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Negation being reworked or not?

anesadinganesading Member Posts: 83 Arc User
in General Discussion (PC)
Can't tell if it's players trying to affect the market or if its really happening...

Where is this info coming from? With all the reworks they do I wouldn't be suprised.

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  • ironzerg79ironzerg79 Member, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 4,942 Arc User
    No. But it was changed to be affected by Armor Penetration. So it's not quite as good as it was, but it's still probably the best enchant for PvP.
    "Meanwhile in the moderator's lounge..."
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  • flambridgeflambridge Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 191 Arc User
    edited October 2015
    Yep, need rework.

    Negation + high CON = Invulnerable

    It is "highlander enchant".
  • banaancbanaanc Member Posts: 472 Arc User
    flambridge said:

    Yep, need rework.

    Negation + high CON = Invulnerable

    It is "highlander enchant".

    aka. i dont have it, please nerf everything i dont have and buff everything i have

  • rayrdanrayrdan Member Posts: 5,410 Arc User
    its already reworked, it many cases its like not having an enchant at all
  • schietindebuxschietindebux Member Posts: 4,292 Arc User
    You know how much Arp is needed assuming Arp resist is about 64% to negate a T Negation fully?
  • rayrdanrayrdan Member Posts: 5,410 Arc User
    edited October 2015
    schietindebux said:

    You know how much Arp is needed assuming Arp resist is about 64% to negate a T Negation fully?

    @schietindebux

    an additional 8300 armor pen, a lot but still doable.
    lets consider a common build with 7k armor pen [no sh boon, no armor pen mount] vs a common class for example an hr with his 14% dr + negation.
    to mitigate that base 14% you need 14/(1-0.64) = 3800
    so you are left with 3200 armor pen to counter negation which is 32% armor pen 32*0.36=11.5%
    negation at full stack is granting 18.5% additional dr.
    a lot, probably needs adjustaments but far from being unkillable like the op is saying.

    but you know what, i probably need one too thinking twice xD
  • schietindebuxschietindebux Member Posts: 4,292 Arc User
    Do the math for it please ,
  • rayrdanrayrdan Member Posts: 5,410 Arc User
    schietindebux said:

    Do the math for it please ,

    ye the initial number is wrong i updated
  • schietindebuxschietindebux Member Posts: 4,292 Arc User
    edited October 2015
    hm, sadly the math pros left this game, so I try my math
    my warlock has 8419 arp thats 78,5% resistance ignored

    your hunter
    14%base+30% T negation=44%
    40+ from tenacity 84% cap at 80%
    lets take 60% arp resist
    so 78,5x 0,6 =47,1
    80-47,1 = 33% thats what is left after arp resist

    44 x 0,33 = 14,52
    44-14,52 = 29,48% thats what is left from soft DR + 40% tenacity 69,48% DR
    so I reduced T negation 30 x (1-0,33) from 30% to about 20% with 8419 arp
    14 x (1-0,33) 9,38%

    Or did they change anything else since mod 6 except the fact that negation is affectd by arp?
    all in all you would deal about 1/3 more damage reducing the DR from 80% down to 69,5% i think

  • rayrdanrayrdan Member Posts: 5,410 Arc User
    "To about 20" when my result is 18.5
    "The math pros left"

    Ok xD
  • santralafaxsantralafax Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 2,896 Arc User
    edited October 2015
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  • santralafaxsantralafax Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 2,896 Arc User
    rayrdan said:

    its already reworked, it many cases its like not having an enchant at all

    Agreed. It is much less effective now that arpen cuts through it. Not to mention the ugly halo circling you.
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  • santralafaxsantralafax Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 2,896 Arc User
    edited October 2015
    morenthar said:




    I'm still waiting for someone who says it's useless to trade their Trans Negation for my Trans Barkshield. I'll be waiting a long time.

    I used to have Fireburst, which I can tell you is nearly worthless. After some time I went out and got Negation. I don't particularly like it, but there it is. Perhaps you should request a buff to Barkshield.

    I hated to get rid of Fireburst--it was the coolest looking enchant, IMO.
  • flambridgeflambridge Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 191 Arc User
    banaanc said:

    flambridge said:

    Yep, need rework.

    Negation + high CON = Invulnerable

    It is "highlander enchant".

    aka. i dont have it, please nerf everything i dont have and buff everything i have
    No way.
    Im dont have a Negation only for RP question (im a FIRE mage of a FIRE mage family). XD
    If I want, I take it... XD

  • fdsakhfduewhfiuffdsakhfduewhfiuf Member Posts: 604 Arc User
    schietindebux said:


    40+ from tenacity 84% cap at 80%

    I remember a post from a dev saying that the cap was applied after ArP. So something like max(80%, DR-ArP).

    So the DR in your example might actually be higher.
  • schietindebuxschietindebux Member Posts: 4,292 Arc User
    So its additive and not multiplikative in mod 7?
    I am pretty sure the last changes in mod 6 were multiplicative?
    Meaning 44% x ((1- (0,78x0,4))
    And not 44%-78%(x0,4)
    Mod 6 was a plain unmitagateable DR oft about 40+30% (negation) only penetrated by Mark ,piercing damage , bronzewood and some other stuff
    But its possible I am wrong
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