Artifact Feeder Question

armadeonx

Can someone clarify a point for me before I go ahead and use a feeder to boost an artifact?

After doing some reading I'm planning on getting a new artifact to 60 then feeding a rank 97 artifact of the same type into a green then putting the green into the new rank 60 I'm levelling.

The bit I'm uncertain about is the blank green artifact. So I put the 97 into it and just put it whilst it's still green into the rank 60? Does the overflow fully carry over even though it's still green?

Thanks

superjellybaby

no you have to upgrade it with the required marks then feed it in

thejawlives

The points are there...but without marks, the value remains locked.

zman81420

^ Yes

justnk8se

Keep in mind the actual rank of the artifact dictates how much RP you get back. lets use a power artifact as the example. if you dumped the level 97 power into a green level 1 of the same type on x2 rp you would get rough 5,617,900 million worth of refinement into the lvl1 green leveling it up to about rank 111 (x5 bonus for the same type of artifact multiplied x2 for the x2 rp so x10 total). As stated above since this is still considered a R1 you would only get the equivalent RP for a R1 artifact if fed until it is upgraded.

so in short it is extremely important if you want to get the best bang for your RP you upgrade your feeder to at least legendary status after you refine your r97 into it so you get credit for the roughly 2 million refinement you will have past 99 in the feeder artifact ( it is roughly 3.5 million to get to legendary and about 10.5 million to mythic).

you should end up with numbers like this:

r97 into r1 feeder = 5.6 million refinement (x5 for same type arti and x2 for the x2 RP event on Monday) pushing it to R111.
R111 feeder into a R60= 8.5 million refinement + the 300k to get to R60 on your main artifact = 8.8 million total refinement into the artifact you want to keep pushing it to roughly R130 ( if anything crits you will be over refined)

hope that helps.

armadeonx

cool so to get my new R60 (symbol of fire) up I should:

put R97 into green (plus another feeder I get to R59)
refine green to blue then blue to purple then purple to orange
Put orange into my new symbol of fire
upgrade Fire to orange and it should be R99 ready to upgrade to Mythic

Would that be right?

justnk8se

Yes give or take a couple hundred thousand RP. 8.8 total for orange feeder into the symbol of fire (without Crits....if it crits you wont need the additional lvl 59 feeder) + 1 more lvl 59 (1.2m) = ~10mil RP. you may need to throw in a few r7 runestones if you have them but getting the last lvl or 2 is a lot easier than getting the first 10 mil RP

some simple math on the runestones; they give ~17k ea for a r7 into an artifact. So it would only take roughly 30 R7 runestones to get about 510k RP (if any crit it will be higher of course)...which is about 60-90k AD in the AH currently. 20 Runestones will give you 340K RP which is enough to level up a feeder from 1 to 59.

armadeonx

Nice, thanks for the help - I'll go with the extra feeder as it's probably safer to not count on crits

bagoat

^^ you may have missed a point or I may be wrong BUT:
I think it will, in the end, be cheaper to try for a crit and then make up the difference with other refining stones if it doesn't. At least, I figure, some stones you've gathered through your travels will be cheaper than spending AD on another artifact.

armadeonx

I got one from pvp so no AD spent there but the thing is I'll be putting the feeder into a green then into the new artifact - if it doesn't crit then I'll be missing nearly 2 million points and would then need to buy 2 artifacts, not one.

As i'll only be putting one item into the green then that into the main, the chances of a crit are really low...

justnk8se

just to reiterate some variables on the math for the feeders: if you wanted to try for no crits and just straight up RP needed to get the 10.5 million total. (like you said previously) if you did the r97 +1 (lvl 59) feeder into the lvl 1 feeder you would have nearly 10.2 million RP going into your Symbol of Fire via 2nd feeder.

keeping in mind x5 bonus for artifact of same type and then x2 for the x2RP event: http://neverwinter.gamepedia.com/Artifact
r97 (5.6 mil RP) + r59 (1.2 mil RP) = 6.8 million RP going into your main R1(2nd) feeder which puts it to R118.
R118 feeder going into Symbol of fire gives you 10.2 million RP +the ~350K the symbol already has = ready to upgrade to mythic.

armadeonx

cool, ready to go

thefiresidecat

so, it costs about 220000 to actually upgrade the artifact to orange from purple. what is the benefit of doing that vs not doing that before feeding it into another artifact? Right now it is possible to get about 2 million rune points for that amount of money. is the gain greater than that?

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thefiresidecat

not answering my question. I"m talking about lets say you have an artifact that is level 99 but not actually refined into orange. what benefit does actually refining it to orange give you as the feeder rather than just using it at level 99 not refined to orange.

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armadeonx

so meaning the cost of purchasing the feeder offset against the cost of refining - including the marks. I think Fireside is asking why I'd bump the feeder to orange. The reason is the feeder is already R97 as it's one I've been using - and I need to multiply it's value.

Otherwise I'd need to get the new one to orange then feed the R97 into it, that means buying an extra couple of artifacts as feeders, getting them to R59, feeding them into the new one, getting it to orange then putting the r97 into the new one.

Getting the original to orange is about the same price as buying two wheel of elements so that would break even but I'd then need to spend more on RP, making it more expensive.

thefiresidecat

so it does multiply the value more to get it to orange rather than leave it as level 99? the reason I'm pushing this is I have two at level 99 ready to upgrade. I'm not sure if they're the ones I'm keepng or feeding at this point but I just need to figure out if there is a reason to upgrade them to actual orange that would be worth more than 2 million refinement points?


if I'm reading poompoom there is no value in it?

armadeonx

Well for me I'm trying to get a rank 60 to 140 so it needs just over 10 million points. I'm a little confused myself as to how a rank 97 feeder into a green would only get 5.6 million RP during x2 as straight maths would be 3.3mil (the 97 value) x 5 = 16.5 million, which is more than enough for Mythic.

But as I've never done it before I'm erring on the side of caution and following the advice of those who've done it - as a fail would be more expensive to correct

thefiresidecat

I have mine at rank 99 and it's not upgraded to orange. putting it into a level 63 as is currently says it will give me 5,859,500 points.

above it looked like it said to upgrade it to orange before feeding it but it also looks like it doesn't increase in points that much if you actually officially make it orange or not.. so.. yeah expensive.. clarification is needed. Since the cost to upgrade it officially to orange is an extra 220k if you don't get more than 2 million points for it, it's pointless because you can buy 2 million points for that amount of money if you're patient with the AH.

LOL. In all honesty I'm ok with having orange but I think I'm actually pretty close to mythic with spares so thinking even if I can't afford the final steps of the process at least doing what can be done during double refinement is probably a good thing.

I have my symbol of water and tiamat to level 99 not yet orange.

so I have a pair of each type

I have a horn of blasting and tiamat
lantern and heart of red dragon
symbol of water and sigil of the hunter


I'm really torn on what to do. I really love the symbol of water but you cannot put the sigil into it. Stat wise I think sigil is better for my current needs but I love the damage water does.

horn of blasting and tiamat is a tough choice too. but really only because I know I'll never get another tiamats orb. (unless they fix WOD)

and lantern and heart of red dragon is also tough. but I might not touch those if I go thru with dismantling water. I"m still a way off from having lantern levelled up enough to be a feeder yet anyway. I know everyone loves lantern but the stats aren't what I need. (more power)


well I just tried putting my water into the sigil and it gives the mismatched points instead of matched points. Just over a million instead of nearly 6 million. so.. Guess it's safe after all. if I were to pour it into heart of the red dragon it would give me the 5.8 million. which makes no sense. it's stability and red dragon is power so it appears to be registering as power. I guess if you purchased a feeder I'd recommend putting it into the refinement window early just to make sure it's registering correctly before putting a ton of points into it. in this case it's fine because I like it.. but if it were a pure feeder I might be just a tad irritated.

armadeonx

yeah the thing is to put the 99 into a feeder which will multiply its value, then take the feeder to orange instead - then put that into the new one and multiply the value a second time. If you just get the new one to 99 the rest of the RP will sit there waiting for you to upgrade, you don't need to do it in double RP.

Personally I'd choose the horn over the orb as at mythic you get an extra 500 power, crit and arp, I don't consider the smaller amounts across more stats to be worth it (from the orb).

With the lantern & red dragon Id personally say not to use either but go for something like the rod of restraint as it'd give you both life steal and control which are good for both your HR and CW - for extra power maybe go with armour enhancement?

armadeonx

@thefiresidecat I just did it and I can confirm their calculations were correct - my R97 plus a 59 feeder into a green, level the green to orange then put the orange into new artifact - took it to rank 139 Ready to Upgrade with 103,300 RP to spare.

I did burn through about 30 wards and 10 GMOPs though - lol

thefiresidecat

yeah I was fully planning on letting tiamat go over the horn. so did you actually upgrade it to orange or just take it up to the edge of orange?


this is so complex and it defies reason. LOL

armadeonx

the R97 and R59 feeder I put into a green and took that green all the way to orange - I then put that orange into the R60 new artifact and it's now sitting at 139 after I took that to orange as well (ouch was expensive though lol)

cscriv79

Is the cost of the Potency/marks it takes to make orange worth the RP you gain from going up 1 level, most will say no, buy a rank 1 and refine to 59 ready to go purple then feed it in, using all those potencys and marks is not worth it to go to purple/orange.

thefiresidecat

cscriv that's what I thought. from what I was understanding it doesnt' give more points to go to orange it's the level that counts not the color. Looking at the cost of union artifacts though.. man oh man. I think I'm either going to have to skip the second feeder and just be happy with orange for a bit or I'm going to have to farm and cross my fingers for the rod of imperial restraint in rothe valley. gonna wait until the last minute just in case. My power artifact should be easy peasy. and I have no feeder for my stability and it's just about as expensive as union so I'm just going to orange on that as well.

armadeonx

that's the thing though, I wanted to double multiply the value of the R97 - if I just put it into the new one 'as is' I would've had to make up the difference with 2 extra feeders plus RP.

Weighing the cost of my way against the other way I calculate I saved around 200k AD.

thefiresidecat

I can believe you needed to put the potency in to make it go up to 97 again for the second feeder but no need to bring it up to orange from what I am understanding.

thefiresidecat

I did something wrong. I upgraded the lantern to 98 fed it into a feeder got it up to 99 then put it in to the heart of the red dragon and it's only offering the 585900 points I had originally.

hmm maybe it (the final refinement to orange) does make a difference for upgrading it. I'ma gonna do it. cause no point in using it as a feeder if it's only going to give half points. I might as well just use the feeder as a legendary spot. my heart of red dragon is level 78. Might as well just feed it rune stones.

armadeonx

that's what I've been saying - as someone pointed out to me earlier in this thread, you need to unlock the refining points by bringing them to orange - if you rank it up it'll jump to over 10 million when you put it into the new one

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