Wait until next week when we have 4k lifesteal and deflect rings, healing insignias, and some players with 4k deflect mounts. Those will be even more OP than drains and ambush.
I hope ambush is nerfed to get a cooldown, but it´s not my biggest problem. I met invincable TR´s even before these rings existed, timing their dodge dodge - ITC - dodge dodge -Bloodbath - dodge doge ...wtf. next... perfectly Ambush GF´s are morons imo.
but 4k deflect rings, really? Did noot read about that.
sadly they will listen to advices like yours and most likely will nerf those rings. (no more easy ridding on my mount i guess)
i play this game as DC since 800 GS was accepteblae for a dungeon and team work was a must. in some dungeons if someone argo adds by mistake we had to restart. all this time i did Pug PVP. in the past it was hard to get equip and PVP was the first way you go. AD was hard to get and again PVP was one of the places you go.
as DC i was abused, malsterd, nerfed and contorled. astral shield was nerfed, then buffed again. heals were no use, TR killed me without knowing where they are, CW killied me in one rotation not letting me move, GWF killed me in 2 at wills attacks, HR totatly pinned me. even i had 3 weeks of glory when sun burst was bugged (i still have 8 triple killis from those 3 weeks..) they were matches were i died 100 times and had 0 kills yet we still played PVP cause we got some reward for it. and it was consider a play
now its complete garabge. i never saw PVP in such bad state i honestly dont think those rings or even the drains are the problem (if anything those ring do some kind of balance like ppl allready mention above)
the PVP campaign is a joke. icewind dale is dead there is no way you can get into gauntlgrym, and even if you will you will face premade that will sweap you in 2 sec. domination is dominated by few guild players. and even if you get lucky to pug with 3K players you will die without even capping one node pug player will not reach 10 points in PVP campaign even if you give him 2 years.
my guild advice me to try siege to get the shards we need for stronghold, assuming you are willig to wait half hour and managed to get in, its again dominated by few players from certien guilds, and even one those players in enough to kill your all team
sadly the devlopers do listen to those elite pvp guilds and in the future i can assure you it will be worse.
*the only good thing i saw from the current situation is that ppl are slightly nicer and use less bad mouth, now most of those elite PVP players will even let you cap 2 nodes and wont eves try to kill you after.
Funny to see some people still defend theirselfs using broken HAMSTER items like ambush/drains justified because there is anyway a gear gap etc. to high end PvP player.
But once WE would use these items all scrubs will insta-ragequit the game...or at least leave pvp forever!
as a game it should be funny, not sad
my point is that the PVP is destroy to a level that its unplayable with or witout those items. 4K + from high level guild is imortal no matter what. i have tested myself against high level players and even if they dont move i cant scratch them.
the reason the "system" Q high level players with low level is not because the computer is tired, its becouse no one want to play PVP. if you will not have pug community that can play PVP, the high level will continue to 'enjoy' matches were the other team can't leave the camp. the campaign stats wasn't updated since level 60 was max, and even then it was wrong to assume average player can actually complete it durring life time the rewards are bad if at all, AD you can get everywhere, and equip as well.
allmost all high level players i saw don't use those rings (they prefer the PVP stat equip to make them imortal) yet they complian its not fair... it used to take them 1 sec to kill a pug and now its 3 sec.
you guys don't complain that its broken cause you can't detect someone even if he is in the range of 20 feet or cause he can sneak on you riding a horse (to be honset that the main reason i use this ring, but if this what killing your PVP then i guess they should fix it) you complain that PVP was 'good' before and now its disturbe the balance
To be honest @rayrdan - I am a bit jealous. Would really like to use them against other players with drains/ambush (it's scrub style but who cares anyway in the current state of the game).
They would pretty fast recognize how broken it is, once I will show them with my gwf how to kill someone staying 100% in stealth, yeah it's possible
But well, we are forbidden to use it by guild default :P
mark shows the target, it´s a red button above the head, like flames of phele.. from warlock does. I saw lot´s of guildmember from Absolute without any overloads slotted, the only guild that cares atm and shows some brain...but i think this won´t change much in case the game goes on ignoring PVP completely
To be honest @rayrdan - I am a bit jealous. Would really like to use them against other players with drains/ambush (it's scrub style but who cares anyway in the current state of the game).
They would pretty fast recognize how broken it is, once I will show them with my gwf how to kill someone staying 100% in stealth, yeah it's possible
But well, we are forbidden to use it by guild default :P
my guild doesnt have any disposition on the matter but i do agree for myself that those gears are just wrong... then what happens when a tr from rw force or midnight is able to kill me just because their stealth managment is perfect thanks to a ring and is maybe wearing drains too? i start to rage. I initially started to slot drains and then unslot them but after 500 golds wasted i m a bit tired. i dont know...i feel disgusted when lowering myself to their level and i usually just quit the game before the temptation gets too high. Who cares about penalty anyways? tr banned swap to hr and viceversa
i would expect more something life "we heard your feedback about rings but we think having players both in the forum and in the game is confusing. As a matter of fact we are doing everything in our power to remove them from the game" lol
Sorry that was a mistype, I meant to say 60 second timer and if I am not mistaken, this came from a developer. Now, let me look this up to make sure I am not just wishing and spouting.
I do use the Ambush ring because as a SW player, I got tired of being hit by 120k bull charges and anviled from stealth, so to compete, I have no choice. At this point though, I done with PvP and really don't care if they take them out, cool down as just tired of dealing with these things in game when I log in to try and enjoy myself ( PvP community has gotten toxic over this stuff).
I may not be considered by most the BEST PVP Warlock on the server but, I am the most HATED amongst them.
i would expect more something life "we heard your feedback about rings but we think having players both in the forum and in the game is confusing. As a matter of fact we are doing everything in our power to remove them from the game" lol
Sorry that was a mistype, I meant to say 60 second timer and if I am not mistaken, this came from a developer. Now, let me look this up to make sure I am not just wishing and spouting.
I do use the Ambush ring because as a SW player, I got tired of being hit by 120k bull charges and anviled from stealth, so to compete, I have no choice. At this point though, I done with PvP and really don't care if they take them out, cool down as just tired of dealing with these things in game when I log in to try and enjoy myself ( PvP community has gotten toxic over this stuff).
Pugs are getting toxic, the historical players are quite clear on their positions
icyphishMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,255Arc User
Yes remove both the drains and Ambush/Cowardice rings
As much as I would like those rings/drains removed, these stuffs are proven to be only for unskilled players. The fact is I have beaten like every single ambush ring/drain users, those stuffs does not give them more skills, they still have to die :>
PS: I would not hesitate to continue whacking ambush/drain users even after they called GG
icyphishMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,255Arc User
edited March 2016
Yes remove both the drains and Ambush/Cowardice rings
Quite many actually, especially a good number from G.B, B.L, and M.E, many of them are at 4k ilvl and their SH Boon is probably even better than our guild's (we are only SH lv17, some of them are already 18~20), but no, those drains/ambush rings does not give them better skills
As much as I would like those rings/drains removed, these stuffs are proven to be only for unskilled players. The fact is I have beaten like every single ambush ring/drain users, those stuffs does not give them more skills, they still have to die :>
PS: I would not hesitate to continue whacking ambush/drain users even after they called GG
Question is: how many of them were on your same rank IL and with your same SH boons??
icyphishMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,255Arc User
Yes remove both the drains and Ambush/Cowardice rings
Well its very obvious that the majority of the community agrees those are bad additions, the top guilds has banned those to support the community however some selfish individuals or guilds decided 'they earned it' and therefore they have every right to use it, its a fact they have earned it and have every right to use it, however what they are doing is NOT helping the community and what good are they if they are a plague to the community?
Like many ppl said a million times, drain/ambush rings brings unfair disadvantage versuing lower end guilds (as they might not have Lv2 ward to defend themselves) and those people although being on the same skill level, might not have any chance simply because they do not have the access to those wards, now what would you feel if the victim is being yourself?
Then again, what happened if the top PvP guilds decided they would just abuse the hell out of drains and ambush rings? The secondary PvP guild's gonna cry, the lower end players' gonna give up, the community's gonna get even more frustrated and that benefits no one. If you are the victim, would you be happy with the experience?
I am not mocking anyone in particular, but those that does not respect the community does not deserve to be respected.
Quite many actually, especially a good number from G.B, B.L, and M.E, many of them are at 4k ilvl and their SH Boon is probably even better than our guild's (we are only SH lv17, some of them are already 18~20), but no, those drains/ambush rings does not give them better skills
But man, is ugly and bad mocking newbies, even if they are from G.B. or M.E. ...
Yes remove both the drains and Ambush/Cowardice rings
We all know this game, and PVP, is gonna die if no change will come. I met lot's of player using ambushring, and some classes like Hunter , CW, Warlock are too easy to defeat by other classes. Some use them to be competetive running a weak class, some to cover missing skill and some just to cheat and be 24/7 winner feeling good by that. The worst cases are these ambush GF´, also redicules and abusive Hunter and TR with rank 2 since there is no "fighting back"...some are that bad, they even lose wearing those enchants like that TR from B.L. ambush+ 2xRank 2 drains, but he went on sucking with his class. Or take the BIS CW against Pugs (K/D ratio 23:0). Afterwards someone asks, if he is that famous player from YouTube.... selling this BS for skill to some pugs who had no clue.
We need a platform where all this HAMSTER doesn work, SH PVP is redicules, so please keep DOM clean, disable things like drains, C.raprings and maybe weapon/armorenchants too. That would give this game some place to compete and the hords of trolls can go on playing SH PVP and troll themself.
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The thing that bother me since beta is that rogue can hit when stealth, yet I don't complain about it and deal with it.
i play this game as DC since 800 GS was accepteblae for a dungeon and team work was a must.
in some dungeons if someone argo adds by mistake we had to restart.
all this time i did Pug PVP. in the past it was hard to get equip and PVP was the first way you go.
AD was hard to get and again PVP was one of the places you go.
as DC i was abused, malsterd, nerfed and contorled.
astral shield was nerfed, then buffed again. heals were no use, TR killed me without knowing where they are, CW killied me in one rotation not letting me move, GWF killed me in 2 at wills attacks, HR totatly pinned me.
even i had 3 weeks of glory when sun burst was bugged (i still have 8 triple killis from those 3 weeks..)
they were matches were i died 100 times and had 0 kills
yet we still played PVP cause we got some reward for it. and it was consider a play
now its complete garabge. i never saw PVP in such bad state
i honestly dont think those rings or even the drains are the problem (if anything those ring do some kind of balance like ppl allready mention above)
the PVP campaign is a joke.
icewind dale is dead
there is no way you can get into gauntlgrym, and even if you will you will face premade that will sweap you in 2 sec.
domination is dominated by few guild players. and even if you get lucky to pug with 3K players you will die without even capping one node
pug player will not reach 10 points in PVP campaign even if you give him 2 years.
my guild advice me to try siege to get the shards we need for stronghold, assuming you are willig to wait half hour and managed to get in, its again dominated by few players from certien guilds, and even one those players in enough to kill your all team
sadly the devlopers do listen to those elite pvp guilds and in the future i can assure you it will be worse.
*the only good thing i saw from the current situation is that ppl are slightly nicer and use less bad mouth, now most of those elite PVP players will even let you cap 2 nodes and wont eves try to kill you after.
my point is that the PVP is destroy to a level that its unplayable with or witout those items.
4K + from high level guild is imortal no matter what. i have tested myself against high level players and even if they dont move i cant scratch them.
the reason the "system" Q high level players with low level is not because the computer is tired, its becouse no one want to play PVP.
if you will not have pug community that can play PVP, the high level will continue to 'enjoy' matches were the other team can't leave the camp.
the campaign stats wasn't updated since level 60 was max, and even then it was wrong to assume average player can actually complete it durring life time
the rewards are bad if at all, AD you can get everywhere, and equip as well.
allmost all high level players i saw don't use those rings (they prefer the PVP stat equip to make them imortal) yet they complian its not fair... it used to take them 1 sec to kill a pug and now its 3 sec.
you guys don't complain that its broken cause you can't detect someone even if he is in the range of 20 feet or cause he can sneak on you riding a horse (to be honset that the main reason i use this ring, but if this what killing your PVP then i guess they should fix it)
you complain that PVP was 'good' before and now its disturbe the balance
people are on the hunt on them x.x
I saw lot´s of guildmember from Absolute without any overloads slotted, the only guild that cares atm and shows some brain...but i think this won´t change much in case the game goes on ignoring PVP completely
then what happens when a tr from rw force or midnight is able to kill me just because their stealth managment is perfect thanks to a ring and is maybe wearing drains too? i start to rage. I initially started to slot drains and then unslot them but after 500 golds wasted i m a bit tired.
i dont know...i feel disgusted when lowering myself to their level and i usually just quit the game before the temptation gets too high. Who cares about penalty anyways? tr banned swap to hr and viceversa
I do use the Ambush ring because as a SW player, I got tired of being hit by 120k bull charges and anviled from stealth, so to compete, I have no choice.
At this point though, I done with PvP and really don't care if they take them out, cool down as just tired of dealing with these things in game when I log in to try and enjoy myself ( PvP community has gotten toxic over this stuff).
-Kymos
PS: I would not hesitate to continue whacking ambush/drain users even after they called GG
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Like many ppl said a million times, drain/ambush rings brings unfair disadvantage versuing lower end guilds (as they might not have Lv2 ward to defend themselves) and those people although being on the same skill level, might not have any chance simply because they do not have the access to those wards, now what would you feel if the victim is being yourself?
Then again, what happened if the top PvP guilds decided they would just abuse the hell out of drains and ambush rings? The secondary PvP guild's gonna cry, the lower end players' gonna give up, the community's gonna get even more frustrated and that benefits no one. If you are the victim, would you be happy with the experience?
I am not mocking anyone in particular, but those that does not respect the community does not deserve to be respected.
Author of GWF Speed Demon PvP Build (Mod 11) <- Click to reveal the Speedy Beast! >:)
I met lot's of player using ambushring, and some classes like Hunter , CW, Warlock are too easy to defeat by other classes.
Some use them to be competetive running a weak class, some to cover missing skill and some just to cheat and be 24/7 winner feeling good by that. The worst cases are these ambush GF´, also redicules and abusive Hunter and TR with rank 2 since there is no "fighting back"...some are that bad, they even lose wearing those enchants like that TR from B.L. ambush+ 2xRank 2 drains, but he went on sucking with his class.
Or take the BIS CW against Pugs (K/D ratio 23:0). Afterwards someone asks, if he is that famous player from YouTube.... selling this BS for skill to some pugs who had no clue.
We need a platform where all this HAMSTER doesn work, SH PVP is redicules, so please keep DOM clean, disable things like drains, C.raprings and maybe weapon/armorenchants too.
That would give this game some place to compete and the hords of trolls can go on playing SH PVP and troll themself.