Trend of Distrust and sadness. (I cant make you do a damn thing, But I suffer from your mistakes)

triflen

We play this game in good faith. We build friendships and guilds based apon the world you gave us Cryptic, PWE. You built a game, set out the rules, game mechanics and the events as you saw fit from day one. We as a player base accepted what you presented to us. In that time from launch things have gone from potential to worse, and sadly even more unbelievably disappointing. I can go back as far as mod 2 to now and point out nerf, after nerf, after nerf. All these nerfs were created by your design team, coders and producers. There has not been a single thing demanded of you as a design team beyond a simple edict "stay true to the design and consistent with intentions"
Truly what are your demands of us as a player base? Do we have things drastically changed over and over and over again with the intention of us staying around?
One minute I read a calendar that says x event is scheduled. I did not ask for that event, I did not demand that event. However when that event is listed is it really to much to ask that it actually take place? You put out an item that is best in slot, worked for, built around and 9 months later you change its mechanic? Incomplete design of classes that from day one to now are completely different style of gameplay? (small example of that is hr- prior to stance change there was no need for trapper -now you cant be anything but trapper) Oathbound-we did not take part in its skillset, feat tree, but we suffer sweeping changes at your hands on a class you gave us apon your design. Why are we punished for your errors or mistakes in judgement.
I am one of those true gamers. Last time i used any kind of a cheat was back on a single player version of diablo.. yes that original diablo and it was a char editor. You know what I learned.. after enjoying that game for nearly 3 yrs straight, that one month after using a char editor it held no challenge or reward. I believe paying money for a game is expected if I enjoy the game. I ,from 1999 to 2012, payed monthly fees for three everquest accounts, and every expansion 3 times over. I payed really good money at least 25-50 at times over a hundred dollars a month to you as I played from mod 2 to mod 7. I however am done paying for a single thing. I cant trust you. I do not have a single slight clue as your intentions. I feel stupid for believing your direction is to better the experience for the gamer.
To quote " Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me three times, shame on both of us.” That shame on both of us is my commitment to playing and pocket book is closed. Sad part is I have given you more then three fools on me. A Lot more.

wylonus

make me think that we are still playing "Forever-Beta Mode" instead of launched game 3 yrs ago, and this game seem vanished since mod 6. it is seem more beta now than it was.

looomis

First, please use some paragraphs.

triflen said:

You put out an item that is best in slot, worked for, built around and 9 months later you change its mechanic?

If you don't know which items are going to be nerfed, please don't call yourself a true gamer...
Adapt and go on.

triflen

see looomis, I knew which item it was, I specifically did not mention it because its not a point of argument its an example. Its more about the trend that things have been established and then reworked, re-tuned or generally made less effective. Some are without a doubt flawed. My issue is not in fixing the flaw, my issue is them releasing it knowing its flawed.

wildfirede

So loomis as a true gamer you played a suboptimal build and did not use that said item for whole 9 months. really true gaming indeed...

and this is but one of the many things that cryptic failed at and yet you decided to attack the op solely on this sentwnce dismissing his whole argument you are a true gamer indeed and deserve this true game


Yes this item was known to be overpowered after months not being fixed it got used in almost any build for dps on the forums so it is not this man's failure to ressist to use it but cryptics to fix it in time (hell after 8-9 months into it there was a stream which every true gamer saw and in it it was hinted that the set will stay the same).

mercedesman

Folks, the grief we feel is all our doing. In life if you associate with people you cannot trust or deceive you regularly you have choice... disassociate and move on or stay put and get what is coming. The interesting thing to me is that week after week, month after month, people continue to complain about this game and then a month later they are still playing and complaining. Why? I too have major money in this game as I wanted to support something that I enjoyed doing but like the op, my wallet is closed.

I actually wonder sometimes whether or not if the people who play this game enjoy pain and punishment. Aren't games supposed to be fun? should we be spending our time fighting with Cryptic over the game or should we be doing something where we can focus on just having fun? or what I think is that the remaining players have fun both clearing mobs and complaining. If people really want to make a statement to Cryptic then the forums should be silent with no one to post.. but as it is now, players complain and pay and play and Cryptic laughs all the way to the bank. This is coming from a person who feels I have an addiction to the game and it is unhealthy.

wildfirede

Here i agree with you with everything - only reason to stay for me is the d&d license and nostalgia, but wallet is closed till i see it is worth it.

greywynd

Living games never leave open beta.

demonmonger

Living games do leave open beta.. they expand by adding new content without nerfing old content and mechanics.

lantern22

Is this the same item that they allowed you to swap over for whatever else you liked and keep your RP level?

yokki1

for me there were (yes past tense) worst things than the lol nerf. first it was the exploits that would go for months not fixed even though they were reported in detail and people were having parties with getting free AD (example exploiting old CN's final boss.) then came the stealth nerf at the dragon's hoard who they would not aknowledge for months and even after that they would not change the tooltip to reflect the limits so people would still spend AD for them. super low tactic.
i do not believe that people are masochists if they still play the game. i have some friends who still do (will never understand why). but when i ask them they say "we love the combat and the potential which sadly will never be realised".
too bad the combat has been surpassed by far by a buy to play recent mmo.

rapo973

Play, enjoy the game with your friends, spend 1% of what I would be ready to spend and wait.
This will be a slow agony.

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revan06100

mercedesman said:

Folks, the grief we feel is all our doing. In life if you associate with people you cannot trust or deceive you regularly you have choice... disassociate and move on or stay put and get what is coming. The interesting thing to me is that week after week, month after month, people continue to complain about this game and then a month later they are still playing and complaining. Why? I too have major money in this game as I wanted to support something that I enjoyed doing but like the op, my wallet is closed.

I actually wonder sometimes whether or not if the people who play this game enjoy pain and punishment. Aren't games supposed to be fun? should we be spending our time fighting with Cryptic over the game or should we be doing something where we can focus on just having fun? or what I think is that the remaining players have fun both clearing mobs and complaining. If people really want to make a statement to Cryptic then the forums should be silent with no one to post.. but as it is now, players complain and pay and play and Cryptic laughs all the way to the bank. This is coming from a person who feels I have an addiction to the game and it is unhealthy.

Thing is, silence means acceptance.
People complaining are old players, here since beta or the first 3 mods, and them not paying is not gonna change much, as most of the people intending to pay now, are new players...
Would you say to people living in a dictatorship to remain silent and to let their government just act as they wish? I don't think so, complains are the basis of improvement, without people complainging, Cryptic would just make it even more according to their desires, and nobody wants that...

mercedesman

No.. my comment on silence is inferring that people should stop playing and thus not caring to complain. I fully understand what the power of complaining "should be" but just look at every room on this forum and you will find broken records of the same ole complaints, wrapped in new wording, for months and months back...

Cryptic (The Devs) doesn't listen to us
They don't fix noted existing long term issues
They have offered no solution to PVP
They have nerfed every class in some way
They have monkeyed with the "economy" of the game
They have made the game more of a cash grab than a serious attempt to further the content
Powers for some classes have never worked as intended
Some paths for classes are nearly worthless

and so on..

The jest of what I am saying and in relation to the topic is if you and I know each other and you cannot trust me, do you have dealings with me? I would hope not. If you did have dealings with me and found them to be bad and you complained to everyone who would listen but nothing got better, would you still deal with me? I hope not. Now after all of that and you know you cannot trust me because of my actions or lack there of, and you have complained over and over and nothing has really changed and you still have dealing with me.. then you are the one to blame and have no reason to complain about the situation.

mrshabok

This game is a buggy mess with countless performace issues. I have never seen such an extreme QA failure. I fully believe that this and Tony Hawk 5 are the two most broken games in exsitence today.

demonmonger

Some of us stay out of hope that things will get better... some of us stay because we are stuck in the habit of playing. Some of us play because thereally is nothing on TV and we are bored of surfing YouTube channels

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lukejones77

wildfirede said:

Here i agree with you with everything - only reason to stay for me is the d&d license and nostalgia, but wallet is closed till i see it is worth it.

+1

I *want* to open the wallet and support further, but that's just enabling the trend we've had the last few modules.

kalina311

crainium#5721 said:

no need to spend money on this game, , can easily play it without cash, i supported the game in the begining but cryptic has shown that all they are is greedy, so cool, as i still play the game as it is cool when you have a guild full of great people. Most of what has gone wrong with this game is cryptic made changes for the QQing pvp'rs which as so few compared to pve , as pvp has squat to do with the actual game. that an the fact that there are entire guilds who have established themselves by grouping themselves with every exploiter in the game, yes there is always issues with any game, but cryptic takes forever to address many of the real problems which has left these groups of exploiters to basically take over the monetary in game system, as well they claim they do not change the rng, which is a total lie, its quite obvious that they mess with it. Zzzzz either way this game could be great, but you have greed runing it, just like everything else on this planet.

I dont know where you come off saying that every mistake and change and thing Cryptic caters to is because of pvpers
pvp has squat to do with the game? really entire mods maps and equipment sets are for pvp the devs just asked what new mode / map we want for pvp ...what changes did they make for qqing pvpers ?? the pally bubble nerf ? nope in fact there is a direct dev quote saying it was not because of pvpers !! List some examples please ...

http://www.arcgames.com/en/forums/neverwinter/#/discussion/1216237/what-new-pvp-mode-would-you-like-to-see-in-neverwinter

klangeddin

I'm not a PvPer by any stretch, but the recent nerfs (pally and losmauth set) were all about PvE. They were trivializing it beyond reason and, what's worse, is that this was happening only with certain classes and builds.
Honestly, I don't care about true gaming (I don't even know what the hell it's supposed to mean) or not, but even those who aren't "true gamers" could have seen those nerfs coming.
If there is anything to truly complain about is how long it took them to correct those problems, so much time passed that the player base started accepting it as normality, when it was not. Anyone with a minimal experience with any other game (not even necessarly mmorpgs) could tell you there was something wrong with those powers and that they were far too strong.

schietindebux

HM, true gamer...I got 8 chars, 4 at lev 70, 3 of them have the called set, and I appreciate that it got in line, far too late though.
Only thing i do not appreciate is the iplementation of a new "BIS set" instead of fixing all those useless setboni and give us something to play with, bc content is so boring..as another thread mentions: Nowhere to go.
PVP is ba far not the reason for failure. Only thing to blame is, that PVP´er frequently are the first , who are aware of broken mechanics and feats and name...or abuse it.

rayrdan

schietindebux said:

HM, true gamer...I got 8 chars, 4 at lev 70, 3 of them have the called set, and I appreciate that it got in line, far too late though.
Only thing i do not appreciate is the iplementation of a new "BIS set" instead of fixing all those useless setboni and give us something to play with, bc content is so boring..as another thread mentions: Nowhere to go.
PVP is ba far not the reason for failure. Only thing to blame is, that PVP´er frequently are the first , who are aware of broken mechanics and feats and name...or abuse it.

there is nothing bis in the demogorgon set, just look at its stats.

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schietindebux

The new set has by far the best setbonus.
It´s an up to 20% multiplier and works pretty good for some classes.
Comparing that bonus to other setboni like Black Ice Set there is no set wich can reach that bonus, talking about damage.

wildfirede

on avarage it's 5-7% (leta say ideal case you are fully healed all the time, boss goes from 100 to 0 and takes more damage under 50% from various companions and skills so the 10% are worth less in regards to total +% dmg)

the +1k movement and aoe ressist on the trinket could be arp or crit from another trinket

the 530 deflection on the neck could also be a offensive stat from for example imperial

and the +2 str/con and 530 deflect on the belt could be more usefull stats depending on your class....

i think for example for a mage thefabricant had some arc showing it is suboptimal...

zukn75

We pc players need to acknowledge several points. 1) This game is D&D in name only, 2) the limited assets and capabilities of the team making it and the limited cranial capacity of the owners 3)We will not be listened to, long term players are not a paying part of this financial model. 4) Even the might of Micro Soft has very little effect on the PWI level of standards in regards to customer service and transparency and clerity of official statements. 5
This ain't D&D with a friendly DM, this ain't an honest attempt to put the D&D license online, This isn't even a decent attempt a stortline RPG. This a churn house of for games cramming an obsolete engine into the D&D environment and trying to grab as much profit as possible.
Once you accept that and see it for what it is, enjoyment can be found.

nipsmeowington

Plenty of justice is at work here. Declining player base is a choice, not an inevitability. Other MMOs have expanded on PC while Neverwinter has not. If PWE wants to keep shrinking its pool of customers and going thru that pain, then great keep it up. Sure PWE can borrow more time with a couple more console ports. But sooner or later, in order to survive they must listen to what we have told them all along. When they do, I will gloat "I told you (PWE) so" and happily start buying zen again. If they don't, I'll happily spend somewhere else.

Meantime, I'll just enjoy my existing Neverwinter investment and in-game friends. Player community is by far the best thing about Neverwinter, increasingly so.

schietindebux

Atm my internal playerbase-barometer shows a significant loss of active member.
Our guildmember seems to have made their decisions.

asterotg

schietindebux said:

Atm my internal playerbase-barometer shows a significant loss of active member.

Our guildmember seems to have made their decisions.

Same here. While I am in a big active guild, my FL shows less and less online players. For SH we merged some guilds. Of 75 active players ca. 5 are left. After seeing the decline of one guild after another I joined one of the big ones, so my effort building the SH wont go to waste.

schietindebux

since 05/15 a player decrease >50% following arc numbers, but I am sure the last weeks there was a huge step down.
Our guild got lots of new member from everwhere, smaller guilds etc., but the activity is going down and down.
Atm I see a handfull of people actively playing, it´s more during weekends. When I started there where 4 pages actively taking part....
The argument that this game is nothing for long-term-player is not valid anymore in case no new player are joining