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Have seen an OP 2.4k (Devotion) doubling the DPS of a CW 2.2k (Thaumaturge) and an HR 2.4k (Trapper)

arcofortep12arcofortep12 Member Posts: 2,265 Arc User
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And he was healing just good. I can't believe a healer can be such a Striker. Isn't there something wrong? What about class balancing? :o

It had a Greater Vorpal and a Tiamat set, everything else just standard purple equipment.
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  • ghoulz66ghoulz66 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 3,748 Arc User
    One module later, two module later, prism still left untouched....

    Combined with burning guidance, bond of virtue, vow, high ArP, you can just melt things by simply getting near them. It's even more lazy than a GWF.

    And don't give me the BS excuse that prism is fine because it is in no shape or form balanced at all. I'm getting tired of all this unbalanced HAMSTER. perma daze trappers, gift of haste is too powerful, THIS.

    It doesn't even have to be a devotion OP, a tank with prism can replace a healer in a dungeon.
  • thefabricantthefabricant Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 5,248 Arc User
    try read my forum signature arco. I have done more damage then a 5k gwf with my build, with the right party setup.
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  • drkbodhidrkbodhi Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 2,378 Arc User
    I was in a legit Pug in eCC... where I did 75 million damage. The OP tank did just as much damage... and he joined the run after I did.​​
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  • thefabricantthefabricant Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 5,248 Arc User
    edited September 2015
    drkbodhi said:

    I was in a legit Pug in eCC... where I did 75 million damage. The OP tank did just as much damage... and he joined the run after I did.​​

    Tank paladins aren't actually dealing nearly as much damage as it appears. If you look at damage taken, the number is always close to damage dealt. This is because they have daily powers and encounter powers that absorb the entire parties incoming damage and then deal it to them. This causes it to dramatically inflate their "damage dealt" as the damage they deal to themselves, because it is dealt via their encounter powers or daily powers, is therefore counted towards paingiver.
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  • drkbodhidrkbodhi Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 2,378 Arc User
    His damage was no where near the amount of damage he took. He ended up dealing 71 million damage and he did 3/4 of eCC. The damage he took was no more that 13 million.​​
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  • thefabricantthefabricant Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 5,248 Arc User
    edited September 2015
    arcofortep12 said:

    Now even strikers should feel useless? It's very much time devs begin to look at paladins because they are a joke, both in PVP and PVE they are too much overpowered. :(

    http://www.arcgames.com/en/forums/neverwinter/#/discussion/1201570/paladin-balance-suggestions

    This is known and even those of us who play paladins feel it should be fixed. Devotion is probably more overpowered then protection, if you have experimented with it properly. Both paragons are broken OP though.
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  • darkstarcrashdarkstarcrash Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,382 Arc User
    It's not so much the paladin powers as the interaction with the Burning Guidance boon from DR.

    I'm starting to think it's time to remove that boon, or at least put a 3-second ICD on it.

    I won't take BG on my DC or OP --which is too bad, because it was nice to contribute some dps to the run. But this broken of a boon shouldn't continue.
  • commanderdata002commanderdata002 Member Posts: 312 Arc User
    edited September 2015
    Doubling the dmg of a CW?!?

    Soon everybody will do that...
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  • silverkeltsilverkelt Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 4,235 Arc User
    Take bg with your dc.. wont matter, its barely a uptick (like 20% more damage max) pathetic dps is pathetic.

    Typically when Im healing on my DC.. (thought I wouldnt call it that with a OP around) the tank will have 5-6x the damage my DC can generate, even if they slash it, they will have 2-3x the dps total.






  • thefabricantthefabricant Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 5,248 Arc User
    silverkelt said:

    Take bg with your dc.. wont matter, its barely a uptick (like 20% more damage max) pathetic dps is pathetic.

    Typically when Im healing on my DC.. (thought I wouldnt call it that with a OP around) the tank will have 5-6x the damage my DC can generate, even if they slash it, they will have 2-3x the dps total.






    Yeah, with BG, its the number of heals that matter , not how big the heals are. DC's specced for healing can put out some large heals (still small compared to my 2M heals with divine call) but they cannot put out heals fast enough for BG to become OP on them. My OP can put out close to 600 heals a second in a 5 man group, that is easily enough to make BG OP.
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  • commanderdata002commanderdata002 Member Posts: 312 Arc User
    arcofortep12 said:

    e toned down, my CW agree. Or better: hurt CC in DPS builds, they excel at everything.

    I despise Paladins, I prefer to run without them for a better challenging run. They own in PVP too, can resist 3 players and beat one in secs.

    It should not!
    I guess "your" CW is just some alt one!

    CC tone down is fine if it comes with dps boost!



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  • commanderdata002commanderdata002 Member Posts: 312 Arc User
    arcofortep12 said:

    It's already high, why you want to boost it even more?

    My alts are all mains (even if the rogue don't make me particularly happy actually).

    High?

    SW/GWFs do 2-2,5 times better in T2.
    HRs/TRs and even righteus DCs are doing more dmg!

    Try do runs with 3IL+ party aside from pugs in lfg...!

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  • commanderdata002commanderdata002 Member Posts: 312 Arc User
    edited September 2015
    arcofortep12 said:

    commanderdata002 said:

    arcofortep12 said:

    It's already high, why you want to boost it even more?

    My alts are all mains (even if the rogue don't make me particularly happy actually).

    High?

    SW/GWFs do 2-2,5 times better in T2.
    HRs/TRs and even righteus DCs are doing more dmg!

    Try do runs with 3IL+ party aside from pugs in lfg...!

    But they are strikers, they are supposed to do more damage, what's bad is TR/HR damage. At least TR can be optimized for boss fight.

    A CW is primarily a controller, should do far less DPS than a striker. They do match HR/TR instead, no good.
    Controller only means aoe dps but you guys will repeat this nonsense till grave did ya?



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  • szejhuludpuchaczszejhuludpuchacz Member Posts: 306 Arc User
    edited September 2015
    Im not dealing much damage on my OP tank unless we run with GF using KV (even then im just like ~3rd) or party is just bad in DPS terms -> long fights=more damage deflected. I have pugging kessell for daily ad on tank and met op healer... He dealt alot damage from nowhere folowing me and my bubble... DPS players in that party could only dream about dealing those numbers. Funny fact, there were GWF and SW or TR...
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  • onegaki101onegaki101 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 327 Arc User
    For tanks, Paingiver and ACT provide incorrect data. A lot of damage that tanks to do themselves due to powers is calculated as damaged dealt. It may look like they are doing more damage, but most of the time they are not. They might do around 20k dps which is not bad dps, but a true dps player should be way above that. Most dps should be at 30~50k dps without other classes' buffs. Exceptional dps would be around 70k+.

    With proper party buffs, many can reach close to 300k+ dps. Highest I've reached on my gwf is 450k dps. Saying a healer class (which can be spec to dps) dealing a lot more damage than dps center classes means nothing as those playing the dps classes might just simply suck.

    In this game, it is more about your skill rotation rather than your gear that will make you do awesome dps. Very few understand this, but it's been going on for seven mods, so why bother thinking differently?


  • thefabricantthefabricant Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 5,248 Arc User
    onegaki101 said:

    For tanks, Paingiver and ACT provide incorrect data. A lot of damage that tanks to do themselves due to powers is calculated as damaged dealt. It may look like they are doing more damage, but most of the time they are not. They might do around 20k dps which is not bad dps, but a true dps player should be way above that. Most dps should be at 30~50k dps without other classes' buffs. Exceptional dps would be around 70k+.

    With proper party buffs, many can reach close to 300k+ dps. Highest I've reached on my gwf is 450k dps. Saying a healer class (which can be spec to dps) dealing a lot more damage than dps center classes means nothing as those playing the dps classes might just simply suck.

    In this game, it is more about your skill rotation rather than your gear that will make you do awesome dps. Very few understand this, but it's been going on for seven mods, so why bother thinking differently?


    The issue is that Dev pallies can, in the right circumstances, deal more damage then a properly geared and played GWF/SW.
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  • vordaynvordayn Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,283 Arc User
    arcofortep12 said:

    commanderdata002 said:

    arcofortep12 said:

    It's already high, why you want to boost it even more?

    My alts are all mains (even if the rogue don't make me particularly happy actually).

    High?

    SW/GWFs do 2-2,5 times better in T2.
    HRs/TRs and even righteus DCs are doing more dmg!

    Try do runs with 3IL+ party aside from pugs in lfg...!

    But they are strikers, they are supposed to do more damage, what's bad is TR/HR damage. At least TR can be optimized for boss fight.

    A CW is primarily a controller, should do far less DPS than a striker. They do match HR/TR instead, no good.
    Quit trolling. You can build a CW to be DPS instead of control. If you've seen one of these in a dungeon run and want to turn down CW dps because of it, then you are misguided.
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  • vordaynvordayn Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,283 Arc User
    OPs are overpowered in defense in PvP and PvE. Doing more damage than striker classes in dungeons is icing on the cake. The Devs haven't done anything about it, and from their track record, it's probably low on their list of things to 'fix'.
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  • commanderdata002commanderdata002 Member Posts: 312 Arc User
    vordayn said:

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    Quit trolling. You can build a CW to be DPS instead of control. If you've seen one of these in a dungeon run and want to turn down CW dps because of it, then you are misguided.


    CW can have dps options indeed. Even DC has it with rigtheus and GF with conqueror!
    But its almost a joke now.
    Maybe in 2k IL level its aceptable but in 3kIL level its a joke compared to other dps classes...
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  • blinxonblinxon Member Posts: 567 Arc User
    commanderdata002 said:


    Controller only means aoe dps but you guys will repeat this nonsense till grave did ya?

    You sir, made my day :)

    Pathetic...
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  • umscheumsche Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 461 Arc User
    CW dps is fine it really doesn't need to be toned down, it's the lowest amongst all the striker classes.
  • silverkeltsilverkelt Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 4,235 Arc User
    Are you insane, cws dps is lowest of all dps classes.. there isnt enough CC to warrant it actually, as both trs and hrs can both cc effectively and both of those classes can out dps the CW. The game doesnt even need CWs cc for the most part.

    People are doing the same thing to the CW as they did to the old GWF class when it was boss, reliving the past and not seeing the present.

    Frankly I think a small DPS buff is warranted to the CW class actually.. I believe the crit on storm spell class feat should be tied into crit chance to the player. upping damage slightly.



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  • umscheumsche Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 461 Arc User
    arcofortep12 said:

    Again... it's not a striker. And I do think it match HR.

    And what's the role of a class that has a power called DISINTEGRATE ?
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