Thank you for all the kind words ^^ I had fun making it and hoped I might make a few fellow players smile with me. I'd like to add some words to thought pool we have going here.
Spoiled - Those of us that have had this since very close to it's release date are, I believe, epicly spoiled by the result it produces. How dare you take my favourite toy from me, you monsters! No matter what, the refining was going to go to some artifact belt, neck, and artifact slot. The Loastmauth set will still be top DPS set bonus for PvE I believe, however it did render every other set pretty much useless if you wanted to produce damage. Diversity is a good thing. You can still refine them into whatever new artifact pieces you use, at any time. This set, was out of control, it's being reigned in. Getting angry about it is only hurting yourself as a player.
Entitled - This is a free game to play for any and all, and yet many feel that if they spend money of any kind they're entitled to the moon and all the space in between. Entitled also, to spew their opinion every where seemingly with little critical thought or forward thinking to it. As long as this set performs the way it does, only way anything become viable next to it is to perform equally or out perform. We get another long list of challenges with that. This is a small change that will have great impact. It opens up new possibilities.
Frustrated - Yes, I too share the frustration with the bait and switch that seems to have formed with this game. Look at the mount bonuses for the first couple days of mod 9 release. 200k+ power was SUPER FUN to play with. Anyone who didn't see that fix coming was VERY foolish. I happened to have two mounts that gave them to me, did I dump a bunch of AD into getting the insignias. YOU BET!! I had been saving up AD for a month before the release. And I'll tell ya, for that 600k I dropped to get those two bonuses I had a great deal of fun. They got nerfed, and we were left nice little boosts in the wake. Here to is the same, the set hasn't been working properly since day one, only difference is we got to play with it for much longer before it was reigned in. How dare you take my favourite toy YOU MONSTERS!! Learn to expect the bait and switch, get over it.
Whining - I see stupid people, they don't know they're stupid xD Everyone likes to believe they're not the stupid person, and yet everyone says they hate stupid people. Interesting.... Don't want to call anyone stupid, very rarely actually achieves anything. However it seems like whining and not thinking go hand and in hand, often. I do wish that whoever the devs have been listening to, would stop. My favourite example, when was PvP the best? Before they started paying attention to what the PvP players were WHINING FOR. It seems FINALLY to be acknowledged that tenacity might not have been the greatest idea. Perfect example of the devs giving into the whining, giving the players what they wanted. Didn't turn out real well, did it? PvE counters this by WHINING that the dungeons were to long, didn't turn out that well, did it? Learn your lesson, quit whining. There are many members in this community who provide excellent sources of info. I think most don't realise, they aren't one of these people. Maybe preview your post and ask yourself, am I whining?
Finally after my wall of text tl;dr I will finalize by saying this simply. We got F@#$ed with mod 6. I agree with this whole heartedly. Whining led to a super nerf that removed fun and challenge from the game. We've become spoiled and entittled and the consequences for it will be stunted, stopped growth of the game. WIll players blame themselves? No, they'll insult the intelligence of the devs. They are right to ignore us most of the time, just like parents are right to ignore their kids when they want ice cream for supper and gummy bears for breakfast. Do some of the changes they make frustrate me? OH YES!! But hey, they're trying to please everyone, including THEIR pay masters. The changes coming are good, and may be slow going, I'd prefer small changes made incremental on a gradient as opposed to mod 6 action and reactions occurring. Learn the lesson.
Bonk - Damage dealing machine and midnight lover of all things tasty
klangeddinMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 882Arc User
edited April 2016
Not only the nerf was needed, but for crit based dpsers, it will still be an excellent choice (if you compare it to all other sets). How many other sets can you say that will be clearly better (for crit based dpsers of course) than Lostmouth set after the change? Orcus' set? Well, that would make sense, since it comes from T2 content, not T1 like Lostmouth, but somehow I have my doubts that it will be truly much much better than Lostmouth and more likely it will be a marginal upgrade.
To be serious, I do think this is a good fix. It will effect so much, with such a small change, I hope, think, it will improve the feel of the game for all of us. So yes, it's jokes with a tiny hint of truth xD
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*bows her head with hands held high* Let it be known on this day, 7th of April in the year of 2016, Lostmauths Vengeance will be forever remembered. I applaud you with the highest of all clapping sounds in the lands! Totally love this video, brings a smile to this sad day.
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allybell123Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 21Arc User
To be serious, I do think this is a good fix. It will effect so much, with such a small change, I hope, think, it will improve the feel of the game for all of us. So yes, it's jokes with a tiny hint of truth xD
Bonk</p>
*tears of laughter and sadness" brilliant video...rip Lostmauths Set
It is a little sad on a number of levels. They left a viciously overpowered asset in the game and somehow it is YOUR fault for liking it. It just so happened that you could invest in it and the game could still rake in a bit of your time and cash. And now that they have that investment and you can't get it back, time to level the playing field and somehow it is still YOUR fault.
I am not really assigning blame as much as ceding that this is emblematic of the game. Ceveat Emptor because the game will absolutely cash in on your nature and then leave you out in the cold and when it does it will be all your fault.
Welcome to Neverwinter
^^^ So this...
While I have no problem with the nerf itself, I have a big problem with Cryptic's business practices. Make no mistake about it, this nerf is designed to maximize THEIR PROFITS and nothing else. They want to prove to their player base that this is truly about "balance"? Then offer a flat RP transfer from LM to another set. That would speak volumes about their TRUE INTENT.
As far as the you all knew it was coming eventually mentality, OPEN YOUR EYES PEOPLE. There isn't a single person out there that can honsetly say that in any other thing that would fly in your eyes.
Not only the nerf was needed, but for crit based dpsers, it will still be an excellent choice (if you compare it to all other sets). How many other sets can you say that will be clearly better (for crit based dpsers of course) than Lostmouth set after the change? Orcus' set? Well, that would make sense, since it comes from T2 content, not T1 like Lostmouth, but somehow I have my doubts that it will be truly much much better than Lostmouth and more likely it will be a marginal upgrade.
lolset procs for <2k (capped) in my case on preview, overall damage is about 3-5% on my warlock and same on GWF, but for dex/str focussed striker it will be best i guess. I would say Black-Ice-Belt 2con/2char, or a greater belt of con +4 con=4% damagebonus will perform similar or better on my warlock, c´est la vie
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plasticbatMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 12,350Arc User
1. this is not the first time. Whatever you invested, it will be obsolete. Just soon or later. At least, this time, it is not outright obsolete. 2. the "nerf" is back to what the text of the description of the set indicated all along. 3. Almost everyone knew it is coming. Just soon or later. It is either be replaced or be nerfed. Although I have 3 sets of this, I did not pay for an arm or a leg to get them. I only bought them for the price I wanted one by one with the expectation it could be nerfed next month. I did not spend millions to get them. Or, millions to feed them. 4. I did not dump what I had before. 5. I will not dump this either. 6. This does not mean I like it but it does not bother me that much although my characters will be weaker than now.
*** The game can read your mind. If you want it, you won't get it. If you don't expect to get it, you will. ***
I got this set because I was told I needed one I did not know there was something wrong with it, I did not know of any possible future nerf. I bought zen converted it to AD and got the set and upped it. I've seen tricks like this used in other games to get you to spend more money and those games are now dead, people are not stupid they know when they are getting played. If you ruin this set I paid real money for I want a refund, until then you will not get one single cent from me.
Sincerely, One of the people who pay to keep this game going for everyone.
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plasticbatMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 12,350Arc User
I got this set because I was told I needed one I did not know there was something wrong with it, I did not know of any possible future nerf. I bought zen converted it to AD and got the set and upped it. I've seen tricks like this used in other games to get you to spend more money and those games are now dead, people are not stupid they know when they are getting played. If you ruin this set I paid real money for I want a refund, until then you will not get one single cent from me.
Sincerely, One of the people who pay to keep this game going for everyone.
Good luck to find the one who told you that and the one who sold you that. Both of them were not Cryptic though. The only statement Cryptic "advertises" this set is "Do an additional hit for Weapon damage on a Critical hit". That is what it supposes to do.
*** The game can read your mind. If you want it, you won't get it. If you don't expect to get it, you will. ***
For everyone that say it is a "nerf": It is not. It is a FIX. Why? The damage scales with the buffs applied to it and other artifact set bonuses that deals an extra amount of damage doesn't do it. In fact it happens pretty often in Neverwinter that some damage abilities that shouldn't interact with buffs do it until a fix later on. In case of the Lostmauth Set the fix took a while.
Platypus wielding a giant hammer, your argument is invalild!
"It was clear from the beginning that the set was way stronger then intended. "
No, because if that were true it would have quickly come out in testing it. A full minute into testing on a character that isn't even fully optimized, just given the logical choice of high crit shows off exactly how it works. This came out and remained over several mods just as it was intended. Unless they just roll the stats and throw it on a completely un levelled character, they would have to have known exactly how powerful it was and is.
Now that they want to cash in and get people to buy the next set of gear, they just happen to want to go back and revise the current top set.
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demonmongerMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 3,350Arc User
Amen brother
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I hate paying taxes! Why must I pay thousands of dollars in taxes when everything I buy is taxed anyways!
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silverkeltMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 4,235Arc User
The only thing I find ironic.. is the set will be slightly less better then the average of orcus on some classes..
you know.. just saying.
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revan06100Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 205Arc User
edited April 2016
I support the change, but the thing is, they could have done this ages ago, just like fixing the orcus, wich is, far beyond exploit, but still, Losmauth set never worked as intented and they never tried fixing it because it was "OP", but not beyond reason. Second thing i'm always disappointed with, Removing things, nerf things, but never actually bring something alternative wise to the game. Removing coal from tarma, removing AD from leadership, and nothing proposed to compensate for these choices. I understand you guys need to regulate the game and handle the bad things happening, but when you make decisions, you need to come up with something, replacing is better than deleting...
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plasticbatMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 12,350Arc User
To all of you who are OK with this nerf... Don't pretend to be morally superior than the rest because "you knew, we all knew"... You are either so gullible or you are already 4+ IL GWF so hit in LM won't be that big of a deal OR you are sitting on tons of RP material so you simply do not care. I'm not talking about is it OP or isn't it (IT IS) problem is time, RP and regents invested. We will get 80% back... 80% meaning 1.something million of RP will be taken from me if I decide to change to something else. Plus marks needed to level it and, most importantly 10$ coalescent or stack of 50 or so preservation wards... It is OP and it is huuuuge ripoff mainly because it will be replaced with equally OP and broken orcus set which will be fixed on this day a year from now...
You understand even without this nerf, with the progress of this game, the set will eventually be obsolete just like many great sets before this, right? I forgot how many times that happened already. It is always invest, obsolete, invest, obsolete, invest, .... At least, this time, it is not outright obsolete.
*** The game can read your mind. If you want it, you won't get it. If you don't expect to get it, you will. ***
So the changes happened, it's interesting to watch the changes coming in. Many players adjusting amazingly fast! I still think this was a fix for the best as there's so many possibilities and different pathways now.
Also, shameless use of one of my threads in general discussion to promote another video I made!!
I support the change, but the thing is, they could have done this ages ago, just like fixing the orcus, wich is, far beyond exploit, but still, Losmauth set never worked as intented and they never tried fixing it because it was "OP", but not beyond reason. Second thing i'm always disappointed with, Removing things, nerf things, but never actually bring something alternative wise to the game. Removing coal from tarma, removing AD from leadership, and nothing proposed to compensate for these choices. I understand you guys need to regulate the game and handle the bad things happening, but when you make decisions, you need to come up with something, replacing is better than deleting...
1. They fixed it, before. A few weeks after release, they changed the fact, that it proced from dots. 2. The description does xy dmg is the same for fixed or base dmg. The effect can be buffed dmg or fixed dmg. To claim otherwise is wrong, too. 3. If a set gets inroduced by Devs, nerfed by Devs, stays the same for years and gets changed, I call it a nerf and not a fix. They might have a reason for it, but it is still a nerf. 4. Nice thing, to offer an vendor, that does not work for ppl with augmented gear, what a surprise. 5. Last but not least, the only difference is, that it takes casual players more time to complete an dungeon or they fail now. Run anything with a decent group of buff/debuff and DDs and bosses will still die in seconds.
Chars: CW, DC, GF, GWF, HR and TR.
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demonmongerMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 3,350Arc User
Reading the above comment makes me not want to buy another pc just to come back to this game
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I hate paying taxes! Why must I pay thousands of dollars in taxes when everything I buy is taxed anyways!
I'm happy it happened, I have two sets in my inventory now instead one for every occasion. This was a correct step in the right direction if you ask me.
I may not be considered by most the BEST PVP Warlock on the server but, I am the most HATED amongst them.
Comments
Spoiled - Those of us that have had this since very close to it's release date are, I believe, epicly spoiled by the result it produces. How dare you take my favourite toy from me, you monsters! No matter what, the refining was going to go to some artifact belt, neck, and artifact slot. The Loastmauth set will still be top DPS set bonus for PvE I believe, however it did render every other set pretty much useless if you wanted to produce damage. Diversity is a good thing. You can still refine them into whatever new artifact pieces you use, at any time. This set, was out of control, it's being reigned in. Getting angry about it is only hurting yourself as a player.
Entitled - This is a free game to play for any and all, and yet many feel that if they spend money of any kind they're entitled to the moon and all the space in between. Entitled also, to spew their opinion every where seemingly with little critical thought or forward thinking to it. As long as this set performs the way it does, only way anything become viable next to it is to perform equally or out perform. We get another long list of challenges with that. This is a small change that will have great impact. It opens up new possibilities.
Frustrated - Yes, I too share the frustration with the bait and switch that seems to have formed with this game. Look at the mount bonuses for the first couple days of mod 9 release. 200k+ power was SUPER FUN to play with. Anyone who didn't see that fix coming was VERY foolish. I happened to have two mounts that gave them to me, did I dump a bunch of AD into getting the insignias. YOU BET!! I had been saving up AD for a month before the release. And I'll tell ya, for that 600k I dropped to get those two bonuses I had a great deal of fun. They got nerfed, and we were left nice little boosts in the wake. Here to is the same, the set hasn't been working properly since day one, only difference is we got to play with it for much longer before it was reigned in. How dare you take my favourite toy YOU MONSTERS!! Learn to expect the bait and switch, get over it.
Whining - I see stupid people, they don't know they're stupid xD Everyone likes to believe they're not the stupid person, and yet everyone says they hate stupid people. Interesting.... Don't want to call anyone stupid, very rarely actually achieves anything. However it seems like whining and not thinking go hand and in hand, often. I do wish that whoever the devs have been listening to, would stop. My favourite example, when was PvP the best? Before they started paying attention to what the PvP players were WHINING FOR. It seems FINALLY to be acknowledged that tenacity might not have been the greatest idea. Perfect example of the devs giving into the whining, giving the players what they wanted. Didn't turn out real well, did it? PvE counters this by WHINING that the dungeons were to long, didn't turn out that well, did it? Learn your lesson, quit whining. There are many members in this community who provide excellent sources of info. I think most don't realise, they aren't one of these people. Maybe preview your post and ask yourself, am I whining?
Finally after my wall of text tl;dr I will finalize by saying this simply. We got F@#$ed with mod 6. I agree with this whole heartedly. Whining led to a super nerf that removed fun and challenge from the game. We've become spoiled and entittled and the consequences for it will be stunted, stopped growth of the game. WIll players blame themselves? No, they'll insult the intelligence of the devs. They are right to ignore us most of the time, just like parents are right to ignore their kids when they want ice cream for supper and gummy bears for breakfast. Do some of the changes they make frustrate me? OH YES!! But hey, they're trying to please everyone, including THEIR pay masters. The changes coming are good, and may be slow going, I'd prefer small changes made incremental on a gradient as opposed to mod 6 action and reactions occurring. Learn the lesson.
The first inner look at majesty - https://youtu.be/8Yavk790hMA
The second build and some fun - https://youtu.be/b5U0H-Mdkxg
A little update - https://youtu.be/0F-qUKOv4UU
The thread where this can be found - http://www.arcgames.com/en/forums/neverwinter/#/discussion/1210188/bonk-a-tale-of-damage
How many other sets can you say that will be clearly better (for crit based dpsers of course) than Lostmouth set after the change? Orcus' set? Well, that would make sense, since it comes from T2 content, not T1 like Lostmouth, but somehow I have my doubts that it will be truly much much better than Lostmouth and more likely it will be a marginal upgrade.
Let it be known on this day, 7th of April in the year of 2016, Lostmauths Vengeance will be forever remembered.
I applaud you with the highest of all clapping sounds in the lands! Totally love this video, brings a smile to this sad day.
It is a little sad on a number of levels. They left a viciously overpowered asset in the game and somehow it is YOUR fault for liking it. It just so happened that you could invest in it and the game could still rake in a bit of your time and cash. And now that they have that investment and you can't get it back, time to level the playing field and somehow it is still YOUR fault.
I am not really assigning blame as much as ceding that this is emblematic of the game. Ceveat Emptor because the game will absolutely cash in on your nature and then leave you out in the cold and when it does it will be all your fault.
Welcome to Neverwinter
^^^ So this...
While I have no problem with the nerf itself, I have a big problem with Cryptic's business practices. Make no mistake about it, this nerf is designed to maximize THEIR PROFITS and nothing else. They want to prove to their player base that this is truly about "balance"? Then offer a flat RP transfer from LM to another set. That would speak volumes about their TRUE INTENT.
As far as the you all knew it was coming eventually mentality, OPEN YOUR EYES PEOPLE. There isn't a single person out there that can honsetly say that in any other thing that would fly in your eyes.
I would say Black-Ice-Belt 2con/2char, or a greater belt of con +4 con=4% damagebonus will perform similar or better on my warlock, c´est la vie
2. the "nerf" is back to what the text of the description of the set indicated all along.
3. Almost everyone knew it is coming. Just soon or later. It is either be replaced or be nerfed. Although I have 3 sets of this, I did not pay for an arm or a leg to get them. I only bought them for the price I wanted one by one with the expectation it could be nerfed next month. I did not spend millions to get them. Or, millions to feed them.
4. I did not dump what I had before.
5. I will not dump this either.
6. This does not mean I like it but it does not bother me that much although my characters will be weaker than now.
Sincerely, One of the people who pay to keep this game going for everyone.
The only statement Cryptic "advertises" this set is "Do an additional hit for Weapon damage on a Critical hit".
That is what it supposes to do.
It is a FIX. Why? The damage scales with the buffs applied to it and other artifact set bonuses that deals an extra amount of damage doesn't do it.
In fact it happens pretty often in Neverwinter that some damage abilities that shouldn't interact with buffs do it until a fix later on.
In case of the Lostmauth Set the fix took a while.
No, because if that were true it would have quickly come out in testing it. A full minute into testing on a character that isn't even fully optimized, just given the logical choice of high crit shows off exactly how it works. This came out and remained over several mods just as it was intended. Unless they just roll the stats and throw it on a completely un levelled character, they would have to have known exactly how powerful it was and is.
Now that they want to cash in and get people to buy the next set of gear, they just happen to want to go back and revise the current top set.
you know.. just saying.
Second thing i'm always disappointed with, Removing things, nerf things, but never actually bring something alternative wise to the game.
Removing coal from tarma, removing AD from leadership, and nothing proposed to compensate for these choices.
I understand you guys need to regulate the game and handle the bad things happening, but when you make decisions, you need to come up with something, replacing is better than deleting...
Oh wait they are letting you exchange your Lostmauth set for another set? I assume the apologies in this thread will be forthcoming...
Sci-fi author: The Gods We Make, The Gods We Seek, and Ji-min
Also, shameless use of one of my threads in general discussion to promote another video I made!!
http://www.arcgames.com/en/forums/neverwinter/#/discussion/1215623/i-wanted-to-be-a-wtf
The first inner look at majesty - https://youtu.be/8Yavk790hMA
The second build and some fun - https://youtu.be/b5U0H-Mdkxg
A little update - https://youtu.be/0F-qUKOv4UU
The thread where this can be found - http://www.arcgames.com/en/forums/neverwinter/#/discussion/1210188/bonk-a-tale-of-damage
2. The description does xy dmg is the same for fixed or base dmg. The effect can be buffed dmg or fixed dmg. To claim otherwise is wrong, too.
3. If a set gets inroduced by Devs, nerfed by Devs, stays the same for years and gets changed, I call it a nerf and not a fix. They might have a reason for it, but it is still a nerf.
4. Nice thing, to offer an vendor, that does not work for ppl with augmented gear, what a surprise.
5. Last but not least, the only difference is, that it takes casual players more time to complete an dungeon or they fail now. Run anything with a decent group of buff/debuff and DDs and bosses will still die in seconds.
-Kymos