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magnaangemon01magnaangemon01 Member Posts: 51 Arc User
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I am running a WK Executioner rogue. I am 69 and getting owned in chapter 4 of the maze engine quests. The lich boss beats me down in seconds, so I'm thinking of respeccing at 70. Any advice on how I should build for better solo survivability and damage?

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  • blur#5900 blur
    blur#5900
         Member Posts: 490 Arc User
    Roll more :p
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  • magnaangemon01magnaangemon01 Member Posts: 51 Arc User
    Done that lol
  • magnaangemon01magnaangemon01 Member Posts: 51 Arc User
    Since no one has a suggestion for a good build, can someone point me towards a decent build?
  • mdpoysermdpoyser Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 28 Arc User
    WK executioner should work just fine in pve, if youre having trouble surviving try shadow strike, dazing strike, and smoke bomb. Use shadow strike to apply shadow of demise, disheartening strike, then drop a smoke bomb. Advantageous position plus oppressive darkness has good synergy
  • magnaangemon01magnaangemon01 Member Posts: 51 Arc User
    Disheartening strike the at-will ability?
  • mdpoysermdpoyser Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 28 Arc User
    magnaangemon01 said:

    Disheartening strike the at-will ability?

    yep, can't go wrong with a set and forget DOT that does decent damage
  • blur#5900 blur
    blur#5900
         Member Posts: 490 Arc User
    If you are going to respec decide if u want PVE or PVP and find a good build so u dont have to do it again. I guess u want PVE since u talk abt solo survivability.
    I myself have my own build, i spent all feats in Executioner part and i am Master Infiltrator.
    Surviving in solo questing and doing some lair quests alone was tough at lower levels, had to get help few times.
    I am using First Strike and Master Infiltrator (Yellow skills), Smoke Bomb+Dazing Strike+Impossible to Catch(Encounters), Duelists Flurry+Clouds of Steel(At-Wills), Lurkers Assault+Bloodbath(Dailies).
    I have used Tiamat's Orb of Majesty as primary artifact for questing when i was weaker bcs it helped me to keep mobs controlled longer, now i dont use it as primary tho bcs i dont need it anymore.
    My usual rotation was Stealth>Dazing>Smoke>Duelists Flurry>ItC>Duelists Flurry>Tiamat artifact>Bloodbath>repeat.
    That way mobs were either stunned or they couldnt hit me, but all that didnt work on targets which are immune to stuns and u have to roll a lot.
    I have picked all options which increase damage, my healing is bad,i have no lifesteal, i have 0 regeneration so i was eating potions like insane, bought 1 part of Dusk set to help me with regeneration and going after Insignia mount bonus which heals when you crit.
    Hope this helps you.
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  • magnaangemon01magnaangemon01 Member Posts: 51 Arc User
    edited April 2016
    I shall keep that in mind if I cannot get the same as above for a WK. Thank you. That was the type of reply I was waiting for.

    By the way, could you suggest a good starting budget build for gear, artifacts, and companions using only the AH?
    Post edited by magnaangemon01 on
  • blur#5900 blur
    blur#5900
         Member Posts: 490 Arc User
    magnaangemon01 said:

    I shall keep that in mind if I cannot get the same as above for a WK. Thank you. That was the type of reply I was waiting for.



    By the way, could you suggest a good starting budget build for gear, artifacts, and companions using only the AH?

    I am a free player, i dont use real money in game and its quite hard gearing up just from AH. I have 1 main character and 2 low lvls where i salvage gear so i earn 108k daily from refining ads + if i sell something that drops from PVE content.
    Good artifacts are DC sigil/Wheel of Elements(as primary), Lantern, CW sigil, Lostmauth horn, if you dont have CW sigil i suggest horn of Valhalla or TR sigil.
    You need around 140 stacks or r5 enchants to get 4 artifacts to max Refine Points+4 feeder artifacts which u will use as refine material to lvl up main 4 artifacts. You can do the math on that depending on current r5 prices (dont pay more than 5k per stack), also i suggest to get them to Legendary max RP and dont upgrade to Mythic bcs Coals are too expensive and u get only low stats from that.
    About gear, i use 2 parts of dragonflight head+arms, Dusk armor, Elemental Drowcraft boots(from black ice profession), you can use drowcraft armor if u dont have Dusk.
    About companions, buy a Goat, its cheapest augment and probably best stats boost for now. Other companions, you can use fire+air+earth archons but focus on Goat first.
    All those artifacts and gear are for a crit build. If you dont use crit then change it to fit your build.
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  • magnaangemon01magnaangemon01 Member Posts: 51 Arc User
    edited April 2016
    Ok. I have the air, fire, earth, water archons and a healer. Will look into the goat.

    Next question: What offense gems, defense gems, and utility gems do I need to slot? What's a good starting rank and what rank should I work up to?
    Post edited by magnaangemon01 on
  • mercedesmanmercedesman Member Posts: 200 Arc User
    While not as popular a path as Exec or Sab, I chose scoundrel and have loved it. My DPS is down from Exec a fair bit but I regularly pick up GWF's, SW's and CW's in fights. I go to WOD around the prison area and agro 4-5 groups of mobs and just beat them down all together. I soloed Giants in the Graveyard the other day without a single issue on health, yes it could have gone faster but I had no problem.

    I am MI Scoundrel, Dusk and Drow armor, rosegold medic rings, lostmouth set, mount bonus of 2k recovery, Trans negation, Twisted main and off, Trans Lightning, Sigil of the GWF, Sigil of the Trickster, LM Horn and Heart of the Black Dragon as my main art. Using Vicious enchants in both Off and Def. Went all STR and DEX.
  • blur#5900 blur
    blur#5900
         Member Posts: 490 Arc User
    Seems like mercedesman is doing much better than me with group of mobs, i guess scoundrel has lots of control. I prefer higher dps build tho since my target are dungeons. For offense pick radiants and azures and for defense deflection or life steal, i chose deflection. Rank7 is ok starting rank and work up to 9-10 if u can, i have rank 8 and focused on bonding pet with high rank bonding runestones so my enchants will be low for some time.
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  • mercedesmanmercedesman Member Posts: 200 Arc User
    I am using smoke bomb, dazing strike and impossible to catch (giants) or wicked reminder.. but with the lightning, I am "stunning" 3 mobs when I hit one with just the impact of the hit and not a control feature from the rouge. I have had people ask what was going on because with the DF hits, the lightning makes it look like something is wrong in game with the mobs glitching real fast.

    What I focused on, and sacrificed damage for, was recovery and AP gain. My crit is about 50% and with the lightning if the primary strike crits, the arc to the next mob crits but I have never seen the 3rd mob/arc crit in this case. I deflect about 52% currently with a bit of room to go with my enchants and my life steal is around 15% before feats. My mount insignia bonuses replenish my HP on crit and life steel and soon to be deflect. I have to say, compared to my 4K all crit GWF, this guy is a blast to play.
  • magnaangemon01magnaangemon01 Member Posts: 51 Arc User
    edited April 2016
    @mercedesman Can you post your build?

    And you don't have to tell me BiS, just give me some decent gear to make it through WoD.

    Like what stats my gear should have, etc.
    Post edited by magnaangemon01 on
  • micky1p00micky1p00 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 3,594 Arc User
    edited April 2016
    About stats I would go for crit + power, here is why:
    https://www.reddit.com/r/Neverwinter/comments/46kr1i/help_with_tr_stat_distribution/


    About build, imo there are 2 more or less good variations for PvE, both exe, one is more burst oriented using shadowborn, something like that (did it fast for example, may have missed something):
    http://nwcalc.com/index.html#/tr?b=23ci:k6rwk5:8dep:5tb7d,1lc3i8i:1000000:1000000:1zu5zuv&h=0&p=min
    (at BiS levels of power grim pleasure is a bit better, at lower flashing blades is better, action advantage or lucky skirmisher are both meh but need to put points somewhere)
    With a rotation that uses the big enocunters from stealth to use said shadowburn (both with invisible infiltrator):
    Stealth->dazing->lurkers/whilrwind->stealth->smoke,lashing->DF
    Or
    Stealth->lashing->lurkers->stealth->dazing/WR->DF->DF->stealth->DF (crit bleed)

    Another variation is to use back alley tactics instead of shadowborn to get more sustained and less burst, something like:
    http://nwcalc.com/index.html#/tr?b=2iev:k6rwk5:8dep:5tb7d,1lc3i8i:1000000:1z05000:1uu5uu1&h=0&p=min

    In this case you are better to use in rotation DF->stealth(on last part of DF but so the stealth remains after DF finishes)->dazing/lashing/smoke->lurkers/whirlwind->repeat.

    The reason for the rotation change is that shadowborn procs on bleed, and you dont want it to do it but on a big encounter instead. So in the first rotation we do the ecnounters first and then start to stack bleed.
    In the second variation we dont have that limitation so we can stack the bleed earlier, the downside is that SoD will be later and it more suites bug HP bosses and not trash because of this delay in burst.

    Also there are other rotations like stealth->BF->lurker->stealth->BF,BF,BF,BF.... (with TC4)
    or you can go sabo... but it's very different.
    All of the above uses invisible infiltrator (MI),

    I almost never visit this sub-forum, so if you have questions and you think I can help try the @handle thing so i get notified or message me in game or here (wall)
  • jshin#7087 jshin
    jshin#7087
         Member Posts: 24 Arc User
    To solo wod with tr all u need is 10%+ life steal. Work on life steal boons and u can have like 7.5% without any dark enchants.
    If your stats or ilvl is low and having trouble surviving then I'd recommend u to take 15 points of your feat points into scoundrel while u upgrade your tr.
    also if u plan to stay on wk make sure to slot advantageous position and use artifact offhand feat to give u that 20% dmg resistance to melee attacks.
    *just a tip. if u combine courage breaker, vengeance pursuit and disheartening strike to a strong mob it reduces there dmg quite significantly.
  • magnaangemon01magnaangemon01 Member Posts: 51 Arc User
    After using the test realms, and running a bit with mercedesman in-game, I've decided to stay WK. I found it easier to run for me. So now all I need, is advice for when I respec. And mainly on the feats, dailies, and yellow class features. I now know which encounters I need.

    Now which should I run as my off at-will? CoS or Disheartening Strike?
  • jshin#7087 jshin
    jshin#7087
         Member Posts: 24 Arc User
    Feats
    Sabo= 30 points sab+10points exe
    Scoundrel = 30 points scoundrel+10 points sab
    Executioner= 25 points exe+ 15 points sabo
    Dalies
    Whirlwind for trash, lurkers for trash or boss with no dots, courage breaker for hdps mobs/bosses, bloodbath for lostmauth.
    Passive feat advantageous position and whatever u like.
    In pve it's either duelist+disheartening or cos+disheartening.
  • magnaangemon01magnaangemon01 Member Posts: 51 Arc User
    First half of your post is confusing.

    As DF makes up 46% of my damage, I'm keeping it
  • micky1p00micky1p00 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 3,594 Arc User
    edited April 2016
    magnaangemon01 said:

    After using the test realms, and running a bit with mercedesman in-game, I've decided to stay WK. I found it easier to run for me. So now all I need, is advice for when I respec. And mainly on the feats, dailies, and yellow class features. I now know which encounters I need.



    Now which should I run as my off at-will? CoS or Disheartening Strike?

    If you are going WK, use disheartening, it's useless on trash because of the time it takes to use on each mob, using AoE encounters is much better in this case, but on the big stuff like bosses, use it first from stealth, it doesn't break stealth so you get the bonuses and the DoT will crit too. You get the debuff and then proceed with the rotation.

    CoS is uselessin PvE, imo. For both paragons. Sly has utility for MI, for trash that has lower health than DF lock.

    Also, it's a bit strange, you mostly should pick encounters / powers (rotation) that synergies with your paragon and feats, not the other way.
    It sounds like you are going lighting, scoundrel wk, a fair warning, it's dps on bosses is not close to sabo or exe.
  • magnaangemon01magnaangemon01 Member Posts: 51 Arc User
    edited April 2016
    I went exe though.

    And after my respec, my encounters will be SB, DS, and LB.
  • magnaangemon01magnaangemon01 Member Posts: 51 Arc User
    After getting ensorcelled mulhorand daggers and thunder enchant from mercedesman, and switching my silvery enchants for darks, I am doing much better. May only need to respec a little.
  • magnaangemon01magnaangemon01 Member Posts: 51 Arc User
    edited April 2016
    I can now respec, but as a wk, I'm not entirely sure what to respec.

    This is my build. And, yes, I know I should have put more points into Smoke Bomb.

    http://nwcalc.com/index.html#/tr?b=2xhq:n74zy7:9m9s:74ftu,1xi3i0i:1500000:1000000:1uu5zuv&h=0&p=wkn

    That didn't post correctly. The only thing with 4 points is Duelist's Flurry and there should be 3 points in Blade Flurry.

    My class features are First Strike and Tactics. My encounters are Smoke Bomb, Lashing Blade, and Dazing Strike. My dailies are Whirlwind of Blades and Bloodbath. And my at-wills are Duelist's Flurry and Disheartening Strike.
  • mercedesmanmercedesman Member Posts: 200 Arc User
    If you stay WK then I think I would focus on trying to get to perma CA. Make sure you put points in lurkers as this will boost your damage and refill stealth quickly. You are correct on adding some to smoke bomb and I might look at Advantageous position and oppressive darkness as options as well. In your feats consider moving some from action advantage to lucky skirmisher and twilight adept. As far as the exec path I defer to someone else who knows that area better than I do. You have a decent deflect stat for you gear and item level but you might want to consider using potions to bolster that value. Get crazy doing campaigns and getting your boons, farm for your artifact weapon (although the mulhorand will have better specs until you get your artifact weapon to epic) and strongly consider joining a larger guild that offer SH boons.
  • magnaangemon01magnaangemon01 Member Posts: 51 Arc User
    Doing a lot better now. I took executioner tree but I also took 3 things from the scoundrel tree: I took the deflection chance, life steal boost, and 10% less damage. I destroyed DS and only have trouble in RR when I get overwhelmed.
  • mercedesmanmercedesman Member Posts: 200 Arc User
    Congrats on doing better.. that is great to hear. I will have to inspect you next time I am in game. If the lightning is getting you into trouble lets work on getting you a vorpal or another enchant that will not agro more mobs than you want to fight at one time.
  • magnaangemon01magnaangemon01 Member Posts: 51 Arc User
    The lightning does get me in trouble at times, but I only died that once in RR.

    Doing better in Fiery Pit so far. Last time, it destroyed me, but this time, I'm only having minor trouble.
  • magnaangemon01magnaangemon01 Member Posts: 51 Arc User
    I just recently soloed Dread Spire. Even though the boss did almost kill me
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