Guilds and Stronghold will become a not so safe place IMHO unless your the guild leader

randomdigits

Seeing how from hundreds of active guilds at the early launch of Mod 5 we went to just half a dozen (see the pinned thread in this forum) makes me highly skeptical that PvP part of Strongholds is going to be of any importance to the majority of remaining NW XB1 community.

One of the main reasons imho is that on PC guilds could be held together through keyboard chat, on Xbox the chat is pretty much dysfunctional and voice chat is used primarily by the hardcore players.

armadeonx

I'm fine with the thought of everyone including myself donating small but regular amounts of AD and gold toward a stonghold. E.g. if all 150 members donate 2k AD and 5 gold per week that's 300k AD and 750g every week toward upgrades - plus all the mining/farming whatever.

I'm actually planning on putting an upfront 50k AD and 200g to help kick things off - bear in mind I'm not rich like some. Across 3 characters I currently have about 100k AD and 550g so for me that's a decent amount. The only thing that concerns me is security on investment - there isn't any. Marks are ok as a way of ensuring you have a personal capital return from your farming efforts but it doesn't transfer any building/input credit to your new guild which would make you a 'good pick' for a guild you're applying to.

I think at the absolute very least they should introduce a ranked title system (like professions) that show whether you're a good donator - that would be attractive to a new guild as it show you're a person who pulls your weight.

regenerde

Well, i'm trying to get a full list of costs for Strongholds here
http://forum.arcgames.com/neverwinter/discussion/1206948/total-stronghold-costs
but no usefull answer at the moment in there.

There was a thread somewhere about those actual costs, and there it was stated, that building and upgrading a Stronghold will cost you millions of AD alone.
Then add to those costs of course gold, enchantments, equipment, influence (with a daily cap per character of course), shards from PvE and PvP daily quests, and campaign currency.

Building and upgrading costs time too, i think somewhere 190 days in total were mentioned.

Are you starting to get the picture?

ironzerg79

First, the guild Stronghold is meant to be a project that could take months and months, if not years. It's not something that's mean to be "finished" in one module. Don't go in with the expectation that it's going to be built quickly.

Second, it's foolish for guild leaders to kick someone who's regularly contributing to the guild over petty stuff...why? See point one. If you kick people who are actively donating, your progress is going to stall. If your progress stalls, people are going to get even more frustrated and leave (especially knowing that a good donor was booted). Your guild is then going to shrivel up and die.

Third, if this is your guild, and you're worried that you guild leader is such a [bad kitten] that he could randomly kick people out on a whim, leave now. Don't even risk it. There's plenty of guilds looking for great people. Abandon ship now before you even start donating.

Fourth, if you DO get kicked out a guild, all you lose is what you've donated. Your keep anything you've purchased from the market, and any guild marks you've accumulated. You'll also lose access to that guild's boons, but again...these things are expensive and take a long time to build...you're better off in the long run getting kicked and joining a real guild, then live under the fear and shadow of a dictator GL.

blindmonkeyz

^^^ Very well said. I am a co-leader myself and we just absorbed a few guilds into ours to become stronger, we have on average of 26 players at all times throughout the day and night. Only time we would even kick someone would be if they were inactive for 2 months without telling us they are inactive. Otherwise we wont kick anyone. Everyone needs a home, a guild is a home on Neverwinter. I wish all of the other guilds the best and lets enjoy this fun game

regenerde

Correct me if i'm wrong, but there is no help from the support and no refund at all, when you invest real money into your guild, but some day just get kicked out of it.
When push comes to shove, you lose your investment and that's it.

amafia313

@ironzerg79 ok just to clear one thing up. You said you lose access to the boons if you get kicked. What if you already acquired the boons on your character and you leave/get kicked? Will you boons be removed from you character?

regenerde

There're campaign boons, and there're guild boons.
Campaign boons stick to your character.
Guild boons only work as long as you are part of that guild.

amafia313

^^^^ that is bs

regenerde

link http://neverwinter.gamepedia.com/Stronghold is from @magenubbie
and the costs for Stronghold buildings and upgrades are in there.
this should give you an idea of what to expect from Strongholds for you and your guild.

blindmonkeyz

good reading, thanks. i passed that to my guild on our social media.

All i got to say is find an active guild, and a guild leader who is a team player and always there for his guild like the guild i am in. There are guilds out there who wont boot people just because. If your concerned, talk to some guild leaders and see how they are. play some dungeons with them. get a feel for the guild leader on dungeon runs and then decide what you want to do. But its unfortunate what some do. But i can guarantee my guild leader wont do that.

mrwilsonva

The real issue comes down to Guild Selection and "Trust". These are hard issues that everyone will have to work through. Remember, if you join a Guild with all the boons unlocked, you get them with no investment on your part.

raymond00713

Yeah just like mrwilsonva and many others have said, one side of it is that you can invest a lot and lose boons. The other side is you can invest nothing and join a guild with boons.

If you're booted through no fault of your own than you should have no problem joining a guild at an equal or greater level than your old one.

djionicsxb1

And the wonder why someone built a stonghold guild on the PC version and then sold it externally, the new leader came in and apparently kicked everyone.

Its almost like someone built it threw crowdfunding and then got told thanks for your free help, now we will bring in people who will pay to stay or join the rewards that you have so kindly helped us build.

There are so many bad points to the way this is being done. It will come down to those who have those who havent, those who put the time in, those who dont and finally those who will pay (maybe) to get the extra or already put enough in to be allowed to stay in the said guild.

Trust is hard when its a pixel and one button can take away from you all you have worked for by others. Hardline, many decisions to be made in the next week before it drops.

randomdigits

Forgive me a noob questions, but is there a particular balancing mechanics in the Stronghold module which prevents all players from bunching up into a single super-powerful guild?
P.S. I'm not a guild member.

armadeonx

Well you have a member cap of 150 players but you can be highly selective as to who joins ofc. Top pvp guilds do it - you can only join if you have stats that will support their win ratio and thereby reputation.

Just being a member of some of them is a badge saying "I've got a leet gear score" lol.

regenerde

... and that would be the other thing, guilds with an upgraded Stronghold won't just invite anyone into their guild.

If you have the right ItemLevel, then that might not become a problem for you.
If your IL is low, then you might have to put a lot of time or money into your character, before you get access to a market and those guild boons again.

Anyway, Xbox players can see how Strongholds is working on the PC side before the module is released, what they do with that knowledge is up to them.

stercesderised

ironzerg79 said:

First, the guild Stronghold is meant to be a project that could take months and months, if not years. It's not something that's mean to be "finished" in one module. Don't go in with the expectation that it's going to be built quickly.

Second, it's foolish for guild leaders to kick someone who's regularly contributing to the guild over petty stuff...why? See point one. If you kick people who are actively donating, your progress is going to stall. If your progress stalls, people are going to get even more frustrated and leave (especially knowing that a good donor was booted). Your guild is then going to shrivel up and die.

Third, if this is your guild, and you're worried that you guild leader is such a [bad kitten] that he could randomly kick people out on a whim, leave now. Don't even risk it. There's plenty of guilds looking for great people. Abandon ship now before you even start donating.

Fourth, if you DO get kicked out a guild, all you lose is what you've donated. Your keep anything you've purchased from the market, and any guild marks you've accumulated. You'll also lose access to that guild's boons, but again...these things are expensive and take a long time to build...you're better off in the long run getting kicked and joining a real guild, then live under the fear and shadow of a dictator GL.

Well said.

randomdigits

Could the guild lead easily see how much has everyone contributed to Stronghold? Or does one need to browse some logs?