post from pc what is to come ....

dreadkiss

I will start by saying I have pvp'd since this game came out. I have pve'd, done every dungeon, speed runs, ring farming back in CN. From having to drag mobs around all over the place, to being good enough to face tank and easy mode it with a pally. Anyway, pvp lets talk about that. So mod 2 was basically the best mod we ever had. It had a couple artifacts that ruined it, but other than that it was amazing.

Ever since then, it has been mostly a power creep in gear, less and less sets, less creativity, more tenacity, more gear gap, endless dailies to get the gear, and then people quit, and you have others with tenacity and gear and those who don't and get 1 shot by every single player in the game and then they also quit.

PVP has maybe 50 people in it who are any good. It encourages zero team play, zero skill, massive guilds with drains that were never tested by a single developer, rings that were NEVER tested by a single dev with no CD's totally ignoring CC resistance, CC immunity, everything.

- So here is how this mod goes. (not all, but most)

You solo Q, you get a premade with drains, you get wrecked.
You solo Q, you get a match of people with zero gear, and you get like 30 kills and you scratch ur head wondering how that happened?

You duo/trio - you get a premade, get wrecked
You duo/trio - you get pugs and destroy them 1k to zero b/c they have PVE gear and no tenacity.

You get 5 people - you crush them 1k to zero or they GG at campfire
You get 5 people - you get another group, it can be a good match, but if they have rank 2 rains and cowardice rings, you will lose by default. Or if they have a TR/DC ap bug spamming shockings, then you will also lose.

EASIEST WAY IN THE WORLD TO FIX IT.

1. Remove tenacity from all gear, and give a base tenacity based off either blue/purple/orange or off item level. We can stop using horrrrrrrribly designed "pvp stats" on their tenacity rings, and actually have rings fit our builds.
2. Bring back the T1/T2 sets via lock box/dungeons (I think we still have a couple dungeons in the game right?) and scale their stats up so we can use set bonuses, unique sets.... not all be in the same generic gear.
3. Have basic pvp weapons from TOB store. Sure the Mul gear has similar damage, but no bonuses or anything, so maybe something in the middle purchased via glory. Or maybe pvp campaign or something (granted they fix all the bugged/broken ones you can't unlock). And for the love of GOD NO REFINING!!!! WE NEED ALTS, not more **** to refine w/out any good source of RP.


3 things. Honestly, just number 1 would fix 90% of the problems. You guys made this world of endless RP, you fueled all the Chinese gold/rp/ad sellers b/c no one can legit get this RP unless they are a veteran player and have a full 50 toons praying everyday/leadership like I do. You really expect someone to level legit to 70 and have a chance in pvp w/in 6 months? I promise unless they have some serious help or spend insane $$$$$$ they have no shot. (less and less spend money on ur game and more and more google ways to get it cheaper).

PVP is dying. SH pvp is full of multi boxing people just to get q's so they can farm the insane amount of SH's to get the gear on any alts or even mains who didn't get in on the initial month or two we used it. GG is dead.... maybe 5-10 matches per day period. Domination is a joke with cowardice rings/stealth rings/drains none of which were tested or are remotely balanced. I can repel someone across the freaking map who has a dot on me and they are rooted through all CC resist/immunity.

But no... you focus on banning people from the winter event? Seriously?! Like do you devs even know what pvp is like? Have you ever been in a competitive match (they are harder to find now). Go on youtube/twitch and look up the old dev's work back in the previous mods (I know you guys come and go a lot) - but you can see some serious pvp. Competition, strategy, all kinds of rotations for matches that were an hour.... it was insane.

Now, it is 15 minutes. If you have rank 2 drains you win. If you have stealth CW's and Hr's you win. If you have a broken OP (pally) who has a class that has never been fixed is still immortal (Yes they can die with more effort than it takes to kill 4 other bis classes at the same time) and he is using cowardice.... then GG...



- Please devs... Read this. Get that massive chip off your shoulder like you have a handle on this stuff.... and just do a few things to fix the only fun I have left in this game. PVE is a joke. It's boring. It is dailies. PVP is the same 2 maps.... can be boring. But it can also be extremely challenging. We test builds all the time, how the stats work, feats, enchants, etc. For what? Give us back our realm of competition. PVE is a dps race and it is just too easy. Pally made sure that PVE will never be hard again. But PVP..... please.... don't make the rest of the people left go to LOL, or SMITE



PS - future pvp class changes. LEAVE PVE OUT OF IT. You really need to stop ruining the PVE guys who hate PVP just because they are the same class. This makes even more people hate PVP, forces people into one path, one paragon, one build.... you did it for GF/GWF since the orig devs couldn't be creative enough to make different moves in the first place. But please. Make a point to never do it again. It does't make sense, it is not fair, and you have no reason to do so. They are separate. Difference, not related and you only force even more players to leave.


- Thanks for making it all the way to the bottom. I really hope PVP in this game can make it through this mod and I cross every finger and toe I have that the devs don't break it even more in the next mod as I'm sure they are already working on that with 99% of their time rather than fixing how broken mod 4/5/6/7........ have been.

Dom@Freshour - Guardian Fighter.

respectpays

they might as well pay people to play their game at the rate their going games already dead sense mod 5/ i have max tanicity and i stoped pvping simple fact its boring as boring can get i had a 3.4k item lvl with 3600 ten

armadeonx

I've stopped too. I had a look at my achievements for the first time yesterday, I've logged about 2,800 hours of game time and have about 6,500 pvp kills. That's as a mid ranking pugger who really got into pvp for a while.

But with these drains, guild boons, Lionsmane, pugs v premades & the upcoming rings I haven't pvp'd for a week or so and have no desire to do any more.

dreadkiss

it wouldnt be a problem if people didnt love to exploit problems within the game

indylol

Mmos are a snowball. And xbox players are mostly mmo virgins with egos they dont mind soothing with their wallets.

If you've never played an MMO and are particularly frustrated with PvP, let me take a few minutes to enlighten you.

1.) MMO PvP is NEVER Fair. This is a simple fact, if you think somthing is overpowered in PvP, it will most likely be exacerbated by better (or BiS) gear, take a look at Shocking Execution, if a 2.8k TR hits u, eh maybe 40-50k? But if a BiS LGPG TR hits you, 100k+. The closest thing to a fair game will involve either a mirror comp, or a level cap increase which has recently hindred all players and set them all back to a middle ground. Early mod6 before the first 2x rp is a great example of this.

2.) Joining an MMO is Hard. Seriously, xb1 players really dont understand this about the genre, and NW does it in a much more friendly way than most. Now by "Joining an MMO" im not saying you made a char and logged in, im saying you want to build a char and become truely immersed in the experience, you're gonna need to level up, party up, and gear up. This process can take months in most MMOs. Even still you will always notice a clear cut difference between yourself and the day 1 vets with their limited time items they got from early on or exclusive events, think how envious many players are now at those of us who unlocked full banks for free on multiple chars for storage. Again advantages come with time, time you cannot make up in most cases.

3.) MMO Progression Demands Dedication. Now this part is where alot stumbled, and honestly pushed themselves out of the door. I have a few sad stories on this, one example, a TR from mod4/5 who was fairly well off decided "eh fok NW ima BO3" so he did a giveaway and gave away all his stuff on stream the majority was 20 thrones of the lion, im sure he had fun. Now at market price today you may think no big deal, but he coulda flipped them at 800k to 1m during October/November while still playing BO3 just by casually posting auctions, but no. Now he returned to Nw, hes 2k itemlevel and guildless. If you plan for the future in an mmo, you can almost never fail, because there will be so many who didn't have the foresight to plan for success.

You see many players think mmos are like rpgs, but they have a second layer where every other player is your competition and they are also trying to make the right moves to get ahead of the game. Only the strong and savvy survive and thrive in mmos, the rest are just casuals.

gondola

Basically they want you dedicated and at the least logging in every day. It's the old carrot on a stick dangle and it's standard fare in an MMO. What flat out sucks in the lack of matchmaking in PvP queues. Throw in composition imbalances to Kevlars post and it's really a <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> shoot. I can't really speak for them because I don't do 5 man strict comps (we normally grab the people on and set it up the best we can for the moment) but I imagine it's getting old for them too.