Careful Attack - What's going on here?

soonergm

So according to PC players with ACT, careful attack is capable of some incredibly high damage numbers. Of course we only have the worthless log to look at on XB1, but the thing is I don't see much damage coming from CA in the logs. I only see it hitting here and there for like 1900. I check the log during something like edemo or dragon flight.

Thoughts?

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rhadamathys

Careful attack applies damage every second to second and a half. The damage it applies is aggregated by how much damage the target took during that time. Then aots, CSev, master trapper, etc are applied (if they were active when you applied the ca)...it's your best power against single mobs in a group setting...I use it all the time and have seen 1.6-2.2m ticks of it in well of dragons

wdj40

soonergm said:

So according to PC players with ACT, careful attack is capable of some incredibly high damage numbers. Of course we only have the worthless log to look at on XB1, but the thing is I don't see much damage coming from CA in the logs. I only see it hitting here and there for like 1900. I check the log during something like edemo or dragon flight.



Thoughts?

I can get mine to hit for up to 15k (although Lostmauth is included in that figure I think).

Try to maximise every single buff you can to hit with that 1st Careful Attack you apply.
So :
Fire on Wheel of Elements
2 stacks of Melee AtoS
Deft Strike
Master Trapper
Agile Combatant
3-6 stacks of Companions Gift (I highly recommend Ring of Brutality +4 or +5 on a Companion for that 1st 8 seconds plus it actives when resurrected)
Feytouched if you have it or other Buff/Debuff Weapon Enhancement
Finally Longstrider's Shot as the last Ranged power before switching to Melee

I`m probably forgetting some buffs in there but just hope and prey for a Crit... If you have a Mythic Wheel it has a 60 second cool down, so you can apply 2 Careful Attacks in that time in a long fight like a boss. The 2nd Careful Attack applied probably will not be as powerful in mid-battle but it still hits like a truck if you get as many of those buffs in as possible. While Careful Attack is up it is not worth applying another one due to the AtoS stacks being effected.

You can generally tell when your Careful Attack is down by looking at the buff bar, if you have 2 stacks of Melee AtoS in there it is very likely CA has expired. If you get timings down every 2 Careful Attacks should have the Fire Wheel activated just before using it. Longstriders buffs CA up by a very large amount I noticed whilst hitting dummies.

soonergm

Last night I hit up the heralds in WoD... careful attack blew up my logs and the dragons. I dont know what else happened because my entire back log was all careful attack procs.

wdj40

soonergm said:

Last night I hit up the heralds in WoD... careful attack blew up my logs and the dragons. I dont know what else happened because my entire back log was all careful attack procs.

And here lies the problem in determining what exactly increases it, interacts with it and what in fact does the most damage when used in combination of other powers.

PC guys with ACT would be able, after testing, to say how to use it to best effect with everything else. We have to go by pure time played and just staring at numbers numbers numbers numbers numbers lol.

ralexinor

I'm pretty sure there's at least a few topics in the PC forums about CA, which you could find if you went through it and I know you go through the PC forums a bit @wdj40.

But apparently since no one googled/it didn't appear in google, your answer is here:

http://www.arcgames.com/en/forums/neverwinter#/discussion/548324/list-of-mod-5-preview-hr-bugs/p1

Top of first post, you're welcome. Also you don't need ACT to see this, I didn't use ACT to figure that out. As an additional note, CA damage is not determined by when you apply it, that only determines whether it is a crit or not; every hit of CA is affected by your current debuffs/buffs and the debuffs/buffs on the targets. If you do not crit, in both PvP and PvE, you should always be trying to reapply CA because you lose out on so much DPS without a crit CA. CA builds a stack of serpent every time you apply it and also whenever it procs.

Funnily enough pretty much all those bugs are still there despite being discovered and reported more than half a year ago.

soonergm

@ralexinor thank you

wdj40

ralexinor said:

I'm pretty sure there's at least a few topics in the PC forums about CA, which you could find if you went through it and I know you go through the PC forums a bit @wdj40.

But apparently since no one googled/it didn't appear in google, your answer is here:

http://www.arcgames.com/en/forums/neverwinter#/discussion/548324/list-of-mod-5-preview-hr-bugs/p1

Top of first post, you're welcome. Also you don't need ACT to see this, I didn't use ACT to figure that out. As an additional note, CA damage is not determined by when you apply it, that only determines whether it is a crit or not; every hit of CA is affected by your current debuffs/buffs and the debuffs/buffs on the targets. If you do not crit, in both PvP and PvE, you should always be trying to reapply CA because you lose out on so much DPS without a crit CA. CA builds a stack of serpent every time you apply it and also whenever it procs.

Funnily enough pretty much all those bugs are still there despite being discovered and reported more than half a year ago.

Thank you again for the link ralexinor I have seen you post that before. I would just like to say though that thread was last edited back in June 2015 and the last post on there October 2015.

That is a very long time ago and I`d like to see someone actually test them all again and maybe update the thread. For me it is slightly too old to use reliably now, I think some of those bugs are not in the game any more but some still are for sure.

ralexinor

I was the one who made that thread. As far as I'm aware, none of the issues have been fixed.

wdj40

ralexinor said:

I was the one who made that thread. As far as I'm aware, none of the issues have been fixed.

I`m glad you posted in this thread though, I was actually under the assumption that Careful Attack hits and then declines in strength with each tick, although I never posted my thoughts.

This is probably due to when I was testing I applied it in it a rotation then just watched it. A decline in numbers is what I was seeing but that was, as you say, due to my buffs wearing off.

rhadamathys

Nice so we can multi proc master trapper ...