buff trs in pve

txgremlinxt

im a 3900 tr i get beat in dps by gwf, scourge and there under 3000. im tired of being beatin by lower level toons (buff trs or debuff gwf) pve only i dont care about pvp rouges

txgremlinxt

It's just upsetting after all the time and money Iv invested into my tR and be out damaged by someone in low level gear just because there class was made better.

raymond00713

You need some buffs. Yeah..

To add to your post, usually just the 3.5k and above that are well played can beat mine but there's little difference in my offense stats compared to when i was 3.5k. Just fluff like defense enchants and higher dragon hoards. I dunno tho, we have stuns, stealth.. all that stuff. Should they get those, too? To even the playing field?

amafia313

Why do we worry about getting out dps'd? Its a team game. As a high item lvl character you should be glad someone is doing more dmg than you. It clears content faster. Also says that others on your team know how to play their characters. Just look at it as a team game bro. Forget about your ego, you gotta see the bigger picture.

armadeonx

The only thing I find unfair is that the GWF and SW have big crit severity increases in their feats - this gives them a serious advantage over the other DPS classes.

You can't even argue it's because the others are AOE based - both the GWF and SW have very good multi-target encounters.

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missdayum

txgremlinxt said:

im a 3900 tr i get beat in dps by gwf, scourge and there under 3000. im tired of being beatin by lower level toons (buff trs or debuff gwf) pve only i dont care about pvp rouges

Dude ITEM LEVEL means not much I can tell you that, hell you can even be a 4000+ player and can easily be beaten. I'm pretty sure you are not using any striker companions with bonding runestones correct?

Best example I witnessed lately:

Regular Demogorgon, a TR with an item-level of 2764, he was using a striker companion with 3x rank 12 bonding stones and his stats for power/critical/armor penetration were all 30000+/5000+/5000+ not more. In pase 2 und 3 Demogorgon went down in less than 15 seconds I kit you not and this dude was top of the damage board go figure.

In short, it's not a question of buffs, rather a question whether you use a striker companion or any other.

drisszt

If the TR just had the crit severity feat I'd be very happy. I'm around 3900ish item level, and I know I can't compete with some SW and GWF. They don't need too much of a buff, but the fact that we can't reach the crit severity levels of other classes is very annoying.

firepats12

As someone else mentioned, get a striker with high level bondings. Then unless the other classes have the same thing, it will be hard for them to touch your DPS. My gf out DPS'd a 3200IL GWF in ELOL the other day. The GWF was still using a Stone with rando runestones. She was on my old TR 2800 IL, but with a mercenary companion with rank 11 bondings. She beat the GWF DPS by 10mill or so.

Then again, Item Level does not mean too much if anything. It's all about how you play, and whether you have the best companion.

armadeonx

True, well built easily beats a high IL with poor gear choices, but when you put 2 equally geared players next to each other (say a TR and GWF) then the GWF wins easily.

To my mind the different DPS classes should all have an area where they excel, be it enemy groups, single target, bosses etc and the play styles should be the big differentiator.

We all know the GWF is the current best simply because it used to be the worst - and when Cryptic decide the buff/nerf anything they always go too far.

firepats12

Well with the new changes coming, the only viable DPS class is going to be HR. GWF is going to be MOD5 again (so it'll be laughable), CW/SW is going to be a$$, TR is already nerfed to the ground this makes them unplayable. So it won't matter about any of this because everyone is going to be posting about buffing every other DPS class lol

raymond00713

You have zero idea what you're talking about, firewhatever. TRs are not unplayable, in either mode. SWs suffer the least from lostmauth nerf and will still come out on top.

firepats12

@raymond00713 First off, it's firepats12, I guess you can not read. Second, TR's in PvE are useless. My main is/was a TR that's how I know. I got my TR up to about 2.9-3.2k IL with all the appropriate stats/companions etc. And was consistently getting out DPS by a lot lower people. And with the nerf to the Lostmauth set (Which is what I was referencing, which you clearly did not understand) it will balance the overall damage of DPS classes, but the TR will still be at the bottom.

And the SW will not be at the top unless they are using broken cheat mechanic. They will be behind GWF, HR, and proper CW's

raymond00713

Thats because you have no idea what you're doing. You say "appropriate" but you obviously have no clue what "appropriate" is or you wouldn't be getting beat. There's no broken cheat mechanic that makes truly strong sws strong. You repeat this again and again, and again, you have no idea what you're talking about.

firepats12

Ok, whatever you say. Clearly others agree that TR is almost unplayable...HENCE THE THREAD YOU ARE COMMENTING ON. But clearly you can not read anything.

ironzerg79

Please keep this on topic. There's no need to insult other players. If you don't have anything constructive to add to the discussion, please refrain from commenting.

armadeonx

I'm now glad I have a CW, TR, GWF & SW. I'm just waiting to see what real differences the set nerf brings so I can put all my effort into whichever class benefits the most (or suffers the least...).

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thefiresidecat

amafia313 said:

Why do we worry about getting out dps'd? Its a team game. As a high item lvl character you should be glad someone is doing more dmg than you. It clears content faster. Also says that others on your team know how to play their characters. Just look at it as a team game bro. Forget about your ego, you gotta see the bigger picture.

+5 I wish more people looked at it this way. the aggro you encounter in a game like this is just weird.

baggdaudi

Tricksters are one of the best classes in the game. Nobody knows how to build them. Every one does high crit build, but it doesn't work for rogues. High power and recovery is the way to go with 3 rank12 bondings on a mercenary companion. It's not about item level it's about the build.

respectpays

I can beat a lot people under my item level I use a striker and my builds not on net which is kinda funny id say gwf is the only class that can really beat me and its only by 8-10m so id say tr would need a buff by 15% I lose to a sw to if theirs a haste tt is just so broken it makes me want to cry

armadeonx

Well, the Lostmauth nerf will hit GWF's hard & the haste nerf will fix some of that SW issue you have The LM nerf will also reduce SW spark generation.

I run all 3 so I'm quite interested to see how it all works out.

respectpays

new dread enchants will break it again sadly sw/cw/and hr/s are ran off encounters that's their dps even after lm set gets nerfed other classes will still have biggiest adv over tr's

batdriven

I'm also a 4k rogue and GWFs and warlocks under 3k can beat me in damage.
I'm guessing this is mostly caused by lostmauth-set and bonding runestones. Both things will get fixed in the future, so hang in there, observe and wait. your time will come again

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sundance777

I run a TR as my main and about the only thing that will out DPS me is a GWF with about the same IL. There is a need to stack more power than I originally thought, I currently have a bit more crit and less power than I would like, I am in the process of shifting crit to power and building up the bondings. The results are very good so far.

I am at 3.4K and a GWF seems to only need to be around 3.1K IL to out dps me. A well built GWF at the same IL still does close to double my damage, which seems to be just a fact of the class. One benefit of the TR is being able to survive in places where others might not, the stealth, rolls and agro reduction keep us from being a target and there are several times where I am the last one standing in a boss fight. Every class has it's pluses and minus, just take advantage of the mechanics in your class of choice.

pursesnatch

If anyone needs help with a TR build, don't be shy to hit me up. My in game tag is Albino Dino, and my GT is Purse Snatch. I put my rogue against any class in dps.

firepats12

pursesnatch#2217 said:

I put my rogue against any class in dps.

As nice and confident as you may be in your TR, which I'm sure is awesome, it is virtually impossible for you (and ANY TR) to out DPS a GWF with the same gear and companion (with bondings). But way to keep your spirits up.

Edit: This just pertains to right now, in-game, on Xbox version.

pursesnatch

Firepats, I guess you just need to send that invite over so you can see for yourself. I make GWF and SW question their builds, and now with the new update to ELOL set they have no chance. Can you say Mod 5? Cheers

armadeonx

hey @pursesnatch#2217 Would I be right in thinking executioner path plus vorpal for weapon is the way to go? I really like my TR but I do need to invest more in getting him specced. I prefer the mechanics/play style to GWF. What do you think of running the DC sigil for fast Daily recharge?