Serpents Bite GLICHED (MOD 7)

alliera7311

REPRO STEPS

1. Login into a lv 70 Hunter Ranger.

2. Go to protectors enclave.

3. Enter the Trade of Blades

4 Go to your powers and equip Aspect of the Serpent then make sure you have Serpents Bite under your Trapper pargaon 5/5 max.

5. Use rapid strike or rapid shot twice on the target dummy to build 2 stacks of Aspect of the Serpent. *Note these buffs stay with you they don't fall off untill you use the opposite stance but even then you'll just have a different icon yellowish gold bow or two swords with a "2" in the lower right hand corner of the buff bar.

6. Once you confirm you have the buff bring up your character stats.

7. Next go to Offensive and Healing then look at your critical chance. Remember, it write down, or screen shot it.

8. Lastly unequip Aspect of the Serpent then look once more at your character stats under Offensive and Healing you will notice your critical chance is exactly the same!

9. This is because it is buffing you but subtracting from your white base crit number suppose to be adding 5% not 4%. You can see this when you hover over critical chance under offensive and healing. It equals exactly the same overall when it shouldn't.

*Also make sure your not wearing a black dragon or simliar glyph that grants critical strike it will change your critical chance making you think serpents bite is working.

wdj40

How can you tell its not adding 2.5% to each stack?

alliera7311

Unequip your aspect of the seperent then look at your critical chance and remember it. Next equip aspect of the serpent enter combat use each encounter one at a time and check your critical chance again every time you use a power. Be fast because the buff is timed. You will noticed your critical chance was the same as it was without serpent. Might be a display issue, but if not it's safe to assume we are not getting 5% dmg per stack either.

alliera7311

Post your races too and if your all seeing the same issue lets submit a bug!

wdj40

Hmmmm I`ve learnt not to trust the stats screen for things like that, for instance the defence buff from Oak Skin does not show there. The Control Bonus % increase items/companions does not increase the stats screen etc etc.

Its really hard to test things like that and a game dev is probably better to see if it works

I`d need to use 2 re-training tokens to test the damage numbers with the Feat and without. I`ve never had a set up where I do not put puts into the Feat.

alliera7311

I cant confirm or deny it's bugged however the critical chance should pop up in the character stats page during combat like many boons, active bonuses, and buffs. It doesn't however. Iv wasted two tokens messing with it. Critical chance was the same without it.

finalfantasyac7

Hunter ranger trapper - human female. Serpents bite is not adding 2.5% critical chance per stack. Have tested several time on different enemies.

alliera7311

What about the 5% damage increase per stack?

alliera7311

Iv tried dragonborn, human, and the new moon elf race. When I have 2 stacks of Aspect of the Serpent which is the max indicated by a yellow bow, or two swords under your buff bar with the number "2" on the bottom right hand side of the buff icon. There is no visual indication that we are getting 2.5%critical chance per stack in your critical chance tab under your offensive and healing tab. Please I encourage you guys to look and test it for yourself!

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alliera7311

Hmm well maybe with underdark it gets fixed.

alliera7311

I have read the release patch notes for underdark and doesn't say either that relates to this topic.

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alliera7311

I have and will but they don't take anything seriously untill enough notice it.

alliera7311

I spoke with a admin and he said they are aware of it.

wdj40

Why is this in the PvP section and not in the bug report section?

Anyhoo are you guys sure this is not working?? I just used up 2 re-training tokens and its actually fairly hard to test. But from my observations without any points in Serpents Bite it felt like I was getting heck of a lot less Crits.

Also with 5 points in the power most of my Crits were over 20k, without any points in the power I noticed that not very many crits were that high. But as I said this is just from personal observation and looking at the combat logs etc.

Maybe its like Vorpal and does not show in the stats, or Oak Skin (Ive proved it raised DR even though the stats screen does not show this). Also Control Bonus % items/companions also do not show in the stats screen but they do work.

ralexinor

http://www.arcgames.com/en/forums/neverwinter#/discussion/548324/list-of-mod-5-preview-hr-bugs/p1

You're welcome.

Link on that thread to the extended explanation of this bug is broken and I cbf editting it - detailed explanation of serpent bite display issue: http://forum.arcgames.com/neverwinter/discussion/comment/4272803/#Comment_4272803

wdj40

ralexinor said:

http://www.arcgames.com/en/forums/neverwinter#/discussion/548324/list-of-mod-5-preview-hr-bugs/p1

You're welcome.

Link on that thread to the extended explanation of this bug is broken and I cbf editting it - detailed explanation of serpent bite display issue: http://forum.arcgames.com/neverwinter/discussion/comment/4272803/#Comment_4272803

Thank you for the info dude, from what I read on there Serpents Bite is actually working but it just does not display it?

Also that thread was started was back in 2014 and last time it was updated was June 2015 which is quite a long time ago. Have they all been confirmed as still bugged?

alliera7311

I moved it here because nobody will freaken comment on it anywhere else. Once there are enough information and comments I'll move it back to the bug report section. Read through all those links I figured it might just be a display issue, but you never know was kinda surprised of the difference with or without serpents.

aspergersrules

I still wish I didn't used any points on aspect of serpent.. It doesn't even work at all. The damage doesn't even change.

wdj40

aspergersrules said:

I still wish I didn't used any points on aspect of serpent.. It doesn't even work at all. The damage doesn't even change.

It works for everyone else dude, maybe you should post some more details like your rotations/level etc and why you think it is not working.

alliera7311

I turned it off and used Pack and Blade Strom pretty good build. Noticed no difference in dmg though.

wdj40

alliera7311 said:

I turned it off and used Pack and Blade Strom pretty good build. Noticed no difference in dmg though.

Here are some numbers I did a while back... my build has changed and improved since I did these...

Constricting Arrow with AotS after a stance change :
Critical 19538 + 17087x4 = 87886
Critical 18851 + 16168x4 = 83523
Critical 19810 + 18230x4 = 92730
Non-Crit 8530 + 7498x4 = 38522
Non-Crit 7541 + 7759x4 = 38577
Non-Crit 7370 + 7768x4 = 38442

Constricting Arrow without AotS, no stance change :
Critical 14833 + 13116x4 = 67297
Critical 12794 + 11801x4 = 59998
Critical 13061 + 13267x4 = 66129
Non-Crit 5231 + 5344x4 = 21376
Non-Crit 6186 + 5264x4 = 27242
Non-Crit 5400 + 5398x4 = 26992

Binding Shot with AotS after a stance change :
Critical 21053 + 16101x4 = 85457
Critical 24325 + 18923x4 = 100,017
Critical 20821 + 15716x4 = 83685
Non-Crit 7686 + 6532x4 = 33814
Non-Crit 8297 + 5737x4 = 31245
Non-Crit 7883 + 6395x4 = 33463

Binding Shot without AotS, no stance change :
Critical 12846 + 11521x4 = 58930
Critical 13049 + 12847x4 = 64437
Critical 12540 + 13612x4 = 66988
Non-Crit 5282 + 4899x4 = 24878
Non-Crit 5903 + 4737x4 = 24851
Non-Crit 5716 + 4911x4 = 25360

You can see the difference

alliera7311

Stance change test without serpent would more be accurate. Another thing too are you Procing bitting snares and master trapper?

alliera7311

Also sperent doesn't build it's dmg on a stance change. There are just to many variables that are producing those spikes. When you switch your getting a automatic 3% dmg boost from your feat. If you Crt on anything and have trappers cunning active it will proc biting snares triggering 30% more dmg for 10 secs and etc. To purely use that data to determine if serpents works as it should would be inaccurate.

wdj40

alliera7311 said:

Stance change test without serpent would more be accurate. Another thing too are you Procing bitting snares and master trapper?

No I made sure Biting Snares and/or Master Trapper were not active at the time of testing. What I forgot to mention is that on the numbers above with AtoS active they also had Agile Combatant active... the numbers without AtoS did not have Agile Combatant active.

Technically Serpent does build its damage on a stance change, as you have to change stances to use stacks of it up (extra damage and crit chance) and apply the opposite version of AtoS. Without a stance change you would never benefit from it.

wdj40

alliera7311 said:

Also sperent doesn't build it's dmg on a stance change. There are just to many variables that are producing those spikes. When you switch your getting a automatic 3% dmg boost from your feat. If you Crt on anything and have trappers cunning active it will proc biting snares triggering 30% more dmg for 10 secs and etc. To purely use that data to determine if serpents works as it should would be inaccurate.

As I said no Master Trapper or Biting Snares were active on any of the numbers

alliera7311

I did more extensive testing on just the dmg buff serpent gives with serpents bite. Each is 15% up to two stacks but the dmg buff only works for that picular stance. At two range your dmg is increased by 30%. Also the Critical Chance buff 2.5% per stack is sub stracting it from our white base critical. Still equaly the same overall critical chance. Even though it says buffs 4% which is incorrect supposed to be 5%. Also, on all characters there's a default critical chance of 5% regardless of race.

wdj40

alliera7311 said:

I did more extensive testing on just the dmg buff serpent gives with serpents bite. Each is 15% up to two stacks but the dmg buff only works for that picular stance. At two range your dmg is increased by 30%. Also the Critical Chance buff 2.5% per stack is sub stracting it from our modified by other attributes critical chance. Still equaly the same overall critical chance. Even though it says buffs 4% which is in correct supposed to be 5%. Also, on all characters there's a default critical chance of 5% not coming from wisdom either. Dragon born also doesn't work too.

Yeah its probably why Careful Attack can be really useful in some situations, every time an Ally hits an enemy effected by it you gain a Ranged stack of AtoS. I generally use it on an enemy with high HP but only after 3-6 stacks of Companions Gift and Master Trapper activated as well as 2 stacks of Melee AtoS. It should then hopefully Crit and the trigger from Careful attacks are Crits and they also proc Lostmauth Set, Tenebrous Enchant and sometimes some other things.

When you have Careful Attack up whilst in a group you generally always have 2 stacks of Ranged AotS up. To get a melee version you generally need to add At-Wills into the rotation, I have my rotations down now so when Careful Attack is up I sometimes have 2 Hunters Teamworks fired off quickly in mind-rotation which end up giving me 1 stack of Melee AotS for Hindering Strike, then 2 stacks of Ranged AtoS are back up.

When I am online later I`ll do a 5min vid of a run whilst in a group to show people what I mean as it can be quite confusing. Basically though Careful Attack makes your ranged powers much better than melee unless you compensate slightly. Also if people use Constricting Arrow/SB instead of Hindering Shot/Strike then Careful attack can be much better for them, whereas people who use HS/HS over CA/SB would need to adjust their rotations to get the most DPS out of it.

alliera7311

Andy is looking into it as well. Btw I edited my previous post. Dragonborn works fine and serpents bite is subtracting from our white base crit. All races and class have a 5% base crit chance even at lv 1 naked. This is not to be mistaken for wisdom either. Side note it would take 16500 critical strike for roughly 1% critical chance as a dragonborn and same with power...food for thought guys/gals.

alliera7311

I agree with all of that. Curious how your getting gift that high though.