hellbringer needs a revamp

demonickk23

there isn't as much synergy within it as there is for soulbinders, well at least in my opinion.Maybe synergy isn't the right word, but hellbringer warlocks definitely seem to have alot of issues. Infact could anyone fill me in on what the whole theme of the paragon path is? soulbinder i get, it works off of soul sparks, but what about hellbringer?

One of the biggest issues I have is with pillars of power and gates of hell. Pillars of power just doesn't work very well, I've never really seen any warlocks use it. Gates of hell is nice, but the targeting for it is really bad, wouldn't it work better if the beam of energy came out from the floor?

I in no way believe I am the best or think my opinion is the right one, but I think this class could really use some touch ups on it's abilities and powers. Anyone else agree?

taitinhakkaaja

I'm hell bringer and don't use pillar or gates. Actual buff from pillar is so low, that i don't see any point using it -> using another power instead of pillar gives better dps.
I tried Gates couple times, but my conclusion TT beats it 6-0.
Since those 2 powers are "core" of hell bringer, they should be more usefull -> comparing to soul scorch and immolation spirits.
Buffing them would be easy, but there are so few hell bringers now that devs don't just bother doing it

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taitinhakkaaja

I wouldn't say far less in dps section. I dare to say it performs better than sb in some (rare) cases. (full dps party, no pity no mercy gives 100% combat advantage)

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candinho2

Well nothing in this mod(9) devs are working on cn and tia queue, and we all know that they don't have enough ppl to do both, revamp a dungeon/fix tia queue and balance/rework classes, so maybe mod 10 we can see some class reworks.

candinho2

and before anyone start complaining about those "secrets" cn revamp and tia queues, anyone that know Google also know this "secret"

ftryda

I agree hellbringers are hurting. Personally I don't understand why the dps tree, fury, didn't have the capstone correlate to the intended paragon path for dps, hellbringer. That and all the high damage fire based powers.

flowcyto

Yeah, I have one fire-based SW, but due to the issues w/ Hellbringer vs. SB atm I made him SB. Fury is not optimal if using Fire powers, Tempt is too deficient and also a bit out-of-theme, so had to be a Damnation build to be decent. It works fine, but I don't like all the compromises I had to make. Would've been nice to choose HB + Fury, and get a Creeping Death-like bonus for Fire powers. Imo, that should be the highest or 2nd highest dps SW build- like a Fire mage that goes all out 'burn or be burned', but def not w/ the way things currently are.. it'd just be a gimped setup atm.

ghoulz66

It's stupid that SB has it's own special mechanic and HB has nothing. HB doesn't really do any better damage either and SB has a superior daily.

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ghoulz66

etelgrin said:

SB outperforms HB mainly because of Soul Scorch in damage at least.

Get crit immolation spirits going and spam scorch away. It's ridiculous.

tgwolf

I can out DPS SB Warlocks using Hellish Rebuke alone.

Hellbringer excels at stacking DoTs on enemies better than any class/paragon, and over the SB it can maintain CA permanently, solo or in a group with NPNM.

True that most of it's class specific powers are not as useful as the SB but that really doesn't matter honestly. I'll take the overall quality of the powers it does have over the quantity of the Soulbinder.

Fury for ever.

Damnation for scrubs.

taitinhakkaaja

Bold statement! Do you have any videos to proof? Or do you want to make some dungeon runs to show your dps?

fernuu

tgwolf said:

I can out DPS SB Warlocks using Hellish Rebuke alone.

Hellbringer excels at stacking DoTs on enemies better than any class/paragon, and over the SB it can maintain CA permanently, solo or in a group with NPNM.

True that most of it's class specific powers are not as useful as the SB but that really doesn't matter honestly. I'll take the overall quality of the powers it does have over the quantity of the Soulbinder.

Fury for ever.

Damnation for scrubs.

Looking forward to see it!

zachisrising

I too would like to see some proof

schietindebux

tgwolf said:

I can out DPS SB Warlocks using Hellish Rebuke alone.

Hellbringer excels at stacking DoTs on enemies better than any class/paragon, and over the SB it can maintain CA permanently, solo or in a group with NPNM.

True that most of it's class specific powers are not as useful as the SB but that really doesn't matter honestly. I'll take the overall quality of the powers it does have over the quantity of the Soulbinder.

Fury for ever.

Damnation for scrubs.

in your dreams....

that´s a comment compareable to a statement like: " I can out dps any Hellbringer fury using exclusively Curse Bite"

btw is there anything to be found about the class rework warlock should get?

xrawcarnage

There is no way in nine hells you can out dps a Sb build with hellish rebuke. That power is nothing compare to 3/4 the powers of a SB. I ran hellbringer all the way until mod 7 so I definitely know the powers. I currently run Sb fury and destroy 99% of all classes. When I've repect to hellbringer, I still did decent dps more on single target. I ran 2 runs with same group on etos. Hellbringer I scored 105mil with soulbinder 175mil. Clearly a difference.

jobsalotofwork

Hellbringer has higher CA up time, and it's against more targets. You don't get CA at range unless someone gives it to you - ranger or CW possibly marked target but uptime on mark isn't 100%- or you have npnm. Before the thaum resurgence it was more common, but now DPS CW is back so NPNM is useful again. So HB should be better aoe damage with channeled or multi proc abilities.

SB is more dependent on lolset without it building sparks is a lot slower. Hb is probably better with black ice gear due to better stat distribution, and not needing the spark generator.

Wasn't HB damnation shown to be alot higher damage then SB damnation? I heard about this, but never tried it.

I may have to test HB damnation pillars of power with puppet

schietindebux

jobsalotofwork said:

Hellbringer has higher CA up time, and it's against more targets. You don't get CA at range unless someone gives it to you - ranger or CW possibly marked target but uptime on mark isn't 100%- or you have npnm. Before the thaum resurgence it was more common, but now DPS CW is back so NPNM is useful again. So HB should be better aoe damage with channeled or multi proc abilities.



SB is more dependent on lolset without it building sparks is a lot slower. Hb is probably better with black ice gear due to better stat distribution, and not needing the spark generator.



Wasn't HB damnation shown to be alot higher damage then SB damnation? I heard about this, but never tried it.



I may have to test HB damnation pillars of power with puppet

there is no argument to go Hellbringer atm, not one
no Hellbringer will beat a Soulbinder except a hellbringer damnation at low gearscore i think