make AD worth less and less. This leads to skyrocketing prices and the situation where few people want to straight up trade Zen for AD anymore.

Maybe the amount of AD required could be optimized to make them more attractive to more people, so they get built more often. Thus increasing the overall amount of AD "destroyed".

regenerde

Those kind of "Money sinks" were valid... BEFORE rAD was removed from ALL Leadership tasks.
Now they have to go.

santralafax

regenerde said:

Those kind of "Money sinks" were valid... BEFORE rAD was removed from ALL Leadership tasks.
Now they have to go.

Beat me to it. We just had a major rolling AD overhaul--and these are about the only items that got missed in the restructuring.

sockmunkey

santralafax said:

regenerde said:

Those kind of "Money sinks" were valid... BEFORE rAD was removed from ALL Leadership tasks.
Now they have to go.

Beat me to it. We just had a major rolling AD overhaul--and these are about the only items that got missed in the restructuring.

They didn't get missed. Cryptic realized that they couldn't possibly reprice every item in the game. So their fix was to raise the refining cap. It was a quick fix, let people have more AD and then they wont have to alter prices on items.

Of course, it pretty much undid the entire reason for the leadership nerf, but thats another rant.

We are back to the point where we need more sinks, and quickly. Just one look at the ZAX should tell you that.

aslan3775

I like the new sink--Power Points for AD. You pay your 15,000AD, work in Sharandar for 4 days, and get your power point. Nice deal. Just guessing here, but I could see each character getting at least 4 power points that way, which is 60K AD. Not as large of a sink as a major armor kit, but still--a good sink. And if you are looking at 4*200 for 400,000AD, it seems like a better deal.

jugger71

No, we most certainly do NOT need more AD sinks. What we need is a reason to spend cash money on the game. A reason other than gambling with worse odds than the lottery.

We need a reason to purchase their product with cash money. That does not exist currently imho.

revan06100

plasticbat said:

crazybib said:

pan17 said:

the ridiculousness of armor kit prices get over even the most stupid person....
80k ad to buy a greater armor kit that gives 100 more stat rating...? it's meaningless..just delete them from NW ....

Not agree with you for a simple reason. if you use 4 greater armor kits you will have 4*200 stat for 400k AD + dragon egg (now, really easy to get or not expensive in AH). So these 4 armor kits give you more stat than any rank 12 enchantment (only 750 stat).But, atm, a radiant 12 for example costs 2M AD at the AH. so definitely, i prefer to invest 400k AD for 800 stat that 2M for 750.
What we can ask is to be able to remove these kits and use them on other gears, but this is another topic.

You mean "major" and not "greater". Yes, no good reason to get "greater" if one wants BiS.

Thing is, you got loads of enchants slots, when you only got 4 for armor kits...

plasticbat

revan06100 said:

plasticbat said:

crazybib said:

pan17 said:

the ridiculousness of armor kit prices get over even the most stupid person....
80k ad to buy a greater armor kit that gives 100 more stat rating...? it's meaningless..just delete them from NW ....

Not agree with you for a simple reason. if you use 4 greater armor kits you will have 4*200 stat for 400k AD + dragon egg (now, really easy to get or not expensive in AH). So these 4 armor kits give you more stat than any rank 12 enchantment (only 750 stat).But, atm, a radiant 12 for example costs 2M AD at the AH. so definitely, i prefer to invest 400k AD for 800 stat that 2M for 750.
What we can ask is to be able to remove these kits and use them on other gears, but this is another topic.

You mean "major" and not "greater". Yes, no good reason to get "greater" if one wants BiS.

Thing is, you got loads of enchants slots, when you only got 4 for armor kits...

Hmmm! Is that the exact reason why you want "Major" instead of "Greater"?
"Major" (200 stat) is better than "Greater" (100 stat).
Am I missing something such as "Major" has bug?

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adinosii

Armor kits prices are fine. No reason to craft them until you have yot final armor...elemental dragonflight or something like that and you only need 4. By the time you need the kits you should have a ton of AD anyhow.

urlord283

I don't mind the cost... just let us remove and reuse... That is the big problem... IMO