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reds351reds351 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 343 Arc User
edited February 2016 in General Discussion (PC)
According to the latest media release

"one of our guidelines for putting items into in-game stores is to never allow that exact item to also exist in the Zen Market."

http://www.arcgames.com/en/forums/neverwinter/#/discussion/1212047/update-on-the-trade-bar-store-xbox-one

Does this mean they will be removing Coal wards from the PC trade bar store
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  • ghoulz66ghoulz66 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 3,748 Arc User

    We did not have the several months to horde TBs that Xbox had. We were kept in the dark at what would even be in the store. Releasing Coal Wards into an economy where players have tens of thousands of TBs would have been a mistake anyway, IMO. But they may pull them from the Zen Store as they did with fashion and dyes.

    It might not be a cash grab attempt, but as usual they handled it very poorly and will end up losing players and customers. Reworks should also come with solutions right off the bat so people breathe easy and don't rage/panic.
  • plasticbatplasticbat Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 12,456 Arc User
    reds351 said:

    According to the latest media release

    "one of our guidelines for putting items into in-game stores is to never allow that exact item to also exist in the Zen Market."

    http://www.arcgames.com/en/forums/neverwinter/#/discussion/1212047/update-on-the-trade-bar-store-xbox-one

    Does this mean they will be removing Coal wards from the PC trade bar store

    That is a kind of bogus statement as the post itself admitted they have been doing that even before the T-Bar reform.
    Also, "never allow that exact item to also exist in the Zen Market" should be interpreted as "that exact item should not exist in Zen Market" instead of should not exist in the in-game stores.
    *** The game can read your mind. If you want it, you won't get it. If you don't expect to get it, you will. ***
  • yokki1yokki1 Member Posts: 451 Arc User
    ghoulz66 said:

    We did not have the several months to horde TBs that Xbox had. We were kept in the dark at what would even be in the store. Releasing Coal Wards into an economy where players have tens of thousands of TBs would have been a mistake anyway, IMO. But they may pull them from the Zen Store as they did with fashion and dyes.

    It might not be a cash grab attempt, but as usual they handled it very poorly and will end up losing players and customers. Reworks should also come with solutions right off the bat so people breathe easy and don't rage/panic.
    every time i read that it might not be a cash grab attempt. how many "might"s make a "it sure is"?
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  • instynctiveinstynctive Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,885 Arc User
    Regardless.. I think this is a fair question... although, I have honestly never purchased any of the Wards.. I collect them through invoking.

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  • santralafaxsantralafax Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 2,896 Arc User
    edited February 2016

    probably it will be removed from the zen store, anyway, id anyone EVER buy a coal ward for 10 bucks???

    'nuff said. Take it away! (I blew too many $10s-1000 zen on those things!) I think I've gotten 2-3 through invoking in 1.5 years.
  • plasticbatplasticbat Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 12,456 Arc User

    probably it will be removed from the zen store, anyway, id anyone EVER buy a coal ward for 10 bucks???

    I doubt it will be removed from the zen store. If they "have to" enforce that guideline, they will remove it from t-bar store like xbox.
    *** The game can read your mind. If you want it, you won't get it. If you don't expect to get it, you will. ***
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  • rayrdanrayrdan Member Posts: 5,410 Arc User
    i was sure this wouldt last much, they will be removed
  • silverkeltsilverkelt Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 4,235 Arc User
    they will buy it with ad.. once they pull it from the tbar store.. I ah

    probably it will be removed from the zen store, anyway, id anyone EVER buy a coal ward for 10 bucks???

    I doubt it will be removed from the zen store. If they "have to" enforce that guideline, they will remove it from t-bar store like xbox.
    I will agree that would be the logical step for them.. I wouldnt appreciate it.. considering the reason I went vip was to get access to more cwards.

  • zibadawazibadawa Member Posts: 1,266 Arc User
    First, they came for our leadership AD, and I did not care. Then, they came for our Bind on Equip, and I still didn't care. But then they came for the XBox's coal wards, and holy heck is it fun to watch a company commit suicide via stupidity! "Well, now that we've stabbed ourselves in the foot, we should fix things by shooting ourselves in the face." Is there some sort of Virtual Darwin Awards?
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  • rayrdanrayrdan Member Posts: 5,410 Arc User
    edited February 2016

    NW Xbox and NW PC are 2 different games, despite what some believe.

    in the last explaination i read something like:
    we dont want to sell same things in both zen store and t-bar shop. What we did on PC is a test we consider failed so when wont do the same on Xbox.

    IF i read it right, they are not happy and might change things
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  • plasticbatplasticbat Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 12,456 Arc User
    edited February 2016

    NW Xbox and NW PC are 2 different games, despite what some believe.

    It is not about if they are the same game or not. It is about their explanation and the freshly inform "guideline" as a reason.

    "one of our guidelines for putting items into in-game stores is to never allow that exact item to also exist in the Zen Market."

    Unless they say, "well, this is different game. That is a XBOX ONLY guideline", nobody will feel comfortable.
    I would not even feel a thing if that guideline was not written in that post at all.
    *** The game can read your mind. If you want it, you won't get it. If you don't expect to get it, you will. ***
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  • zibadawazibadawa Member Posts: 1,266 Arc User
    edited February 2016
    metalldjt said:

    it's funny how everyone is a prophete and are like "WE ARE DOOMED!" easy fellas no one is dying by just removing those coal wards.

    That depends on if the XBox reaction in general is as bad as it is on the forums. In which case, the NWO part of Cryptic is dying of sepsis.

    And for those not following the matter, the issue is less about the loss of cheaper coal wards, or the loss of coal wards entirely. The issue is about how Cryptic handled and advertised the issue. For those 3.5 months they had been lead to believe their TB store would be the exact same as ours. This was a stealth change that the players kept asking about to be sure of, but Cryptic constantly dodged the matter, and then they tried to retroactively alter forum posts and news announcements to cover their trail when the HAMSTER started approaching the fan. The day before the patch they went around making these stealth, unannounced edits to history. That is what the storm is about.

    The issue is about the stuff Cryptic is doing and how they're treating the game and the players.
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  • boondoc0boondoc0 Member Posts: 19 Arc User

    NW Xbox and NW PC are 2 different games, despite what some believe.

    i think what you meant to say is that NW Xbox and NW PC are 2 different games, despite what Cryptic has been saying for 5 months. if it has something to do with botters that pc has a problem with but xbox doesn't and is a benefit to players we get "parity'. leadership. dragons hoards. parity. making progression cheaper on xbox when they don't have? whoa whoa whoa guys, we have no idea why you would expect things to be the same across both platforms.
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  • boondoc0boondoc0 Member Posts: 19 Arc User
    coal wards, preservation wards, or blood rubies. only available as zen purchases
  • zibadawazibadawa Member Posts: 1,266 Arc User
    edited February 2016

    Difference being this time is that all the complaints can go through Microsoft whom control the access to the Cash Cow.

    We'll see how much of a difference it makes, but yes. People often want to protest Cryptic's little orchestrated deceptionsinnocent typos by rescinding their purchases, but Cryptic's standard defense is to tell them if they charge back then their account will be perma-banned; they'll hold your characters hostage to stop you from taking your money back. Normally I'd just say that's standard operating procedure. Companies can get ripped off pretty hardcore if they don't do this, after all. But in my experience it's very rare when Cryptic itself will issue any sort of refund. I think their fix to the bug with starlight parcels being opened in the hour after the event patch but before the event actually started is one of the few examples I know of where they said "oops, sorry, here's your stuff back and we even gave you credit for the messed up ones you opened". But the "bind on equip is a lie" issue with Challenge of the Gods gifts from the zen store? Oh well, deal with it, they promise to pay more attention next time.

    But XBox gets to turn the tables on them. They can go to Microsoft and request the refund from them, and have MS deal with Cryptic/PWE instead--it becomes MS demanding money back from Cryptic/PWE instead of the player's bank, with the threat of holding hostage what PWE wants. Or so I assume, as I'm not an expert on exactly how this sort of thing works. Whether that will pan out to anything, I don't know. Hopefully something good for the game is the end result.
  • solbergxsolbergx Member Posts: 654 Arc User
    What negative impact on the economy are they talking about?
  • silverkeltsilverkelt Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 4,235 Arc User
    not the players economy silly =P..




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