No AD from Leadership vs Account shared profession slots

banaanc

They removed AD from leadership to prevent ppl from gaining too much ad from leadership slots, wouldnt it be better to leave ad there, adjust profession rewards/times and make profession slots account wide instead of /character ? this way ppl with few characters would still get good use from professions including leadership while ppl with alt armies couldnt abuse, as it is now ppl still can abuse leadership armies to get a lot of RP, but there are other things that can be abused - reinforcements, unified elements etc. + if they add good rewards to other professions those will be abused too

also with shared slots more ppl will buy purple profession assets since they wont be able to just make another character, also leadership assets will be better investment as they would pay for themselves faster, before leadership changes it would take half a year+ for a hero to pay off, another + is that it would reduce time ppl spend doing boring stuff - professions and increase time they can actually play the game, making dungeon and pvp queues better

This way ppl who dont have a time to run dungeons for 5 hours a day/play every day would still get some steady ad income with less chances of being abused

bots would still be a problem, but removal of AD from leadership doesnt change much for them, there is less income, but they can just make 500 more accounts and farm invoking + RP, this should be solved by monitoring AH trades and flagging accounts with weird trades.

darkstarcrash

You point out the problem with your "solution" right in your post: "...(bots) can just make 500 more accounts.."

Allowing AD from leadership but limiting useable slots per account would hurt legit players with multiple alts, but be free AD for botters who use lots of free 2-character accounts.

theycallmetomu

Barring accusations of P2W, what about if leadership AD had a one time zen cost?

That way, you're increasing the cost of production for bot leadership armies. You ban accounts, they make new accounts, but for every account that a botter makes, Cryptic gets 10 dollars.

banaanc

darkstarcrash said:

You point out the problem with your "solution" right in your post: "...(bots) can just make 500 more accounts.."

Allowing AD from leadership but limiting useable slots per account would hurt legit players with multiple alts, but be free AD for botters who use lots of free 2-character accounts.

neither of these changes harm bots, but both can help fight ppl with 50 characters in account abusing leadership - this leadership change seems to be more aimed at them. there would still be need to unlock slots and other stuff for ppl who have multiple accounts but manage them manually

bots can make unlimited accounts so this will not stop them anyway, even if account can get 1 AD from any easy to bot source they can just make million accounts, to fight bots best way would be flagging weird sales/trades since they probably need to get ad to main acc and other anti botting measures like harder to register account for a bot, random quiz on login etc.

santralafax

This isn't about bots. This is about getting people to PAY vs play over time. Cryptic wants you to pay for the game with DOLLARS--no ad? No problem. Just pony up.

The bot thiing is a red herring, also known as a lie.

There is no reason they needed to lower the income from dailies if they were concerned about bots, but it was one more way to turn the screw.

banaanc

santralafax said:

This isn't about bots. This is about getting people to PAY vs play over time. Cryptic wants you to pay for the game with DOLLARS--no ad? No problem. Just pony up.

The bot thiing is a red herring, also known as a lie.

There is no reason they needed to lower the income from dailies if they were concerned about bots, but it was one more way to turn the screw.

daily quests were an annoyance if they fully compensated ad loss from the quests by increased ad reward on first dungeon run i wouldnt miss them, or they could merge them with stronghold quests, and later move them to next mod quests

tripsofthrymr

There are good solutions to achieve this end, all of which are tied to characters that collect AD for leadership doing something relatively hard-to-bot (or hard to do legitimately 50 times a day or a week), and to an actual effort to remove bots.

dsn1118

santralafax said:

This isn't about bots. This is about getting people to PAY vs play over time. Cryptic wants you to pay for the game with DOLLARS--no ad? No problem. Just pony up.

The bot thiing is a red herring, also known as a lie.

There is no reason they needed to lower the income from dailies if they were concerned about bots, but it was one more way to turn the screw.

Where do you get the idea that this is not about bots.Have you been tracking botter sites?Do you know what they have been up to?Please dont comment from your HAMSTER like you know everything.

santralafax

banaanc said:

santralafax said:

This isn't about bots. This is about getting people to PAY vs play over time. Cryptic wants you to pay for the game with DOLLARS--no ad? No problem. Just pony up.

The bot thiing is a red herring, also known as a lie.

There is no reason they needed to lower the income from dailies if they were concerned about bots, but it was one more way to turn the screw.

daily quests were an annoyance if they fully compensated ad loss from the quests by increased ad reward on first dungeon run i wouldnt miss them, or they could merge them with stronghold quests, and later move them to next mod quests

But what did that have to do with bots or Leadership armies? Nothing. And it was a second nerf on income.

santralafax

dsn1118 said:

santralafax said:

This isn't about bots. This is about getting people to PAY vs play over time. Cryptic wants you to pay for the game with DOLLARS--no ad? No problem. Just pony up.

The bot thiing is a red herring, also known as a lie.

There is no reason they needed to lower the income from dailies if they were concerned about bots, but it was one more way to turn the screw.

Where do you get the idea that this is not about bots.Have you been tracking botter sites?Do you know what they have been up to?Please dont comment from your HAMSTER like you know everything.

There were many other options if this was about bots, and bots don't explain what happened to the dailies. They could have dropped leadership to an account maximum of 24K. Bots could have been part of it, but it doesn't explain their implementation.

tom40s

They should bring back leadership AD a lot of us worked hard to get it up to level 20 and then to level 25 and for the sole purpose of making characters stronger. Even with the AD from profession it still takes years to get your character to the point that it is even somewhat a threat in pvp. Now with out the extra astral diamonds it is going to be nearly impossible to level you character up to anything decent especially for new players. Just consider the fact to get an artifact to orange you will have to spend 500,000 astral diamonds for refinement. And that is only one artifact we now have four slots. Then getting any enchantment to level 12 forget it with the new economy unless you have thousands to spend this game is now finished. I have spent a few hundred dollars on this game and sto but at least in sto you get 500 zen a month that you can exchange for dillithium I bought the hero of the north pack and there is no such deal and a lot of people said its not the same model but it really is; there is no difference in the in game economy of Neverwinter compared to Star trek online.

mamalion1234

tom40s said:

They should bring back leadership AD a lot of us worked hard to get it up to level 20 and then to level 25 and for the sole purpose of making characters stronger. Even with the AD from profession it still takes years to get your character to the point that it is even somewhat a threat in pvp. Now with out the extra astral diamonds it is going to be nearly impossible to level you character up to anything decent especially for new players. Just consider the fact to get an artifact to orange you will have to spend 500,000 astral diamonds for refinement. And that is only one artifact we now have four slots. Then getting any enchantment to level 12 forget it with the new economy unless you have thousands to spend this game is now finished. I have spent a few hundred dollars on this game and sto but at least in sto you get 500 zen a month that you can exchange for dillithium I bought the hero of the north pack and there is no such deal and a lot of people said its not the same model but it really is; there is no difference in the in game economy of Neverwinter compared to Star trek online.

when you have leadership armies you dont need 500k astrals to get rp you get for free from the tasks thanks.

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silverkelt

instead of having AD, make leadership give a bound to account gmop on a longish task(limited to 1 per characther while active) being bound, bots cant use, but if its like a 7-10 day task, it gives value back on leadership 25 and YOU can also progress your toons.

This is the best solution for everyone. It gives great value back to leadership and to the slots we purchased. This one "fix" would make most of the players happy again.

regenerde

+ the Devs should put Stronghold vouchers into the former rAD Leadership slots

+ Leadership tasks beyond 12hrs should reward you with a random loyal item for companions

+ the chests from Leadership should be improved too.
-> character level 10-30 white items, with a chance of green.
-> character level 30-60 green items, with a chance of blue.
-> character level 60-70 blue items, with a chance of purple.

And if they want to fight botters, they should send some GMs into the game and let those deal with it.