Half of my current guild has not even touched Sharandar or Dread Ring, so not everybody cares about boons.
That's why I said "pretty much"; I can't say that everybody does, but the majority for sure do.
And you're missing the point: 400-point boons are nothing compared to, for instance, a 10% increase on an at-will. Every single stat increase, no matter how small, is welcomed.
By Implemented I mean getting one every time like you did whilst leveling from 1-70. So its NOT implemented where you NEED 4 power points.
It's not implemented where you get one every time, right; but that doesn't mean you don't need it.
But I agree with you on the fact that people shouldn't worry much about getting power points on every rollover. I don't grind XP to roll over and hope to get one, I just enjoy the gameplay and the moment I realize I get one I update whatever power I deem appropriate.
@beastpro#5299 you keep dragging this off point. who cares what the individual motivation is? who cares how much it helps or doesn't help? Why are you insulting others calling them weak because they want something the game offers? Especially when it was something that was standard just one build away? Why would you argue for less instead of more? So you are happy with the way it is for you. Why do you have the need to tell others they are wrong for wanting something different and they must be somehow lesser because of their desire to achieve all the game has to offer?
moar.. is better. we are the customer.
it's like if you went to starbucks and ordered a 12 ounce coffee and they came back with an 8 ounce but charged the same and then said, well I just had 8 ounces this morning and it was great. If I have more I sit on the toilet for hours so you don't want more.. trust me. take the 8 ounces.
the point is, why aren't power points every time when the requirements are so high for them and it used to be standard? it has nothing to do with the validity of the fourth tier or whether you need them.. they're offered as a part of the game and they're not accessible.
Not needed, just extra. I understand people "wanting" the extra points, but they are not needed and so you only have a chance to get them. If people, like you say, want to get everything in the game including all powers to 4 points, then you will just have to keep grinding for it. It is implemented in the game to give you a chance at a Power Point, the way it should be. You should not be guaranteed a Power Point after you reach the highest level, that makes no since at all.
Jeeeeeeeeeez most of us are not suggesting its guaranteed.... All we are asking for is a higher chance of obtaining them!
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Yes, I get that. But I have some guild members you have gotten 10 points since MOD6, and some that have gotten none. Its all just luck of the draw. If you have not gotten any then it's bad luck, and keep trying.
keep trying? millions of xp points between tries for something that used to be awarded every time.... the only way to keep trying is to do that grind of xp you were sneering at earlier. I do think it should be every time. It was before. or maybe I had exceptional luck the 2 or 3 times I hit that roll over before mod 6. I play A LOT.. and it takes me a few weeks to hit the roll over point. the rewards they give are worse than almost any other crappy reward in the game. you get better rewards in dread ring for doing the mini lair and that's WAY less work. Why should we expect less than that? If they brought xp needed WAY down I'd be ok with it but to have all those level 4's and to be unable to upgrade nearly any of them with reasonable playtime is kinda absurd.
Again I ask, why are you arguing for less in this game? Why are you happy to take less?
Not needed, just extra. I understand people "wanting" the extra points, but they are not needed and so you only have a chance to get them. If people, like you say, want to get everything in the game including all powers to 4 points, then you will just have to keep grinding for it. It is implemented in the game to give you a chance at a Power Point, the way it should be. You should not be guaranteed a Power Point after you reach the highest level, that makes no since at all.
"Extra" does not imply a lack of necessity. You may not need them, but others consider otherwise.
Also, I am not saying people want to get all powers to 4 points, but 4 points on your main powers are a good addition.
And this game is about grinding... A lot. And about "chance to get this, chance to get that"... A lot! There are many things that are not guaranteed in this game... Does it make sense that you want to get them?
Doesn't need to be RNG for the power points it's RNG after all if ya don't get the point just try and try again the likely hood of them even changing it is very slim so shush and don't worry about the points just repect if you are missing points in your most used powers.
Doesn't need to be RNG for the power points it's RNG after all if ya don't get the point just try and try again the likely hood of them even changing it is very slim so shush and don't worry about the points just repect if you are missing points in your most used powers.
Is that some sort of weird joke lol, how can you respec to put missing points in powers if that player does not have the points in the 1st place? Hence this whole topic and others before this about the same issue.
Of course they might listen and change things a little if they think its a good idea or enough people feel the same way.
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Well you should've had enough power points from leveling to max out the powers you use. Unless your expecting to max out all your powers then good luck
Doesn't need to be RNG for the power points it's RNG after all if ya don't get the point just try and try again the likely hood of them even changing it is very slim so shush and don't worry about the points just repect if you are missing points in your most used powers.
Is that some sort of weird joke lol, how can you respec to put missing points in powers if that player does not have the points in the 1st place? Hence this whole topic and others before this about the same issue.
Of course they might listen and change things a little if they think its a good idea or enough people feel the same way.
^ this. I don't think the game is out to *bleep* us. I do think the game designers want a good player experience. I fully expect this was an oversight, as it makes no sense at all. If people band together and say WANT! odds are with something like this there is at least a decent chance that a change might be enacted of some sort whether it be higher odds or a guaranteed power point every level or every 2 or 3 levels. If everyone says meh, that's the way it is, suck it up.. then yeah, that's the way it will be because the designers never knew how much we'd really like a certain thing to be changed. There is no prize here for being complacent.
keep trying? millions of xp points between tries for something that used to be awarded every time.... the only way to keep trying is to do that grind of xp you were sneering at earlier. I do think it should be every time. It was before. or maybe I had exceptional luck the 2 or 3 times I hit that roll over before mod 6. I play A LOT.. and it takes me a few weeks to hit the roll over point. the rewards they give are worse than almost any other crappy reward in the game. you get better rewards in dread ring for doing the mini lair and that's WAY less work. Why should we expect less than that? If they brought xp needed WAY down I'd be ok with it but to have all those level 4's and to be unable to upgrade nearly any of them with reasonable playtime is kinda absurd.
Again I ask, why are you arguing for less in this game? Why are you happy to take less?
Not arguing for less, just stating that the way the game is set, the RNG, is the way it is and I am fine with it. I don't need every power to have 4 points, no one does. Would it be nice to see every single power on my screen at 4 points, meh I guess. But it seems like most of you think that you should be guaranteed a power point, but that's not the way the game is/was/ever will be. Going back to Lockbox example, I'm sure some of you think you should always get a Legendary Mount, or that you NEED to get a legendary mount...but its not gonna happen. Just get over it and play the game.
Additionally, I agree that the rewards outside of the Power Point are a55, and would it be nice to get higher enchants or refining things. (But to not go against my points, higher enchants are not needed either since all mine are at Rank 10 currently.)
In my opinion, while some people may think a power point should be guaranteed, this should not be a point of concern. Wanna have your main toon at its highest level? You'll probably spend what? Year and a half, two years to get there? Just think of the many times you will roll over XP... By then you will very likely get power points for your main powers.
before.. In the way back, long long ago.. in mod 5. I personally got a power point every time. Or the RNG was very high and I didn't realize that the power point was RNG because the odds were so high. Whether it be guaranteed, or RNG with very high odds. we had a different experience in mod 5. the levels were not so extreme at that time as well. Surely, Surely.... they didn't intend to make it so unreasonable with mod 6. There is no reason to be accepting here and write it off as RNG... I'm pretty sure it's NOT working as intended.
A few comments from people saying they don't notice the difference, then mentioning they have very good IL, rank 10 enchs etc.
If you have15k+ power, over 60%RI, artifacts at legendary/mythic etc you're going to kill most things very quickly and of course you're not going to notice the difference.
The majority of players don't have this and for the many thousands of us that have characters below 2.5kIL a 15% improvement in encounters makes a huge difference.
Smug comments stating you kill things too fast to notice so people don't need it are just a not too subtle way of putting other people down.
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A few comments from people saying they don't notice the difference, then mentioning they have very good IL, rank 10 enchs etc.
If you have15k+ power, over 60%RI, artifacts at legendary/mythic etc you're going to kill most things very quickly and of course you're not going to notice the difference.
The majority of players don't have this and for the many thousands of us that have characters below 2.5kIL a 15% improvement in encounters makes a huge difference.
Smug comments stating you kill things too fast to notice so people don't need it are just a not too subtle way of putting other people down.
Exactly... I am actually one of those players that kills things to fast to notice due to the hours I have put into the game now. But I am arguing for the new players as those 4th points in each encounter/passive/daily/At-Will`s makes a huge difference and just should have a higher chance of dropping than they currently do
1.8mil exp takes a long time to get so if you get no power point 5 times in a row it just feels rubbish. It feels rubbish now even though I do not need the power points any more after 5 times in a row, so to actually need them and not have them drop that many times in a row would put players off in my opinion.
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If you Respec, you keep your points, you are not rolled back. You earned them, you keep them.
Going forward in the current Mod, you have a CHANCE of receiving a power point when rolling EXP. This is a new Mod and other parts of the Mod have improved chances and decreased chances else where, respectively. We have a new economy and chance is applied or implied moving forward. The power point is in the decrease column. Adjust to it or not. There is definitely another area in our character's build *hint* you need to focus on while its in the "improved chances column."
We don't get as much Astral with the economy change but I still managed to get 1.8 mil in three days, that makes up for the power point I did not receive during that time with two characters. Point is... game on! Don't let a power point derail you.
Honestly, I can live w/o getting a Power Point every time I level up. I think when I finally do get one it will be a very nice surprise and will make me happy, since I am sure I will be raging about a dungeon or something else that happened in game.
I see both sides of the argument going on here. I currently do not have any extra points on my HR, the last toon I made, but yet I still out DPS many other HR's. On the other side, going through to get nearly 2mil XP and not get a power point and only getting Rank 5 enchants does suck.
Honestly, I can live w/o getting a Power Point every time I level up. I think when I finally do get one it will be a very nice surprise and will make me happy, since I am sure I will be raging about a dungeon or something else that happened in game.
I see both sides of the argument going on here. I currently do not have any extra points on my HR, the last toon I made, but yet I still out DPS many other HR's. On the other side, going through to get nearly 2mil XP and not get a power point and only getting Rank 5 enchants does suck.
A rank 5 rune would be a step up for me lol, try a lowly Peridot 4 out of 5 times
The last 4 times I killed Lostmauth I received a Peridot for my troubles too ha ha.
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Yea, ELOL gave me so many awesome drops at the beginning of MOD6. Then it seems when SH came out all I ever get are Peridots or blue alliance gear ugh. I think they nerfed the drop rate of stuff when they gave us SH.
ugh there is no other side to this to "see" from these arguments. the original topic. why no power point?
the proposal: power points more often.
the other side to that would be:
DON"T want power points more often.
but so far the consensus on the negative seems to be well sure power points are nice. not saying we don't want more. saying we don't need them. because we are beast and you suck. or weirdly we make a lot of money and you suck
LET THE PEASANTS EAT CAKE!!!
which is completely COMPLETELY off topic and diversionary from the point.
I haven't heard a single person say, well why don't they just take the power points out of the game and get rid of that other tier. but that's basically what you'd have to be saying to make an argument against the power points dropping more often. I don't think anyone means to be actually negative towards power points being awarded more often. there is a lot of well that's the way it is. it's rng now. and a lot of egoey blustering..
I'm not sure that the people making these diversionary arguments realize what they are saying is no one should get power points because I personally don't need them.. but that's the end take away. Somehow it is coming across to people as the other side because someone made an argument that was actually drawing attention from a fairly clear cut issue.
Drop more often.
(basically) no drops at all and a fake reward for your effort
you know this stuff can get filtered thru and to the devs. this is the kind of issue that can be correct.. by making negative arguments you make it less likely action will occur here. Why would you want that? to keep an edge over other people who weren't playing as long as you? that's the only reason I can see and frankly that's really (insert whatever word you want here that would be appropriate for a jerk maneuver, the ones I'd like to use surely would get filtered)
you could add a third point to the triangle that would be valid. that would be I don't care.. but I'm not sure why someone who doesn't care would bother responding to a thread like this unless they were just trolling.
it's like if you went to starbucks and ordered a 12 ounce coffee and they came back with an 8 ounce but charged the same and then said, well I just had 8 ounces this morning and it was great. If I have more I sit on the toilet for hours so you don't want more.. trust me. take the 8 ounces.
Also false. You cant compare any RL things with an F2P MMOPRGs. Makes no sense at all.
the point is, why aren't power points every time when the requirements are so high for them and it used to be standard? it has nothing to do with the validity of the fourth tier or whether you need them.. they're offered as a part of the game and they're not accessible. that's the problem.
I dont see a problem, but i understand that ppl want a powerpoint after grinding for days/weeks. But....maybe a "clever" guy at Cryp sees another money making source and maybe in some weeks we got an "SUPER SPECIAL ZEN OFFER!!! 300 ZEN FOR 1 POWERPOINT!!" Who knows...
The last point there is probably very accurate haha. Why give you a Power Point for free when they can charge you for it. That would not surprise me at all. Granted it would be extremely expensive if/when they did this, probably like 2000Zen per point.
it's like if you went to starbucks and ordered a 12 ounce coffee and they came back with an 8 ounce but charged the same and then said, well I just had 8 ounces this morning and it was great. If I have more I sit on the toilet for hours so you don't want more.. trust me. take the 8 ounces.
Also false. You cant compare any RL things with an F2P MMOPRGs. Makes no sense at all.
the point is, why aren't power points every time when the requirements are so high for them and it used to be standard? it has nothing to do with the validity of the fourth tier or whether you need them.. they're offered as a part of the game and they're not accessible. that's the problem.
I dont see a problem, but i understand that ppl want a powerpoint after grinding for days/weeks. But....maybe a "clever" guy at Cryp sees another money making source and maybe in some weeks we got an "SUPER SPECIAL ZEN OFFER!!! 300 ZEN FOR 1 POWERPOINT!!" Who knows...
1. ..... 2. you're right, we are not as a general whole, costumers; although, some in the community might be larpers or cosplayers... but, we are indeed customers. we are gamers but we also buy and support the product. 3. you can compare rl things with mmoprgs. we play them, we purchase content for and in the game. F2P is only partially true. if they weren't making money off us this would not exist. Devs are expensive. equipment is expensive. Office space is expensive. advertising is expensive. make no mistake. Neverwinter is a product and we are it's consumers. 4. if that's the route they want to go with it.. then they should go with it. it's not optimal but at least it would be an option. as the next post down comments, it's been months and months on pc and there is still no resolution.. so.. yeah. I don't think that's the plan. I think this is an oversight.
2. you're right, we are not as a general whole, costumers; although, some in the community might be larpers or cosplayers... but, we are indeed customers.
ahaahaahahaha I nearly spat out my breakfast....
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And you're missing the point: 400-point boons are nothing compared to, for instance, a 10% increase on an at-will. Every single stat increase, no matter how small, is welcomed. It's not implemented where you get one every time, right; but that doesn't mean you don't need it.
But I agree with you on the fact that people shouldn't worry much about getting power points on every rollover. I don't grind XP to roll over and hope to get one, I just enjoy the gameplay and the moment I realize I get one I update whatever power I deem appropriate.
moar.. is better. we are the customer.
it's like if you went to starbucks and ordered a 12 ounce coffee and they came back with an 8 ounce but charged the same and then said, well I just had 8 ounces this morning and it was great. If I have more I sit on the toilet for hours so you don't want more.. trust me. take the 8 ounces.
the point is, why aren't power points every time when the requirements are so high for them and it used to be standard? it has nothing to do with the validity of the fourth tier or whether you need them.. they're offered as a part of the game and they're not accessible.
that's the problem.
Not needed, just extra. I understand people "wanting" the extra points, but they are not needed and so you only have a chance to get them. If people, like you say, want to get everything in the game including all powers to 4 points, then you will just have to keep grinding for it. It is implemented in the game to give you a chance at a Power Point, the way it should be. You should not be guaranteed a Power Point after you reach the highest level, that makes no since at all.
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Why should we expect less than that? If they brought xp needed WAY down I'd be ok with it but to have all those level 4's and to be unable to upgrade nearly any of them with reasonable playtime is kinda absurd.
Again I ask, why are you arguing for less in this game? Why are you happy to take less?
Also, I am not saying people want to get all powers to 4 points, but 4 points on your main powers are a good addition.
And this game is about grinding... A lot. And about "chance to get this, chance to get that"... A lot! There are many things that are not guaranteed in this game... Does it make sense that you want to get them?
Of course they might listen and change things a little if they think its a good idea or enough people feel the same way.
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^ this. I don't think the game is out to *bleep* us. I do think the game designers want a good player experience. I fully expect this was an oversight, as it makes no sense at all. If people band together and say WANT! odds are with something like this there is at least a decent chance that a change might be enacted of some sort whether it be higher odds or a guaranteed power point every level or every 2 or 3 levels. If everyone says meh, that's the way it is, suck it up.. then yeah, that's the way it will be because the designers never knew how much we'd really like a certain thing to be changed. There is no prize here for being complacent.
Additionally, I agree that the rewards outside of the Power Point are a55, and would it be nice to get higher enchants or refining things. (But to not go against my points, higher enchants are not needed either since all mine are at Rank 10 currently.)
If you have15k+ power, over 60%RI, artifacts at legendary/mythic etc you're going to kill most things very quickly and of course you're not going to notice the difference.
The majority of players don't have this and for the many thousands of us that have characters below 2.5kIL a 15% improvement in encounters makes a huge difference.
Smug comments stating you kill things too fast to notice so people don't need it are just a not too subtle way of putting other people down.
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1.8mil exp takes a long time to get so if you get no power point 5 times in a row it just feels rubbish. It feels rubbish now even though I do not need the power points any more after 5 times in a row, so to actually need them and not have them drop that many times in a row would put players off in my opinion.
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If you Respec, you keep your points, you are not rolled back. You earned them, you keep them.
Going forward in the current Mod, you have a CHANCE of receiving a power point when rolling EXP. This is a new Mod and other parts of the Mod have improved chances and decreased chances else where, respectively. We have a new economy and chance is applied or implied moving forward. The power point is in the decrease column. Adjust to it or not. There is definitely another area in our character's build *hint* you need to focus on while its in the "improved chances column."
We don't get as much Astral with the economy change but I still managed to get 1.8 mil in three days, that makes up for the power point I did not receive during that time with two characters. Point is... game on! Don't let a power point derail you.
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just because they made changes doesn't mean they are ok changes.
I see both sides of the argument going on here. I currently do not have any extra points on my HR, the last toon I made, but yet I still out DPS many other HR's. On the other side, going through to get nearly 2mil XP and not get a power point and only getting Rank 5 enchants does suck.
The last 4 times I killed Lostmauth I received a Peridot for my troubles too ha ha.
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the proposal:
power points more often.
the other side to that would be:
DON"T want power points more often.
but so far the consensus on the negative seems to be well sure power points are nice. not saying we don't want more. saying we don't need them. because we are beast and you suck. or weirdly we make a lot of money and you suck
LET THE PEASANTS EAT CAKE!!!
which is completely COMPLETELY off topic and diversionary from the point.
I haven't heard a single person say, well why don't they just take the power points out of the game and get rid of that other tier. but that's basically what you'd have to be saying to make an argument against the power points dropping more often. I don't think anyone means to be actually negative towards power points being awarded more often. there is a lot of well that's the way it is. it's rng now. and a lot of egoey blustering..
I'm not sure that the people making these diversionary arguments realize what they are saying is no one should get power points because I personally don't need them.. but that's the end take away. Somehow it is coming across to people as the other side because someone made an argument that was actually drawing attention from a fairly clear cut issue.
Drop more often.
(basically) no drops at all and a fake reward for your effort
you know this stuff can get filtered thru and to the devs. this is the kind of issue that can be correct.. by making negative arguments you make it less likely action will occur here. Why would you want that? to keep an edge over other people who weren't playing as long as you? that's the only reason I can see and frankly that's really (insert whatever word you want here that would be appropriate for a jerk maneuver, the ones I'd like to use surely would get filtered)
you could add a third point to the triangle that would be valid. that would be I don't care.. but I'm not sure why someone who doesn't care would bother responding to a thread like this unless they were just trolling.
wait.. What?
take away what you will.
Who knows...
2. you're right, we are not as a general whole, costumers; although, some in the community might be larpers or cosplayers... but, we are indeed customers. we are gamers but we also buy and support the product.
3. you can compare rl things with mmoprgs. we play them, we purchase content for and in the game. F2P is only partially true. if they weren't making money off us this would not exist. Devs are expensive. equipment is expensive. Office space is expensive. advertising is expensive. make no mistake. Neverwinter is a product and we are it's consumers.
4. if that's the route they want to go with it.. then they should go with it. it's not optimal but at least it would be an option. as the next post down comments, it's been months and months on pc and there is still no resolution.. so.. yeah. I don't think that's the plan. I think this is an oversight.
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