Course in the end, everyone wants to do all content with as little effort as possible...so the devs just need to figure out: are there making the game for the hardcore, or the casuals?
Why just not setting up several difficulties for all kind of players ? In the past we used to have the choice between normal and epic dongeons.. It should be logical today to have the choice between running dongeon in normal,epic or legendary mode...really dont understand the Dev on this.
Sadly, the end gaming for HL is really poor now.
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thefabricantMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 5,248Arc User
Last night, I saw a paladin holding a Supply Node from 4-5 people from Absolute (AKA people who know how to pvp and are almost all BIS). The paladin (who may even be the one in the video), basically toyed with the attackers, and only once started to actually lost health (I think he went AFK for a sec, because he quickly recovered his temp HP and shields). I half expected him to start dancing.
Fun to see people trying this stuff again. This says to me that the dungeons are about right. 2 people that are well geared or very knowledgeable of their classes (and their classes are complimentary), should be able to duo stuff like this. Kudos on that.
I'm fine if they want to make harder content for those in the higher gear range, but make it so its harder to figure out, not just "You missed, one shot dead, game over, 15 minutes of boss fight wasted". Even WoW doesn't do that, and you can even Rez mid combat there (at least you could). The Mod6 content was simply that - jack up the HP, jack up the damage, call it a day. That wasn't fun. Make things where you need to figure out what to do, not just avoid damage pitfalls. VT is a great example of this.
Course in the end, everyone wants to do all content with as little effort as possible...so the devs just need to figure out: are there making the game for the hardcore, or the casuals?
Myself and many others would like a challenge. We understand that there needs to be some content for people who don't want a challenge, but it would be really nice if there was content that was challenging as well.
I think we got misunderstanding here, I didnt posted this because I cry for harder content of some sort, I posted it because it was some kind of achievement for us, and I think we did pretty well. People usually dont believe when someone says oh a gf, dc and cw killed last ecc boss from 80% till the end, this is why it is recorded. It was also very funny to read that some people thing Ano is some kind of OP from Absolute, gave us good amount of laugh on mumble. When the game itself doesnt provide enough challange we created it for ourselves which is why we did it with two people, and of course for fun. We were also not BiS or anywhere close which seems like a second thing people cant imagine that happened. Sorry but this is how it is, one point I inspect him so you can even see his gear but nvm. I want to say again that it is not IL that makes difference. After some point 2.5k usually its all about effective built and syngergy of skills. Dungeons apart from challange, cause problem with normal/epic was that people were crying out loud on that anyway that they cant do epics for example it so it didnt even matter, real problem is some mechanics that actually require control, dps, healing, maybe some other stuff different than "airphase". Like different floors, uneven ground, not neccesarily ads. Variety is what this game needs most now, cause Im sick of running these dungeons over and over again, needs some other content more rewarding, cause it is no big secret that apart from seals of protector theres no real profit or need to run them, otherwise if you get lucky with drops vt/mc/elol is alot more profitable. After abit challanging egwd you all you get is some seals and purple salvage for 5k. Sad story.
The game is too easy. Even without that group combo. I know a BiS GWF who has soloed etos and I have 2 manned egwd with a 2k group with a pally. You can probably do 3k 2 man with gf and dc.
me, a gf and a hr have "some problems" in tos, and are necessary +1 mof to kill the last boss.
but yes, is really, really necessary create some legendary dungeon or something like that for better geared people and that things.
The dev team here with this type of game seems incapable of making things challeging without essentially requiring perfection or significant overgearing. Its either one shots and 45 minute fights or afk facerolls.
I know some people liked mod 6 and i can appreciate that. However, the overwhelming response was negative.
Even with different tiers of dungeons, people will complain that they cant do the top dungeon and cant get the best gear. This is the result of 2 years of this game being that way.
I think adding content in the form of old dungeons will be a good step one...different tiers of dungeons..addig a third heroiic level beyond epic...would be good too. Just not sure if people will be able to accept that there is some content that they just might not be ready for.
If you think this game is too easy, you should try PvP... no more whacking brainless mobs, but with real people that could out skill/out smart/ out gear you... :O
with very few exceptions its about the same in pvp just catch somebody and hit them with your face til they die
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ryoshinetteMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 488Arc User
Warlock can easily kill endboss in etos , a Combo with an OP does not need lots of skill or knowledge
Its doable with 2*2.5 GS by everyone
Solo eToS with GWF is another thing
And duoing eGWD as mentioned above with 2k is not possible for most player imo
I'm looking forward to see the vid of you do the same thing with same gear
Do what? Dealing damage being invulnerable 95%+ of the time? :P I dont think that requires a video to be believed. I have an OP too, using Shield of Faith, because bubble is so broken it brings boredom to dungeons and new people dont learn anything how to play properly - however when we take too many new to game people to eCC (setup is like: 1 dps + 3 new people + me on OP) and they die on last boss so only me + normal dps is alive I sometimes swap to bubble and duo this boss kinda easily - and we are talking about Traven compared to Syndrith here.
If you did it with a GF, or at least without bubble (Shield of Faith) - that would look much better, since you wouldnt be able to take 300-400k dmg in 5s (like you did, for example, around 50:00) and not react at all. Not to mention things like Scroll of Life in 47:22 (unless my eyes deceive me and that was something else?), stones of health on both you and OP (ok, lets say, they are legit, since unlike Scroll of Life they dont make you live as long as your wealth allows).
Ouch, I wanted to see how will you cope with the huge spider spawn at the end and now I see you havent actually killed her. Also, pretty impressive amount of damage taken after 56th minute, I havent even counted that :P
Huh, after reading this thread it looks like everybody acts as if you actually completed the run - am I watching wrong video or what?
Which gear? I cant see any gear in this vid. Did i miss that? And no need to proove anything. There are a lot Vids from duo runs ( eCC/eGWD/eTOS/VT/MC/Kessels). Its proven that OP ist op. So like i said: Another vid from a OP + another class doing eTOS. Im still not impressed. Sry. I hope this game isnt going to mod 5 kindergarden ....
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thefabricantMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 5,248Arc User
Which gear? I cant see any gear in this vid. Did i miss that? And no need to proove anything. There are a lot Vids from duo runs ( eCC/eGWD/eTOS/VT/MC/Kessels). Its proven that OP ist op. So like i said: Another vid from a OP + another class doing eTOS. Im still not impressed. Sry. I hope this game isnt going to mod 5 kindergarden ....
Yeah, the real challenging one to 2 man, even with an OP is eGWD. The last fight is still a hellish nightmare, due to all the CC. OP tank can still pull you through, it is a painful experience to endure though. It is the only dungeon I would be impressed by you doing a 2 man of.
I also do not wish to see this game revert to mod 5 in terms of difficulty, however I would not mind reverting to mod 5 in terms of content.
I did random runs pugging eToS and Traven Two man alive after short time warlock and OP and it is no real challenge zerging him down beging invulnerable, tbh its a nobrainer Please not more Videos, THX As I mentioned above eGWD is another story
Like I said crafting stories of what you did is simple, post it or it didnt happen. Im not going into these hate discussion cause it lost its creativity somewhere. Still 2k people read this thread and watched the vid. For BiS players maybe simple but for regular people this is some achievement, most of casual community can't do that or they didn't even approach. Its enough for me that some people got inspired and some people enjoyed it and the others learned something.
You know shcietindebux, posted on the thread of borrowed time and you didnt even move pinky to check, this is no brainer. mr. know it all syndrome. If you don't like it, close it noone forcing you to do so.
OK mate BT offhand feat works, it gives you 15%+ deflection on top at lev 4, resulting in 22%+ deflection all sparks up in my case the problem is on your side, standing in front of the dummy and being not aware that all sparks left you the moment you pop up the character sheed to check
The Thread about your Hellbringer, now SB?, warlock with about 2,5k GS that slaughteres BIS player in SH PVP , telling the warlocks that does not cheat to stop whinig because class is fine, is from same quality, enough thy I didn´t even watch the vid because its from no interest, sry for that
the bug about warlock bargain interfering with paladins aura, killing him somtimes or oneshotting him when critting , or killing player beside him is known, not new , and its caused by lol set as far as I know, take it off and will not occure any more some weapon enchants enforce this some don´t but a broken mechanic (aura from Op) or set doesn´t mean the class in a hole is overpowered, its a bug , nothing else and it should be fixed by fixing lol set or just delete that silly bonus and rework it sometimes I see >100k crits popping up meating a OP probabaly also an interference between aura of vengeance i guess OP is buggy as hell and warlock interferes with these bugs, buggy class buggy lolset= buggy oneshots or damageslopes btw some OP´s do know how to handle taht, so you only met someone that didn´t, lots of OP´s are not to kill by that bug
congratz for achievement, And I wonder if it would be possible do it again after Paladins get some nerfs.... as for peoples who afraid that content gets even harder should be ashamed. Hard stuffs makes game run, who need easy wins and easy dungeon clearing... I would even make mobs harder, give them some ability to cast really nasty CC or other stuffs :P
U cleared dungeon with paladin.. Now maybe clear dungeon with any other class in team??? No offense but we all know that paladin is freaky overpowered. about 4 days ago I where in party with 3 paladins during valindra, so I just watched, I didn't need to use my DC healing stuffs, and I didn't even use dodge, my HP almost didn't moved at all...
I hope in future to see how u with like GWF or CW clear dungeon or hardcore option duo SW. :P
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In the past we used to have the choice between normal and epic dongeons..
It should be logical today to have the choice between running dongeon in normal,epic or legendary mode...really dont understand the Dev on this.
Sadly, the end gaming for HL is really poor now.
Most people who can now clear Spider or ECC got their gear through exploits when Mod 6 first came out. Dont deny it.
but yes, is really, really necessary create some legendary dungeon or something like that for better geared people and that things.
I know some people liked mod 6 and i can appreciate that. However, the overwhelming response was negative.
Even with different tiers of dungeons, people will complain that they cant do the top dungeon and cant get the best gear. This is the result of 2 years of this game being that way.
I think adding content in the form of old dungeons will be a good step one...different tiers of dungeons..addig a third heroiic level beyond epic...would be good too. Just not sure if people will be able to accept that there is some content that they just might not be ready for.
.Suicide Squad.
Its doable with 2*2.5 GS by everyone
Solo eToS with GWF is another thing
And duoing eGWD as mentioned above with 2k is not possible for most player imo
If you did it with a GF, or at least without bubble (Shield of Faith) - that would look much better, since you wouldnt be able to take 300-400k dmg in 5s (like you did, for example, around 50:00) and not react at all. Not to mention things like Scroll of Life in 47:22 (unless my eyes deceive me and that was something else?), stones of health on both you and OP (ok, lets say, they are legit, since unlike Scroll of Life they dont make you live as long as your wealth allows).
Ouch, I wanted to see how will you cope with the huge spider spawn at the end and now I see you havent actually killed her. Also, pretty impressive amount of damage taken after 56th minute, I havent even counted that :P
Huh, after reading this thread it looks like everybody acts as if you actually completed the run - am I watching wrong video or what?
So like i said:
Another vid from a OP + another class doing eTOS. Im still not impressed. Sry.
I hope this game isnt going to mod 5 kindergarden ....
Yeah, the real challenging one to 2 man, even with an OP is eGWD. The last fight is still a hellish nightmare, due to all the CC. OP tank can still pull you through, it is a painful experience to endure though. It is the only dungeon I would be impressed by you doing a 2 man of.
I also do not wish to see this game revert to mod 5 in terms of difficulty, however I would not mind reverting to mod 5 in terms of content.
Two man alive after short time warlock and OP and it is no real challenge zerging him down beging invulnerable, tbh its a nobrainer
Please not more Videos, THX
As I mentioned above eGWD is another story
the problem is on your side, standing in front of the dummy and being not aware that all sparks left you the moment you pop up the character sheed to check
The Thread about your Hellbringer, now SB?, warlock with about 2,5k GS that slaughteres BIS player in SH PVP , telling the warlocks that does not cheat to stop whinig because class is fine, is from same quality, enough thy
I didn´t even watch the vid because its from no interest, sry for that
the bug about warlock bargain interfering with paladins aura, killing him somtimes or oneshotting him when critting , or killing player beside him is known, not new , and its caused by lol set as far as I know, take it off and will not occure any more
some weapon enchants enforce this some don´t
but a broken mechanic (aura from Op) or set doesn´t mean the class in a hole is overpowered, its a bug , nothing else
and it should be fixed by fixing lol set or just delete that silly bonus and rework it
sometimes I see >100k crits popping up meating a OP probabaly also an interference between aura of vengeance i guess
OP is buggy as hell and warlock interferes with these bugs, buggy class buggy lolset= buggy oneshots or damageslopes
btw some OP´s do know how to handle taht, so you only met someone that didn´t, lots of OP´s are not to kill by that bug
http://www.arcgames.com/en/forums/neverwinter#/discussion/1206337/yes-warlock-can-pvp-effectively-please-staph-this-warlock-cant-pvp-cries
as for peoples who afraid that content gets even harder should be ashamed. Hard stuffs makes game run, who need easy wins and easy dungeon clearing... I would even make mobs harder, give them some ability to cast really nasty CC or other stuffs :P
U cleared dungeon with paladin..
Now maybe clear dungeon with any other class in team???
No offense but we all know that paladin is freaky overpowered. about 4 days ago I where in party with 3 paladins during valindra, so I just watched, I didn't need to use my DC healing stuffs, and I didn't even use dodge, my HP almost didn't moved at all...
I hope in future to see how u with like GWF or CW clear dungeon or hardcore option duo SW. :P
“The masses have never thirsted after truth. Whoever can supply them with illusions is easily their master; whoever attempts to destroy their illusions is always their victim.
Gustave Le Bon.
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