What does high defence have to do with shocking execution , and I never seen a rouge with 10k recovery that's insane that's like putting 10k crit on a rouge, yes recovery is good for a rouge but 10k ? Lol 10k??? You must know a lot about rouges
What does high defence have to do with shocking execution , and I never seen a rouge with 10k recovery that's insane that's like putting 10k crit on a rouge, yes recovery is good for a rouge but 10k ? Lol 10k??? You must know a lot about rouges
What does high defence have to do with shocking execution , and I never seen a rouge with 10k recovery that's insane that's like putting 10k crit on a rouge, yes recovery is good for a rouge but 10k ? Lol 10k??? You must know a lot about rouges
since I play NWO PVP on PC I do see these high recovery TR´s very frequently, 9-10k, 20k power, low crit and arp (some really are extreme). So tell me, what do you need else having 100% crit from stealth dealing piercing damage, than power some recovery + AP gain? Arp and crit not needed in that case right? Btw that´s all known and told in other threads , fell free to look up for them yourself and be enlighted. Every 10 seconds one SE. I know as much about TR´s as I meet and see in PVP. You play xbox, right? Xbox is blind flight most time i guess , most payer can´t do theorycrafting and come here to get input.
to get to topic....it really is that poor as written above, stomp or get stomped, cowardring, no cowardring but semipremade, invincable DC that keeps up hole group, oncycling GF rushing through hole team...no that´s no fun that´s c.rap in between you have two great matches, noone cheates, all have fun and it is from no interest if you win or not.... but than, 20 matches like above 4k+vs <2k and the coward-armada that has written on their flaggs "We will spoil until noone queues any more"
100% agree on removing tenacity. Its funny how the same arguments being proven now were brought up when it was first introduced. Nobody wanted to maintain 2 sets of gear.
Also, devs have to do something about the rings. Almost all of them completely unbalance a match.
With 8k recovery, 20k power and snail + burning daggers, i can do SE/BB before Lurker assault's/CB buff ends. But my SE isn't the one doing 150k damages (around50-60k)
What does high defence have to do with shocking execution
To the devs:: Please fix SE that it respects at least tenacity OR if you want to remove tenacity fix it to respect defense and Balance TR's outgoing DMG accordingly
Or better yet remove every piercing dmg from the game. YES, that includes the CW's 66% res ignore for "Control purposes " and some W.enchants that *coughs* "work as intended" *coughs* )
Anything more then 4k recovery on a tr and your just wasting stats
Especially after mod 6 that capstones were removed , you are not wasting ANY stats on ANY class if you have designed your build around those stats, so .... No you are not . end of story .
With 8k recovery, 20k power and snail + burning daggers, i can do SE/BB before Lurker assault's/CB buff ends. But my SE isn't the one doing 150k damages (around50-60k)
Anything more then 4k recovery on a tr and your just waisting stats but ok you 2 pc gwfs know everything
I know TR's with nearly 20k power and 10k recovery... they will courage breaker,smokebomb and then shocking you before the smoke bomb is done lol
NERFFFF them all
That´s what was ment by "extreme builds" as...kweassa or someone else wrote before. but from my side as warlock facing them, it is exactly this extrem build who do good by chaining cc with high piercing damage normally I do not have much to counter them, couragebreaker+ smokebomb....and the moment my class "snails" out of red zone...wushhhh SE so that´s the moments I take ring of vision or ambush (rare moments) ... to get anything done, otherwise you do not get one step into a match, in case these rings would not exist, I would be that far away from being competetive, some TR´s I can face with ease on the other hand I never take coward since it just kills every match imo
But, any class can stack recovery and AP gain... This isn't specific to TRs. Just slot silvery on offense slots, take any feats/boon related to AP gain and recovery. But don't expect to do lots of damages.
But, any class can stack recovery and AP gain... This isn't specific to TRs. Just slot silvery on offense slots, take any feats/boon related to AP gain and recovery. But don't expect to do lots of damages.
But no class can ignore crit and arp, relying on one encounter dealing piercing and having a 100% critchance from stealth. I hope you see the difference?
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dragoness10Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 780Arc User
edited January 2016
: looks at first post starting the thread:
Hey, whilst you're at the analysis can you just rewrite the scripts to fix it too?
:waits five minutes, waits a bit more:
I came back and edited myself.
He has a few more threads... mostly about Guardian Fighters.
"Guardian fighters from a guardian fighter's propsective" "what do guardians do now?" "teach an old dog new tricks? - GF PvF" "TR's need major buffs" "Hmmm DC's..."
Compare that with this post, and form your own opinions dear readers.
" I tried to figure out the enigma that was you, and then I realized mastering Wild Magic was easier." - Old Wizard in Waterdeep
"Why is it dragons only use ketchup? I'd like a little wasabi please. Us silvers like a variety of condiments."
"Don't call them foolish mortals. One, they don't learn from it. Two, It just ticks them off." - An Ancient Red Dragon
This is no problem of this mod, but of the lack of interest in PvP by the Devs. I played PvP since beta, PuG and premade.
I got got gear, t. feytouched, t. elven, t. vorpal and t. neg, R 12s, ... . Last module they screwed it up with AP drains, now with the rings. I dont want to participate in this 'armsrace of lameness', so I stopped playing PvP, like many players I know or knew.
I know, that the general numbers of players declined, but if you compare the leaderboard of ~2 years ago and now, 5k pages <500 pages, you know, that they lost more of their PvP players.
How should there be a decent ELO, if a functional ELO with 10 times the players and a lower gear gap was abandoned, bc the que times was 30 minutes+ (some might remember this).
I read this posts and hope, that someone who can change things tries something different, bc the way it is, there is no fun in PvP anymore.
I didn't read any of this because all of you are wasting your breath. Cryptic/PWI doesn't give a horse droppings about PvP, if they did the Ring of Cowardice 0 second cooldown would have been fixed in a patch the first week of its release. That ring is just icing on the crapcake that is current PvP.
Stack 9k recovery just for itc? I don't even touch Itc
I will try my best, since I do not play TR , I hopefully can get you to the point.
TR deals piercing damage , right? Piercing-damage ignores Arp, DR, Defence, Deflect...anything and the higher your power the more damage, right? So first get power, since you do not need focus on arp for dealing piercing, just do not invest in it. Being a stealth build, lots of ppl say TR deals 100% crit from stealth, ergo your SE will be a crit, right? So you do not need to invest in crit as lots of classes have to do. First strike gives you a big damage boost too, nly thing to do is SE, get out of combat, and SE again...not so easy against some classes but some do not DOT you that much--> GWF, GF, some more?
Shocking execution is a daily, so you need AP gain as much as possible, right?
recovery mod 6 (did it change?): 200 points of Recovery provides 1% Recharge Speed Increase and every 400 points of Recovery provides 1% Action Point Gain. --> so 10k recovery=22% AP gain + cloak 4% + overloads 2,5% when active buff, sure there are more ways to go burnig dagger+ snail = 50% instant AP from one daily ! SE a target to death below 20% = refilled AP bar (really?lol) mysthic cleric sigil for moments you can´t go on chainning SE...:)
As setil wrote: "With 8k recovery, 20k power and snail + burning daggers, i can do SE/BB before Lurker assault's/CB buff ends. But my SE isn't the one doing 150k damages (around50-60k) " ....did he really ment he does lurker assault+ courage breaker and on top Blood bath+ Shocking execution in a row before the other both buffs end? That´s ironiccaly ment right, otherwise we can take TR´s At Wills and encounter and give to another class SO in case I would play a competetive TR in PVP I would chose this way.
What we also told you several times, CB+SB+SE is one of these funny things: fist you cc the target let him crawl like a lame snail, than you bathe him in red sauce and the moment he crawls out of this mega aoe you shock him... be sure he will love it
So, in case I misunderstood things and just wrote bullshiet, sry for that, I never played a TR.
Ok you right about some things still wouldn't stack that much recovery tho.. You should delete your comment unless you want more rouges running that build
Ok you right about some things still wouldn't stack that much recovery tho.. You should delete your comment unless you want more rouges running that build
they already do, no secret. since this game/PVP dies for sure and my class gets stomped by most classes with a good (or extreme) setup, I couldn´t care less perma dazing hunter-SE spaming TR - unkillable DC and OP - onecycling GF and CW and GWF who only have to slot two enchants and burst all down. the time to turn things back is over for sure and there is and will be no real contest in PVP, most people did undersatnd that long ago and left. I do not want to discourage anyone from doing PVP, but there is not the smallest hope or sign telling me that this company has any clue --> How to get PVP running in this game !
Nerfing self-heals to that extreme would end PVP for all players who are not maxed out. All of those numbers are based on Dark Rank 12s, full boons, and Mythic Wheel.
None of these mechanics were around in this form prior to say mod 5? Non healing classes had to rely on healers to stay alive for periods of time.
Let's ignore the fact that REGEN existed since day 1 and was THE core mechanic in pvp since mod 0. As always you selectively forget things and propose to tackle one issue only, you casually say "oh np, nerf life steal but make better matchmaking", Like holy HAMSTER do you even realize that fixing match making is a bigger issue than the 10 most biggest pvp problems right now? how can you even nonchalantly mention it when suggesting a solution to anything haha.
If you want to approach problem solving you have to start at the edges, not in the center, fix stuff that won't change how other things work, then move on from there. (Hint: it doesn't start with life steal).
fact is a fact pvp right now is so f up that. i deside to go lower lvl pvp and i relized they give me 42k hp Like 4x my base and my damage is the same it took me 6mins to kill and SW were full rank 12s this is BS they need to fix that double hp is fine but x4 pvp is boring then and almost imposable to get the boons now
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mrvincent1959Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 740Arc User
PVP is fun, you stand there and wait 5 to 8 seconds while your are stunned, drained, slowed and cant get off any encounters, then just as you are about to do something, you get knocked back 20 feet. Those rings are a disaster and took whatever fun that was left in pvp completely out.
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So tell me, what do you need else having 100% crit from stealth dealing piercing damage, than power some recovery + AP gain? Arp and crit not needed in that case right? Btw that´s all known and told in other threads , fell free to look up for them yourself and be enlighted.
Every 10 seconds one SE.
I know as much about TR´s as I meet and see in PVP.
You play xbox, right?
Xbox is blind flight most time i guess , most payer can´t do theorycrafting and come here to get input.
Seems like you have to learn yourself a lot.
stomp or get stomped, cowardring, no cowardring but semipremade, invincable DC that keeps up hole group, oncycling GF rushing through hole team...no that´s no fun that´s c.rap
in between you have two great matches, noone cheates, all have fun and it is from no interest if you win or not.... but than, 20 matches like above 4k+vs <2k and the coward-armada that has written on their flaggs "We will spoil until noone queues any more"
Also, devs have to do something about the rings. Almost all of them completely unbalance a match.
But my SE isn't the one doing 150k damages (around50-60k)
Or better yet remove every piercing dmg from the game. YES, that includes the CW's 66% res ignore for "Control purposes " and some W.enchants that *coughs* "work as intended" *coughs* ) You dont pvp enough Especially after mod 6 that capstones were removed , you are not wasting ANY stats on ANY class if you have designed your build around those stats, so .... No you are not . end of story .
NERFFFF them all
That´s what was ment by "extreme builds" as...kweassa or someone else wrote before.
but from my side as warlock facing them, it is exactly this extrem build who do good by chaining cc with high piercing damage
normally I do not have much to counter them, couragebreaker+ smokebomb....and the moment my class "snails" out of red zone...wushhhh SE
so that´s the moments I take ring of vision or ambush (rare moments) ... to get anything done, otherwise you do not get one step into a match, in case these rings would not exist, I would be that far away from being competetive, some TR´s I can face with ease on the other hand
I never take coward since it just kills every match imo
This isn't specific to TRs.
Just slot silvery on offense slots, take any feats/boon related to AP gain and recovery. But don't expect to do lots of damages.
I hope you see the difference?
Hey, whilst you're at the analysis can you just rewrite the scripts to fix it too?
:waits five minutes, waits a bit more:
I came back and edited myself.
He has a few more threads... mostly about Guardian Fighters.
"Guardian fighters from a guardian fighter's propsective"
"what do guardians do now?"
"teach an old dog new tricks? - GF PvF"
"TR's need major buffs"
"Hmmm DC's..."
Compare that with this post, and form your own opinions dear readers.
"Why is it dragons only use ketchup? I'd like a little wasabi please. Us silvers like a variety of condiments."
"Don't call them foolish mortals. One, they don't learn from it. Two, It just ticks them off." - An Ancient Red Dragon
I got got gear, t. feytouched, t. elven, t. vorpal and t. neg, R 12s, ... . Last module they screwed it up with AP drains, now with the rings. I dont want to participate in this 'armsrace of lameness', so I stopped playing PvP, like many players I know or knew.
I know, that the general numbers of players declined, but if you compare the leaderboard of ~2 years ago and now, 5k pages <500 pages, you know, that they lost more of their PvP players.
How should there be a decent ELO, if a functional ELO with 10 times the players and a lower gear gap was abandoned, bc the que times was 30 minutes+ (some might remember this).
I read this posts and hope, that someone who can change things tries something different, bc the way it is, there is no fun in PvP anymore.
at least there will be a fix
TR deals piercing damage , right?
Piercing-damage ignores Arp, DR, Defence, Deflect...anything and the higher your power the more damage, right?
So first get power, since you do not need focus on arp for dealing piercing, just do not invest in it.
Being a stealth build, lots of ppl say TR deals 100% crit from stealth, ergo your SE will be a crit, right?
So you do not need to invest in crit as lots of classes have to do.
First strike gives you a big damage boost too, nly thing to do is SE, get out of combat, and SE again...not so easy against some classes but some do not DOT you that much--> GWF, GF, some more?
Shocking execution is a daily, so you need AP gain as much as possible, right?
recovery mod 6 (did it change?): 200 points of Recovery provides 1% Recharge Speed Increase and every 400 points of Recovery provides 1% Action Point Gain.
--> so 10k recovery=22% AP gain + cloak 4% + overloads 2,5% when active buff, sure there are more ways to go
burnig dagger+ snail = 50% instant AP from one daily !
SE a target to death below 20% = refilled AP bar (really?lol)
mysthic cleric sigil for moments you can´t go on chainning SE...:)
As setil wrote: "With 8k recovery, 20k power and snail + burning daggers, i can do SE/BB before Lurker assault's/CB buff ends.
But my SE isn't the one doing 150k damages (around50-60k) "
....did he really ment he does lurker assault+ courage breaker and on top Blood bath+ Shocking execution in a row before the other both buffs end?
That´s ironiccaly ment right, otherwise we can take TR´s At Wills and encounter and give to another class
SO in case I would play a competetive TR in PVP I would chose this way.
What we also told you several times, CB+SB+SE is one of these funny things:
fist you cc the target let him crawl like a lame snail, than you bathe him in red sauce and the moment he crawls out of this mega aoe you shock him... be sure he will love it
So, in case I misunderstood things and just wrote bullshiet, sry for that, I never played a TR.
since this game/PVP dies for sure and my class gets stomped by most classes with a good (or extreme) setup, I couldn´t care less
perma dazing hunter-SE spaming TR - unkillable DC and OP - onecycling GF and CW and GWF who only have to slot two enchants and burst all down.
the time to turn things back is over for sure and there is and will be no real contest in PVP, most people did undersatnd that long ago and left.
I do not want to discourage anyone from doing PVP, but there is not the smallest hope or sign telling me that this company has any clue --> How to get PVP running in this game !
Let's ignore the fact that REGEN existed since day 1 and was THE core mechanic in pvp since mod 0.
As always you selectively forget things and propose to tackle one issue only, you casually say "oh np, nerf life steal but make better matchmaking", Like holy HAMSTER do you even realize that fixing match making is a bigger issue than the 10 most biggest pvp problems right now? how can you even nonchalantly mention it when suggesting a solution to anything haha.
If you want to approach problem solving you have to start at the edges, not in the center, fix stuff that won't change how other things work, then move on from there. (Hint: it doesn't start with life steal).