Stamina Drain Glyphs

theguiido

armadeonx said:

Which is why they need true skill separation between pvp and pve - tenacity is not the answer.

Tenacity IS the answer. Classes and this overall game needs a rebalence and REDO.

theguiido

xr1st1anos said:

I have a PvP guardian fighter. I don't tend to have this issue with the drain glyph but then again, i'm usually attacking and not guarding....

Either you haven't layed the GF enough to understand, or you just dont play PvP, Or I'll just assume you're DPS like 90% of all tanks nowadays.

grandpaxxx

A GF can own a HR easy atleast mine does I hardly loose any health if any against them. Sometimes it may be a stalemate because they run away but most HR. I can drain there stamina as fast if not faster then they drain mine. Then there is no where to run. I use Trans Elven so they don't root me at all and still have 80% DR with 50% tenacity. My skills are down to 4.5sec CD lunging and 6.7 I think bull charge. Toss in my +5 ambush ring and there is no touching me.

armadeonx

theguiido said:

armadeonx said:

Which is why they need true skill separation between pvp and pve - tenacity is not the answer.

Tenacity IS the answer. Classes and this overall game needs a rebalence and REDO.

No, tenacity is a sop. A poor attempt to address an issue that needs a fundamental rethink when it comes to pvp. The trouble has always been that whenever they make a change in relation to skills in pvp it effects skills in pve to the complete detriment of the class.

The only way to avoid this is by having separate skill definitions, that way they can adjust what a skill does in pvp without it impacting on pve & vice versa.

Having tenacity purely as a limit on damage is a poor substitute.

theguiido

armadeonx said:

theguiido said:

armadeonx said:

Which is why they need true skill separation between pvp and pve - tenacity is not the answer.

Tenacity IS the answer. Classes and this overall game needs a rebalence and REDO.

No, tenacity is a sop. A poor attempt to address an issue that needs a fundamental rethink when it comes to pvp. The trouble has always been that whenever they make a change in relation to skills in pvp it effects skills in pve to the complete detriment of the class.

The only way to avoid this is by having separate skill definitions, that way they can adjust what a skill does in pvp without it impacting on pve & vice versa.

Having tenacity purely as a limit on damage is a poor substitute.

That is what I meant by "redo" and "rebalance" all classes definitions and powers and mechanics should be switched for PvP. But I am pretty sure when the put in a new update, they really only focus on the PvE side of things instead of PvP. I wish the development of this game changed so it would cater to EVERYONE.

theguiido

grandpaxxx said:

A GF can own a HR easy atleast mine does I hardly loose any health if any against them. Sometimes it may be a stalemate because they run away but most HR. I can drain there stamina as fast if not faster then they drain mine. Then there is no where to run. I use Trans Elven so they don't root me at all and still have 80% DR with 50% tenacity. My skills are down to 4.5sec CD lunging and 6.7 I think bull charge. Toss in my +5 ambush ring and there is no touching me.

Okay well you "like most" tanks aren't tanks anymore. Your a sword master conq build. So no kidding you won't have a problem with HR's. Second, perhaps you have not been experienced in premades. But those HR's that I fight are way beyond what you have been fighting. Im talking about HR's that have there class down to the bone, know every move, and know how to attack next without compromising their rotation. HR's will only get worse with shadow clad and mount insignias. But it's not like the debs care. They listen to no one.

sicklikeflu

I quit playing pvp with my GF due to stamina drain glyphs being released.

AP drain can be annoying, but to me it's not nearly the game changer stamina drain is, in fact I think AP drain is nice. Nobody wants to fight an endless battle because both teams have a perma bubble. Thankfully that won't be a concern much longer.

theguiido said:

landelmer said:

HRs are not OP. You are talking about pvp, not pve. PVP is not balenced so quit getting butt hurt over the roots and drains.

every HR loves to say how the HR isn't op. This is coming from the class that can also dodge and be immune to every hit, while also being able to perma root/lock/stun you. I have yet to see class balencing in this game. Like my comment above, play the GF like I have then you can see why we react to HR's as OP. Seriously do it, because if you do play like I have, then you will know it is not easy becase im not some stupid Swordmaster "DPS" tank. that people think is OP. Its a DPS tank. How more idiotic can that be for people to think they are OP. It's DPS for a reason. HR's have complete control over sooooo many classes. And until you have been playing as long as I have, and gained this much experiance on the game, please do not leave messages like this. Your comment was biased. And anyone with experiance that knows this game, knows that their is no balencing on this game. And im not being biased either the GF 10-60's bracket is OP. but at 70's that all changes. Dont mean to be rude, You just dont know what you're talking about.

You forgot to mention their ability to stealth (even without cheater rings), and dodge.

I often catch myself saying "CW's are my least favorite class to encounter in pvp!", then 2 minutes later "clerics are my least favorite class to encounter in pvp", then 2 minutes later I'm complaining about rogues, and so on.
The reality is, I want to dominate all classes all the time.

sicklikeflu

My bad, you did mention their ability to dodge.