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silence1xsilence1x Member Posts: 1,503 Arc User
Hey folks,
I'm leveling up my SW to 70 (at 66 currently) and I still have the free respec. I stopped playing the SW for quite a while so I'm wondering if I should stay as a Hellbringer Fury spec until I get around 3K iLvl or should I go Soulbinder Fury? I don't really have any outstanding gear or specs to speak of yet. I'm curious since the meta used to be Hell Fury but I see so many SB builds and posts now.

Thanks for any assistance.
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  • fizbadfizbad Member Posts: 202 Arc User
    silence1x said:

    Hey folks,
    I'm leveling up my SW to 70 (at 66 currently) and I still have the free respec. I stopped playing the SW for quite a while so I'm wondering if I should stay as a Hellbringer Fury spec until I get around 3K iLvl or should I go Soulbinder Fury? I don't really have any outstanding gear or specs to speak of yet. I'm curious since the meta used to be Hell Fury but I see so many SB builds and posts now.

    Thanks for any assistance.

    I'd wait until they finish SW redesign -- first, the paragon balance may change, and second, in the case of a substantial redesign, you might be able to save your current respec ;)

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  • xxwhiskeyjackxxxxwhiskeyjackxx Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    So I recently started playing again and picked up my hellbringer/fury sw from way back when. I haven't been super impressed with my dps, so I have been looking into respeccing. If they are doing a rework on the SW I will probably hold off on that, is there any eta on when that might be? Couldn't find info on it when I searched for it
  • gomok72gomok72 Member Posts: 616 Arc User
    edited March 2016
    silence1x said:

    Hey folks,
    I'm leveling up my SW to 70 (at 66 currently) and I still have the free respec. I stopped playing the SW for quite a while so I'm wondering if I should stay as a Hellbringer Fury spec until I get around 3K iLvl or should I go Soulbinder Fury? I don't really have any outstanding gear or specs to speak of yet. I'm curious since the meta used to be Hell Fury but I see so many SB builds and posts now.

    Thanks for any assistance.

    Well, to answer your question if you are running with a group all the time and have decent boons and like having actual fun in PvE with the SW, then run Hellbringer.

    Hellbringer is not viable for end game PvP, you will be one shotted by GWFs, get frustrated and either delete or roll another class.

    If you solo a lot, run PvP a lot then run SB. I love the healing of SB and the innate buffs that the Sparks give, but hate that I am pigeon holed into it. You have better survivability and damage overall. I have built my Warlock around fighting GWFs like Wammy and Icyphish in PvP as a Fury lock (Tried damnation and was still getting one shotted by them).

    Also, just be aware, this class will not be the same class once the devs are finished with all of the changes, it may be more HAMSTER than what it is or a lot better, depends on what class the devs are playing.
    I may not be considered by most the BEST PVP Warlock on the server but, I am the most HATED amongst them.

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  • taitinhakkaajataitinhakkaaja Member Posts: 410 Arc User
    It's been a year now for a soon to be happen sw balance fix. Only one thing is certain, this major fix ain't gonna happen any time soon... If at all.
    So that said, you are gonna be very frustrated in pvp with low geared sw. So buying enchantments is maybe the wise choice -> you can use them with your alts (if you have any)
  • silence1xsilence1x Member Posts: 1,503 Arc User
    Great info folks. I guess, at least for now, I'll continue getting him to 70 and run with Guildies as is. Hopefully, people way smarter than me will figure stuff out when the SW changes come around.

    I appreciate the replies.

    Thanks
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  • silence1xsilence1x Member Posts: 1,503 Arc User

    To me Soulbinder is far better, Hellbringer need to be mastered and it's a pain to level up with it.

    True - it was a pain to level. I just don't want to use the respec now and find in a few weeks that they've made "good" changes to the HB path.

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  • fizbadfizbad Member Posts: 202 Arc User

    Only one thing is certain, this major fix ain't gonna happen any time soon...

    In fact, based on recent dev chats, I expect it to happen before the end of 2016.

  • taitinhakkaajataitinhakkaaja Member Posts: 410 Arc User
    I really hate to be pessimist, but when mod 6 launched devs promised to fix sw soon. So as we know we haven't seen anything yet.
    Devs will be very busy with mod9 now and after release they will be very busy to fix major bugs that mod9 will bring.
    I really hope they will fix sw this year, but there is so many issues in game right now that needs to be fixed.
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  • silence1xsilence1x Member Posts: 1,503 Arc User
    FYI - I took a baby step and switched from fury to damnation (but still Hellbringer) whilst I climb the iLvl ladder to 3K or so. I'm currently at 2500. My next quandary is whether I should be concentrating on crit/arm pen gear and using a dual enchant like Cruel for Power and Recovery (spam KF and DT) or using gear that has power/reco and stacking savage enchants for the crit/arm pen.

    Thoughts?

    NOTE: Many thanks to @pharess11 for his excellent explanations and help with the respec,
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  • schietindebuxschietindebux Member Posts: 4,292 Arc User
    edited March 2016
    Fury damnation can do pretty good in some dungeons, because the puppet gets higher buffs.
    Crit is allways a good choice imo as long as you are not at cap. Never played HB damnation only HB fury.
    Arp/RI is caped at 60% in PVE and as some other mentioned before get crit as high as you can.
    What are your encounterpower? I assume trash: TT+WB+HG+DT and WB+HG+KF on bosses?
    NPNM+FoE as classfeature?
    Or did you ever get pillar of power 16% damage boost effectively running?
    in the end..with small exceptions..every SB should outdamage you
  • silence1xsilence1x Member Posts: 1,503 Arc User

    Fury damnation can do pretty good in some dungeons, because the puppet gets higher buffs.
    Crit is allways a good choice imo as long as you are not at cap. Never played HB damnation only HB fury.
    Arp/RI is caped at 60% in PVE and as some other mentioned before get crit as high as you can.
    What are your encounterpower? I assume trash: TT+WB+HG+DT and WB+HG+KF on bosses?
    NPNM+FoE as classfeature?
    Or did you ever get pillar of power 16% damage boost effectively running?
    in the end..with small exceptions..every SB should outdamage you

    Yes for encounter powers and class features. No on pillar, I've tried but can't quite seem to get it to work properly. My RI is currently at 57% but I know I need to get it to at least 60%. My crit is at 40%.

    One note - I do have an SB Damnation but she's level 64; waiting for next x2 XP so I can get her to 70. Even at 64, she rarely dies and does respectable damage.

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  • fernuufernuu Member Posts: 453 Arc User
    edited March 2016
    Recovery isn't that great for SW if you're counting on lowering encounters cooldown - those are pretty damn high anyway even with high recovery (and I'm keeping in mind that you're 2.5k ilvl).
    In my opinion better option would be to stack power/crit for better dps outcome. The only valuable thing you get from Recovery is Action Points generation (and yeah, it is worth it, but look at later Gatekeeper's comment). So I would focus on dual enchantments... but brutals actually, and stacking as much Recovery from gear/enchants/companion as you can.

    And basicly yeah - on developers mind HB should do more damage than SB... but it doesn't :( I'm not even talking about Soul Scorch which is great but basicly all the buffs - NPNM can be easily replaced with right positioning (well, hard to do in solo without summoned companion).
    Same with Gatekeeper's Empowerment - Burning Soul give more buff and you don't have to sacrifice your Daily to keep it going (well, you need to work on spending sparks, but TT is huge part of our damage in PvE).

    I believe I stated all those 'notices' in some of topic/pool created by @kolatmaster but I couldn't find it now :(

    Anyway - that post might be kinda chaotic - Easter time, I'm sick for 4 days but I wanted to put my few words into further discussion :)
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  • silence1xsilence1x Member Posts: 1,503 Arc User
    Thanks fernu. much appreciated.
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  • armadeonxarmadeonx Member Posts: 4,952 Arc User
    Hey guys. I've just got a new SW to L70 (Damnation tree) & I have to say I'm loving it - but someone was saying in guild chat that he's hearing there's a nerf to soul puppets coming.

    I'm wondering if it's just idle speculation/gossip? I'm really enjoying the class & a big nerf would be soooo disappointing!
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  • phoenix1021phoenix1021 Member Posts: 532 Arc User
    There's some weird interaction between the puppet and group buffs that causes it to deal tons of damage. That might or might not be fixed in the future.
  • silence1xsilence1x Member Posts: 1,503 Arc User
    UPDATE: Getting closer to 3K - 2969. I can smell 3K now :) Still hellbringer.

    Fernu - it was a joy watching you in eDemo the other night. You give me hope!
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  • mrshabokmrshabok Member Posts: 210 Arc User
    To everyone who is building their warlocks based upon a rumored change or nerf: don't. You'll stress yourself out overthinking things. There is nothing coming anytime soon. Maybe a year from now. Maybe. Right now asking for changes to the SW is pissing into the wind. If you want to max DPS then go Soulbinder Fury or Damnation. Other than that just have fun with it and don't worry about nerf rumors :)
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  • ghoulz66ghoulz66 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 3,748 Arc User
    silence1x said:

    UPDATE: Getting closer to 3K - 2969. I can smell 3K now :) Still hellbringer.

    Fernu - it was a joy watching you in eDemo the other night. You give me hope!

    My hope fell into the toilet, as I hate and don't use the boring killing/murderous flames power.
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