our primary stat (INT) gives us damage. Our secondary stat (WIS) gives us control.

ph33rm3

We are primarily AOE strikers, with control abilities. People are fooled by the name and think we shouldn't do DPS.

GWFs do more AOE damage than us. But less single target. That is totally backwards.
Rangers roots have better control than us and if specced right. Better DPS.

We are not the best at anything.

We are not the best controllers. Rangers and OPs are.
We are not the Best DPS. GWFs and skilled rangers are.
We are no the best buffers. GF's and DCs are.

If you want control. You invite a ranger.
If you want DPS you invite GWF.
If you want buffs. You invite a DC or OP or GF or Ranger.

We are unable to configure ourselves to be any of the holy trinity: Stiker, healer or tank. No matter how much we spend, Cw's are simply not needed anymore.

zekethesinner

ph33rm3 said:

We are primarily AOE strikers, with control abilities. People are fooled by the name and think we shouldn't do DPS.

GWFs do more AOE damage than us. But less single target. That is totally backwards.
Rangers roots have better control than us and if specced right. Better DPS. nope, u r primary controller, secondary striker. and acctualy gwf is also better single target, its acctualy where we shine ever more compared to cw.

We are not the best at anything.

We are not the best controllers. Rangers and OPs are better than u
We are not the Best DPS. GWFs and skilled rangers are better than u
We are no the best buffers. GF's and DCs are better than u, and that is true

If you want control. You invite a ranger, no, one takes who is faster, or in case of LFG, who has bigger IL
If you want DPS you invite GWF, yes u do, but thats u.
If you want buffs. You invite a DC or OP or GF or Ranger. Ranger and buffs? Like longstrider and... emm fox? Well ok ok.

We are unable to configure ourselves to be any of the holy trinity: Stiker, healer or tank. No matter how much we spend, Cw's are simply not needed anymore. Well im yet to see tank cw, one day!

Here, fixed it for ya.

You r welcome.

(Sin)cerely
Kain

katamaster81899

zekethesinner wrote: »

We are primarily AOE strikers, with control abilities. People are fooled by the name and think we shouldn't do DPS.

GWFs do more AOE damage than us. But less single target. That is totally backwards.
Rangers roots have better control than us and if specced right. Better DPS. nope, u r primary controller, secondary striker. and acctualy gwf is also better single target, its acctualy where we shine ever more compared to cw.

We are not the best at anything.

We are not the best controllers. Rangers and OPs are better than u
We are not the Best DPS. GWFs and skilled rangers are better than u
We are no the best buffers. GF's and DCs are better than u, and that is true

If you want control. You invite a ranger, no, one takes who is faster, or in case of LFG, who has bigger IL
If you want DPS you invite GWF, yes u do, but thats u.
If you want buffs. You invite a DC or OP or GF or Ranger. Ranger and buffs? Like longstrider and... emm fox? Well ok ok.

We are unable to configure ourselves to be any of the holy trinity: Stiker, healer or tank. No matter how much we spend, Cw's are simply not needed anymore. Well im yet to see tank cw, one day!


Here, fixed it for ya.

You r welcome.

(Sin)cerely
Kain

This is perfect. I feel a need to come up with a tank CW build.​​

digolift

agree with de op

blazious11

ph33rm3 said:

We are primarily AOE strikers, with control abilities. People are fooled by the name and think we shouldn't do DPS.

GWFs do more AOE damage than us. But less single target. That is totally backwards.
Rangers roots have better control than us and if specced right. Better DPS.

We are not the best at anything.

We are not the best controllers. Rangers and OPs are.
We are not the Best DPS. GWFs and skilled rangers are.
We are no the best buffers. GF's and DCs are.

If you want control. You invite a ranger.
If you want DPS you invite GWF.
If you want buffs. You invite a DC or OP or GF or Ranger.

We are unable to configure ourselves to be any of the holy trinity: Stiker, healer or tank. No matter how much we spend, Cw's are simply not needed anymore.

GWFs do more AOE damage if you are slow and don't use conduit-icy terrain-Oppforce-steal time combo in the start of the combat. GWF has more sustained AOE damage, but CW still can burstkill or nearly kill most mobgroups in dungeons. (I usually kill lesser and leave 1 bigger mob standing, that's why I use disintegrate as 4th enc.) GWF can kill mobs in epic demo faster, because they dont have to run back instantly to blue circles if their encounters/dailies are blocked. GWF have more AOE in certain situations and dungeons, but this is dependant on the enviroment and who gets to mobs faster IMO.(Where Gwf sprint gives huge advantage)
GWF have much more single target dps than CW, that is where they are the best (along with SW-s). I don't really get what you are talking about here.


"We are not the best at anything. " Maybe. Yet we are not the worst at anything either. We are closely 2nd-3rd in everything, and we have a high level of variety and can easily adapt to any situation.

Control: If we feat specialise in that way (icy veins is almost enough for anything) we are best/2nd best conrtollers. But control is not very useful anymore in endgame, however it can be gamechanging in low-midlevel, T1 instances or in not overgeared T2 runs.

Dps: Not the best Dps. Rangers are good, but I would put SW to second best. Yet we still have high burst, and good sustained damage, overall very good damage if specced for that. I can't really complain about my damage, it's still very good. Good GWFs and SWs/HRs will outdamage you in paingiver, but well, that's paingiver. You are not a dead weight anywhere. (However, nerfing lostmauth might hit CW-s hard.)

Buff: Well, Renegade buffs are among the best. 30% bonus crit chance or damage? Yes, it's random, but still it is very noticable if you have a Renegade in the party! With or without High vizier, renegade Mofs can be the best debuffers/buffers if specced that way.

I hardly see any party without bringing a CW along. You can do dungeons even with 2 or 3 cw-s in a party if you like - (where for example 3 TR parties are doomed most times) Cw-s are still among the most sought-after classes. You do not see 5man CW parties for dungeons anymore, but I would call it a good turn.

andrew33

Thaum needs a buff.

zekethesinner

andrew33#3082 said:

Thaum needs a buff.

How can u know, u jsut joined this game couple of mins ago... r u saying u managed to lvl up ur cw in 20min and so, also while server was off? Teach me master.

(Sin)cerely
Kain